prometheus110
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- Location
- La Ballena City Raft
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Those monsters!
Panopticon: A Game of Posthumans, Perniciousness, Paranoia, Politics, and Plasmaguns
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- He/Him
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF- JAMELIA BELLTOWER
I meant more along the lines of "Would they have wanted to summon EDEs?"
How much would Panopticon know about what Threat Null/Control intends, or what Threat Null got up to in Moscow?
Anyway, since no one actually has provided any way by which Donald might get in contact with Jamelia when she's cut off, isolated, and has no equipment with her (despite voting for it), I guess it falls to me.
[Donald - Correspondence + Primal Utility + Time- Activating the EMH-Strong plugin module for his phone, widesourced cloud computation reliably and accurately enforces the perfect transfer of information between two interested parties, including hidden and/or insider information. As he now knows her approximate location he can narrow down the search enough to make this doable in reasonable time. As the market is efficient, the software will find the nearest secure communications device which can take calls from the Syndicate's secret secure network piggybacked onto the UK's privatised telecommunications network. The Correspondence is making the link; the Primal Utility is a) helping aim for her, and b) acting as countermagic against any attempts to interfere with the transfer of information, whether by blocking it or attempting to intercept it, the Time is another "secure call" feature which makes sure the call doesn't get through at a "bad time" (ie, if someone else might pick up the nearest communications link first, or the ringing would give her away).]
o syndicate. things like this are things the hermetics are totally okay with, even as iteration x goes "omg no information transfer doesn't work like that'. and then the syndicate goes 'but we've proven that the efficient market hypothesis is impossible to falsify' and the iterators go '... then it's terrible science' and the syndicate goes 'u jelly?'.
[Donald - Correspondence + Primal Utility + Time- Activating the EMH-Strong plugin module for his phone, widesourced cloud computation reliably and accurately enforces the perfect transfer of information between two interested parties, including hidden and/or insider information. As he now knows her approximate location he can narrow down the search enough to make this doable in reasonable time. As the market is efficient, the software will find the nearest secure communications device which can take calls from the Syndicate's secret secure network piggybacked onto the UK's privatised telecommunications network. The Correspondence is making the link; the Primal Utility is a) helping aim for her, and b) acting as countermagic against any attempts to interfere with the transfer of information, whether by blocking it or attempting to intercept it, the Time is another "secure call" feature which makes sure the call doesn't get through at a "bad time" (ie, if someone else might pick up the nearest communications link first, or the ringing would give her away).]
o syndicate. things like this are things the hermetics are totally okay with, even as iteration x goes "omg no information transfer doesn't work like that'. and then the syndicate goes 'but we've proven that the efficient market hypothesis is impossible to falsify' and the iterators go '... then it's terrible science' and the syndicate goes 'u jelly?'.
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Quantumboost
Now with 50% more dots in Dimensional Science
- Location
- Ensemble Space
...Dangit Syndicate, stop being Etherites.
Are you critiquing my stunt, or just the existence of the ghosts in general? Donald doesn't even know that she's using Nazi ghosts yet, and his stunt doesn't have to reveal that info. When I wrote that, I figured he could basically point to the hospital and say "that sort of thing." I can add that detail, I suppose, if you think it needs to be explicit.
Depends. The Subjugation Corps sure aren't going to explain themselves at the Tribunal, so Jamelia can spin it however she wants. "I was fighting
Seriously, if Jamelia hasn't learned how to spin an after-action report after all this time when the other party isn't there to defend themselves, or is obviously keeping secrets and under suspicion, she's doing it wrong.
Incidentally,
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Sirrocco
Pedantic
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yeah... but it's going to take a bit more than that to keep things where the friendly VEs don't take political damage *either* - and where Threat Null isn't getting outed.
...although... honestly, if the leadership of the other conventions don't know about Threat Null yet, giving them reasons to suspect might be a Good Idea (as long as you can do it without releasing the information more broadly). The problem is, the VEs are currently losing the Hearts And Minds side of the war, and while they do have enough raw firepower to handle every last one of the other conventions, what they don't have is the infrastructure to support that firepower without support from those same conventions.
Yeah, you remember that bit where we're trying not to attract Void Engineer attention about knowing too much? You know how they already know we're at the very least peripherally involved in a TN Incursion? You know how the Union has access to Time 2 postcogs and giving them a reason to poke into what happened is a bad idea when your plan involves lying to them about the sequence of events and the entire situation is fishy?
I realise some people here appear to have gone punch drunk after Moscow and appear to think that calling in Shockwaves (and yes, "VEs plz bail us out" is the very definition of a Shockwave, because they're a way to access non-amalgam resources in emergency situations - and may I remind you, as per one of the earlier posts we have no Shockwave codes at the moment) is standard procedure, but may I remind you we got through the entire game up to calling in Cross without using one. Sometimes you just have to run away, alien though that may be to some people.
If you want to give the VEs a chance to clean up, then you produce a fake anonymous tip-off from a Sleeper proxy about strange lights seen near Shalebridge just after a bunch of police cars came screaming up the road. Or something.
... knowing the VEs, they'd probably show up, and then strip the place bare of Nazi and 1800s OOR gear and put it into service. And possibly try to recruit any surviving Nazi Technocrat Ghosts for the Posthuman Auxillary Corps.
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Death is an inconvenient now, Nothing more.
Honestly, I had assumed that the Subjugation Corps would sabotage any kind of psychometric reconstruction or Time 2 rote themselves. It's not like we're in any doubt that they can take the Nazi ghosts. But perhaps I was overly optimistic about their subtlety.
VanusDraco
Special Projects Division
- Location
- The Bottom Line
To be honest, i disagree here.
We WANT the Union as a whole to work together on something of this magnitude. We are waiting for the optimum time to have everyone on board to defend the earth. Cause we really, really don't want stupid stuff to happen like Vindictus vs Enforcers, that tend to happen when we have secret conspiracy within secret conspiracy.
The problem right now is the possibility of civil war if the VE come clean right now. That is why we need to get the ItX onboard. Outright civil war becomes impossibility with the ItX on our side.
The point of contention here is however Autocthon. The ItX wants to go back to it and reclaim the computer, but the VE are finding 101 excuses to not take them there. In the convention book, we got ItX stowing away in Void Ships trying to get there. we need to make them give-up their obsession with Friend Computer and Autocthon. But that is a very difficult task.
For the current situation, what do people think about generating sleeper police response ( and by that I mean a full scale response , not two cops in a car that will get vaporized with a single plasma shot)? The thing against that course of action would be basically we are sending them to their death. But on the flip side. It generate chaos with which we can use to slip away. It alert the union and 'VE of this situation. And it sorta expose the residents shenanigans to union scrutiny. (So why is the london counter terrorism task force trying to kill a senior nwo Operative? )
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Still kind of shaky about the Syndicate paradigm but would something like the below work as an elaboration?:
In order to monitor and control the flow of money in the market, the Syndicate arranged for the implantation of hidden wireless tracking devices to be incorporated into the anti-counterfeiting process for money. Some NWO spook pointed out that if they were going to include a wireless transmitter they should add a camera and microphone for surveillance. Things snowballed from there and now every note contains a flexible circuit board that can act as a phone with the right access codes.
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huh, under that model the ability to use money for cloud computing processing also makes sense for what you mentioned in the beginning. Not to mention the Syndicate owning the proprietary techniques for being able to cannibalize large amounts of money for the minute amount of Primal Energy invested in each one.
Mostly though, I just find the mental image of Jamelia's wallet vibrating and having to talk into a bill far too amusing
The problem is we want to ease the leadership into it, dropping subtle hints so they actually get in touch with each other and work out their common foes.
Escalating to a general clusterfuck is the opposite of subtle hints.
Maybe if you pulled in OTHER elements of Threat Null(like say the ones who want to convert Jamelia getting pissy over these trying to kill her) and got them to fight each other.
... but why would you do that when he's already making the nearest phone to her ring (or in this case, happening to communicate directly with that Nazi radio she's picked up)? Not least because "using money as a phone" is both "jokes about the Syndicate paradigm" material, and likely to be vulgar because no one believes you can use money as a phone.
Drakeneisen
Rogue Scientist
Well, lying to our superiors is something that we're going to have to do eventually, unless they never ask the right questions, or we just want to blow the whole Threat Null issue wide open. Thus, I propose:
Jamelia: Time 2 Entropy 3. Everything you do on an operation leave evidence. Evidence of what happened, evidence of who you are, even evidence of what mood you were in that day. A well trained operative can read that evidence and reconstruct past events with amazing accuracy. A better trained operative can leave only the evidence that she wants to leave. By avoiding zones of clear surveillance, policing forensics and altering her methodology by just enough, Jamelia can make any future reconstruction of events impossible.
Which is, I note, already covered by this;
"[Jamelia - Entropy + Life + Forces + Mind + Correspondence + Time - This is an old rotten building filled with anomalous signatures from the exhumans and living signatures from all the moss and plants, and these are clumping brutes in power armour. Jamelia, by contrast, is the most highly trained motherfucker in the area, not wearing heavy armour, and able to move in completely unpredictable ways. Builds off her natural Cloaking and stealth skills to penalise any attempt to detect her.
Enhanced by Dex + Stealth, and she's spending Willpower and Primal Energy on the spell roll.]"
It's just relying on it isn't a good idea, because, you know... extended rolls are a thing. The advantage lies in the hands of the determined investigator if they have a reason to look. And hence giving them a reason to look is a bad idea.
Bursting Eagerness Soul
Threadwalking Rating Machine
- Location
- Wisconsin
This is at least somewhat viable. Any alerting that we want to do should be through indirect sources like this. We don't want to go screaming to ItX about rogue VEs, because that itself will kick off a civil war, not do anything to get them to work together.
Kerrus
Fractal Insanity
These guys aren't enlightened personnel, which means while they have whatever local static jamming devices, they aren't adaptable. They didn't come to this fight expecting a newly rechristened psychic operative. With Dsci, or Spirit, Jamelia can make contact, and get the attention of spirits, encourage them to do things in exchange by appealing to them, offering them stuff.
So I'm thinking that she's under attack by a retrofitted VE saucer that looks like it's out of the eighties, and she's surrounded by Nazi hypertech from the 40's, which is like 80's hypertech more than anything she's familiar with. Her phone is jammed, while she might get a local call out, something reaching Kessler is probably not happening.
But those are just her normal routes of communication. With Dsci, however, she can maybe get something through.
This would be a Dsci 1/Corr 2/Mind 2 effect, she bribes a spirit to go find Kesser/get her attention. For in theme, maybe she finds some of the hitler youth that might have accompanied the nazi's, and on the one hand they're thoroughly indoctrinated, and on the other one of them just wants to go home. So she plays on that, talks to it and convinces it that it can go home, if only it will do a favour for her and find Kessler.
So it runs off, does that, gets his attention, and puts him in contact with her. While arriving on scene may not be plausible, having a running commentary on eighties and forties hypertech would give Jamelia an excellent benefit, letting her more accurately base her effects because she knows about specific strengths and weaknesses, and little details that might otherwise elude her notice.
So I'm thinking that she's under attack by a retrofitted VE saucer that looks like it's out of the eighties, and she's surrounded by Nazi hypertech from the 40's, which is like 80's hypertech more than anything she's familiar with. Her phone is jammed, while she might get a local call out, something reaching Kessler is probably not happening.
But those are just her normal routes of communication. With Dsci, however, she can maybe get something through.
This would be a Dsci 1/Corr 2/Mind 2 effect, she bribes a spirit to go find Kesser/get her attention. For in theme, maybe she finds some of the hitler youth that might have accompanied the nazi's, and on the one hand they're thoroughly indoctrinated, and on the other one of them just wants to go home. So she plays on that, talks to it and convinces it that it can go home, if only it will do a favour for her and find Kessler.
So it runs off, does that, gets his attention, and puts him in contact with her. While arriving on scene may not be plausible, having a running commentary on eighties and forties hypertech would give Jamelia an excellent benefit, letting her more accurately base her effects because she knows about specific strengths and weaknesses, and little details that might otherwise elude her notice.
Aleph
Princess of Stabbity
- Location
- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
- Pronouns
- She/Her
For everyone planning how to call in SHOCKWAVE code equivalents on the Subjugation Corps, I'd really like to know your reasoning behind it. We don't need to beat them. We don't even need to deal with them. We certainly don't need to use them to spark Technocrat leadership into finding out about Threat Null. We can do that ourselves, later, in a more sedate way where we can control the flow of information, and there's no crazy EDE platoon who might fuck it up and spark WW3 without us being able to stop it - I will remind you that half the reason the VEs haven't just come clean is because many Technocrats still have Conditioning, which the Subjugation Corps may well have access to.
We are already halfway out of this. The Subjugation Corps is distracted with Nazi ghost ape Technocrats and we're the stealthiest motherfuckers in the building, we can just waltz out the back door and leave them to it. We do not need to fix absolutely everything. If these are EDEs, considerable resources were spent on getting them here, and they will soon have to leave. If they're not, they've presumably been here for a while without making any massive waves, and will go back to staying low-cover once they find they've utterly failed at pinning us down and murdering us. We are still on the clock for our brains melting, and do not want to agitate an extremely delicate situation any further.
The fight is taking place in an abandoned building in the middle of nowhere. We do not particularly care if the Nazi ghost ape Technocrats get mowed down (again) as long as they buy us time to get away. The Subjugation Corps are not so stupid that they are immediately thereafter going to move over the nearest population centre and start raining down nukes, since that definitely would get them noticed by Technocrat leadership and murdered.
Buffing the Nazis and turning them on the Corps is enough to keep them occupied. All we have to do now is leave.
We are already halfway out of this. The Subjugation Corps is distracted with Nazi ghost ape Technocrats and we're the stealthiest motherfuckers in the building, we can just waltz out the back door and leave them to it. We do not need to fix absolutely everything. If these are EDEs, considerable resources were spent on getting them here, and they will soon have to leave. If they're not, they've presumably been here for a while without making any massive waves, and will go back to staying low-cover once they find they've utterly failed at pinning us down and murdering us. We are still on the clock for our brains melting, and do not want to agitate an extremely delicate situation any further.
The fight is taking place in an abandoned building in the middle of nowhere. We do not particularly care if the Nazi ghost ape Technocrats get mowed down (again) as long as they buy us time to get away. The Subjugation Corps are not so stupid that they are immediately thereafter going to move over the nearest population centre and start raining down nukes, since that definitely would get them noticed by Technocrat leadership and murdered.
Buffing the Nazis and turning them on the Corps is enough to keep them occupied. All we have to do now is leave.
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Amorous Intent
Love the future
- Location
- Octavia, Venus
- Pronouns
- She/her
[1] Lots of Ghosts Between You And The Enemy
[2] An Escape Route
[3] Heavy Weapons (capable of hurting power armor without aimed shots)
[4] Body Armor
[5] A Defensible Position
[X] Wisdom
[X] Plan EarthScorpion
Now, this is the really clever part. We don't fucking blow shockwave codes we don't have and draw attention on us. We want to keep this whole problem as quiet as possible, just like we set out to do from the beginning. The fewer excuses we have to make to Command about what we were doing when we were supposed to be convalescing, the better. Trying to lie to Command and cover shit up is even worse. If we just stroll right the fuck out of there, it looks like the VEs did a failed raid on an old museum to clear out the EDEs. If we start calling in outside assets, Command will find out we're AWOL. So let's not do that and simply use the incredible distraction we already have right there to get away.
Stop trying to put us in deeper shit with the Tribunal than we already are.
[2] An Escape Route
[3] Heavy Weapons (capable of hurting power armor without aimed shots)
[4] Body Armor
[5] A Defensible Position
[X] Wisdom
[X] Plan EarthScorpion
Hey guys, I have a better idea. Why don't we use our newfound DSci to coax the dead Nazis into fighting the Subjugators to create a red-on-red distraction? Then we can make like Garrett and ghost the fuck out of Shalebridge Cradle.
Now, this is the really clever part. We don't fucking blow shockwave codes we don't have and draw attention on us. We want to keep this whole problem as quiet as possible, just like we set out to do from the beginning. The fewer excuses we have to make to Command about what we were doing when we were supposed to be convalescing, the better. Trying to lie to Command and cover shit up is even worse. If we just stroll right the fuck out of there, it looks like the VEs did a failed raid on an old museum to clear out the EDEs. If we start calling in outside assets, Command will find out we're AWOL. So let's not do that and simply use the incredible distraction we already have right there to get away.
Stop trying to put us in deeper shit with the Tribunal than we already are.
FourthWall
May The Sun Never Blind Your Eyes
- Location
- Chiraq
Jamelia Modo:
1. Escape Route
2. Lots of Ghosts
3. Heavy Weapons
4. Defensible Position
5. Body Armor
Remember what I said about running like a bitch being the better part of valor? Yeah, now is the time for that. The more we can throw chaff between them and her, the better.
Sentex's Deathday Present:
[X] Wisdom
The twisted undead Chakravanti bastard didn't just teach us how WTF oMage's background fluff is, but how to put that knowledge to good use. Thus, wisdom.
Donald and the Moeblobs Modo:
[X] Just get there A$AP like Rocky and Ferg.
We could come up with a Correspondence+Time effect from Doshman so we get there exactly in the nick of time at the exact spot Jamelia needs us because of good GPS software or something, but I'm not good at coming up with bullshit for coincidental spells.
1. Escape Route
2. Lots of Ghosts
3. Heavy Weapons
4. Defensible Position
5. Body Armor
Remember what I said about running like a bitch being the better part of valor? Yeah, now is the time for that. The more we can throw chaff between them and her, the better.
Sentex's Deathday Present:
[X] Wisdom
The twisted undead Chakravanti bastard didn't just teach us how WTF oMage's background fluff is, but how to put that knowledge to good use. Thus, wisdom.
Donald and the Moeblobs Modo:
[X] Just get there A$AP like Rocky and Ferg.
We could come up with a Correspondence+Time effect from Doshman so we get there exactly in the nick of time at the exact spot Jamelia needs us because of good GPS software or something, but I'm not good at coming up with bullshit for coincidental spells.
Quantumboost
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- Location
- Ensemble Space
Okay, need to point this out: DimSci 1 doesn't actually enable you do those things. It's used to perceive extradimensional space and EDEs, it does not actually allow you to influence or contact those things in and of itself. For that you need DimSci 2, or doing something that doesn't strictly require DimSci Ranks in the first place (e.g. talking to ghosts via saying words with your mouth).