Nanami would love to copy the abilities of most of those people. Hamon is pretty nice, especially for a person perpetually ill.

Pretty sure you can only copy Hamon though, out of those things.

Having a Stand, being a cyborg, and not being a human don't really constitute 'techniques' in that sense. You could copy Spin, but nobody has it.

Hamon is the really important one for you though. :V
 
Pretty sure you can only copy Hamon though, out of those things.

Having a Stand, being a cyborg, and not being a human don't really constitute 'techniques' in that sense. You could copy Spin, but nobody has it.

Hamon is the really important one for you though. :V
She should be able to grab some stuff from the Lady Pillar Man as well. Even things that are inborn, unique traits, so long as they are techniques, can be copied. So, Body manipulation and frost mode may be able to be copied, and stuff like that. Though, just because of how broken that actually is, I'd probably have to achieve a goal to get it. Honestly, I could probably make an argument for her being able to copy Stands, if she could see them, at least, but that would be so broken that I'll probably just leave it alone.

Though the really interesting things to copy would probably come from servants. All those weapons skills.
 
She should be able to grab some stuff from the Lady Pillar Man as well. Even things that are inborn, unique traits, so long as they are techniques, can be copied. So, Body manipulation and frost mode may be able to be copied, and stuff like that. Though, just because of how broken that actually is, I'd probably have to achieve a goal to get it. Honestly, I could probably make an argument for her being able to copy Stands, if she could see them, at least, but that would be so broken that I'll probably just leave it alone.

That... doesn't really make sense.

Closest that would get to working is like turning yourself into a vampire or something, and that still doesn't let you accomplish anything but the most basic of basics because pillar men are really, truly, fundamentally not like humans. They look like them, yes. But their biology is so insanely different that it wouldn't work. It's not like they run on ki magic or something. It's their biology.

It would make exactly as much sense as looking at Stroheim and suddenly having cyborg parts from nothing.

And Stands are generally unique to the user's mind. Because they are the users soul, pretty much.

I have a theory that if DIO had ever fully healed from taking Jonathan's body, he would have lost Hermit Purple#2. Because Jonathan is no longer there.

Copying Hamon makes sense. Copying magecraft makes sense. Copying some other characters martial arts makes sense.

Looking at Saber and suddenly growing an Excalibur out of your palm does not make sense. Prana Burst, however...
 
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@notmi
What can you not copy? What are the Eye's limits? Could you duplicate Garrett's Focus, despite Focus coming directly from a magic rock's fragments only he and two other people have? Could you duplicate a physical technique that requires a physique beyond what Nanami has?
 
That... doesn't really make sense.

Closest that would get to working is like turning yourself into a vampire or something, and that still doesn't let you accomplish anything but the most basic of basics because pillar men are really, truly, fundamentally not like humans. They look like them, yes. But their biology is so insanely different that it wouldn't work. It's not like they run on ki magic or something. It's their biology.

It would make exactly as much sense as looking at Stroheim and suddenly having cyborg parts from nothing.

And Stands are generally unique to the user's mind. Because they are the users soul, pretty much.

I have a theory that if DIO had ever fully healed from taking Jonathan's body, he would have lost Hermit Purple#2. Because Jonathan is no longer there.

Copying Hamon makes sense. Copying magecraft makes sense. Copying some other characters martial arts makes sense.

Looking at Saber and suddenly growing an Excalibur out of your palm does not make sense.

It's kind of difficult to explain, and my knowledge of Jojo is rather sketchy, so it's entirely possible I'm 100% wrong. I probably wouldn't push it anyway, because I want it to remain at least somewhat not broken. But in the show, she copies the abilities of a clan of people who seem to just be naturally stronger than everyone else. Of course, she does it by killing the entire clan, and pretty much everything in the series counts as a technique, so it could just be that this was uniquely not named as a technique by accident.

@notmi
What can you not copy? What are the Eye's limits? Could you duplicate Garrett's Focus, despite Focus coming directly from a magic rock's fragments only he and two other people have? Could you duplicate a physical technique that requires a physique beyond what Nanami has?
Eh like I said before, pretty much anything that counts as a technique. If it can be practiced and improved, I'd consider it a technique. Considering the focus comes from something outside of the person, it couldn't be copied. Really, copying the Pillar man stuff is stretching things a bit, and as said, not something I'd make a fuss about if it was denied, even is there is support for it.
 
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I think they mean more in the vein of Knight of Honor ripoff dependent on seeing the Phantasms in use. As for Diego his particular Stand is dependent on having Jesus' eye in his possession. So I kinda doubt it's doable. I'd guess trying to copy the pillar lady ends with the character losing limbs to frost bite as they don't have the proper physiology to survive the cold. Also the sickness seems to gimp her heavily, also means Magecraft probably isn't a good idea for her.
 
It's kind of difficult to explain, and my knowledge of Jojo is rather sketchy, so it's entirely possible I'm 100% wrong. I probably wouldn't push it anyway, because I want it to remain at least somewhat not broken. But in the show, she copies the abilities of a clan of people who seem to just be naturally stronger than everyone else. Of course, she does it by killing the entire clan, and pretty much everything in the series counts as a technique, it could just be that this was uniquely not named as a technique by accident.

Were they humans? By the series own internal logic, were they human beings? Because if so, that would seem like she copied either their secret technique, or artifically started doing the same thing with her own wuxia energy (I saw like two episodes of the show she's from years ago, it was wuxia) that they do naturally.

Not, like, she saw a bird and grew wings. That's what copying pillar men abilities is like.

I distantly recall her being trapped on an island with wildlife on it until she learned the skating on water techniqie, so clearly she can't copy flight from birds.

Eh like I said before, pretty much anything that counts as a technique. If it can be practiced and improved, I'd consider it a technique. Considering the focus comes from something outside of the person, it couldn't be copied. Really, copying the Pillar man stuff is stretching things a bit, and as said, not something I'd make a fuss about if it was denied, even is there is support for it.

Diego's Stand comes from a Corpse Part, so that's probably a definitive no for him, at least.
 
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We're they humans? By the series own internal logic, were they human beings? Because if so, that would seem like she copied either their secret technique, or artifically started doing the same thing with her own wuxia energy (I saw like two episodes of the show she's from years ago, it was wuxia) that they do naturally.

Not, like, she saw a bird and grew wings. That's what copying pillar men abilities is like.



Diego's Stand comes from a Corpse Part, so that's probably a definitive no for him, at least.
You're probably right, and I really don't feel the ability needs to be buffed any, so I'm not going to try and argue it.
I think they mean more in the vein of Knight of Honor ripoff dependent on seeing the Phantasms in use. As for Diego his particular Stand is dependent on having Jesus' eye in his possession. So I kinda doubt it's doable. I'd guess trying to copy the pillar lady ends with the character losing limbs to frost bite as they don't have the proper physiology to survive the cold. Also the sickness seems to gimp her heavily, also means Magecraft probably isn't a good idea for her.
She pretty definite could copy magecraft, as she copies some group's "necromancy" in the show, but unless we're going with an "all magic is the same magic", she has no magic circuits, I'd think.
 
You're probably right, and I really don't feel the ability needs to be buffed any, so I'm not going to try and argue it.

She pretty definite could copy magecraft, as she copies some group's "necromancy" in the show, but unless we're going with an "all magic is the same magic", she has no magic circuits, I'd think.
I said not a good idea, not uncopyable. Nasu Magecraft isn't a good idea for those with weak constitutions if I recall correctly.

Edit: Also I look forward to the fun times when the source of Diego's powers comes out.
 
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I said not a good idea, not uncopyable. Nasu Magecraft isn't a good idea for those with weak constitutions if I recall correctly.

Edit: Also I look forward to the fun times when the source of Diego's powers comes out.
Only in some circumstances. It's mostly "constitution" as in how much one's circuits and flow prana reliably. Take Ilya for example. Weak body, ridiculous magical capacity.

@Wade Garrett
Do you have any comments for the sheet I put up?
 
@Unlucky Bibliophile
Does Joseph have the Red Stone of Aja with him still? I know in at least one fighting game he uses it to fire lasers at people.

@notmi
Since we were talking about Stands and copying them...

Stand: Empty Eyes
User: Nanami Yasuri
Statistics-
Destructive Power: None
Speed: D
Range: A
Durability: C
Precision: C
Developmental Potential: Infinite

Description: Empty Eyes takes the form of two separate metallic eyes, each about twice the size of normal human eyes. The 'eyes' can fly anywhere within their exceptionally large range, and the user can direct them separately to view multiple things. If either eye sees another Stand use an ability that does not come from their basic statistics, Empty Eyes will permanently learn that ability. If both eyes view it in action, they will learn and improve upon it. While the Stand can never attack directly, and does not grant the user the ability to do so, if it learns an offensive ability(Ex. Purple Haze's virus shots, or Magicians Red pyromancy) this way, it can use that to attack with the same power or greater as the original Stand. Due to merely being a set of eyes, the only part that damage can transfer to are the users eyes.

...How about a Stand that copies Stands? :V

While this thing isn't that bad to deal with if you catch it early(lack of good statistics means most combat Stands can just destroy it and be done), it becomes an absolute nightmare if you leave it to sit too long. Eventually it would end up copying powers that prevent the Stand from being damaged(such as Yellow Temperance), or allow it to move at extremely high speeds in a way that doesn't acknowledge ones basic statistics(Hanged Man). Then starting with Part 4, when the abilities start becoming stranger, and weird abilities that don't have a lot to do with the Stands physical appearance become the norm, it becomes truly horrible to handle. Of course, the fewer Stands that are around, the less troublesome this thing is.
 
Would probably only be one Eye barring shenanigans. I'm coming in with just the one and the nice men in black from the Americans probably won't be bringing the rest of the Corpse if it even exists in this iteration.
 
@Unlucky Bibliophile
Does Joseph have the Red Stone of Aja with him still? I know in at least one fighting game he uses it to fire lasers at people.

Interesting question. I was thinking about getting it as one of my unlockables later on, but having it early could even things out a little. It's not like Joseph could use it for anything else than a glorified laser point. Though its biggest advantage seems to be amplifying pure Hamon into a long-range attack.
 
Only in some circumstances. It's mostly "constitution" as in how much one's circuits and flow prana reliably. Take Ilya for example. Weak body, ridiculous magical capacity.

@Wade Garrett
Do you have any comments for the sheet I put up?

To be honest, "The Undying" looks like it has little potential for interactions with other players or characters that aren't "RAAAARRR! Zombie-Hulk SMASH!" I can't really say I'm too fond of it.
 
@joebobjoe

"You thought it was DIO, but it was I, Star-Lord Raptor Jesus!"

Scary Monsters needs to have some limits put on its usage. Enough Dragon Tooth warriors can overwhelm a Servant, and "Every non-Magus/similarly resistant" human being in Romania (and then, ALL OF EUROPE!) Counts as enough.

Either limit how many transformations Diego can do per day or cap the max number of Raptors his Stand can create.
 
@joebobjoe

"You thought it was DIO, but it was I, Star-Lord Raptor Jesus!"

Scary Monsters needs to have some limits put on its usage. Enough Dragon Tooth warriors can overwhelm a Servant, and "Every non-Magus/similarly resistant" human being in Romania (and then, ALL OF EUROPE!) Counts as enough.

Either limit how many transformations Diego can do per day or cap the max number of Raptors his Stand can create.
I'd say something along the lines of proximity, maybe a couple blocks at best since he doesn't do really long range raptors, whenever they're around he's generally lurking close by. They also revert if he's defeated, aren't nearly as good at coordinating as the warriors (their only group tactics are swarming and marking prey) and requires contact. Also once more Diego's is singular, he was a Scary Monster made by the stand Scary Monsters. Also Diego isn't likely to just go raptor apocalypse, generally he uses livestock instead of humans, rats and other such things especially (is there a local zoo by any chance?), has to do things personally unlike Ferdinand, and will be trying to conceal the nature and extent of his abilities.
 
I'd say something along the lines of proximity, maybe a couple blocks at best since he doesn't do really long range raptors, whenever they're around he's generally lurking close by. They also revert if he's defeated, aren't nearly as good at coordinating as the warriors (their only group tactics are swarming and marking prey) and requires contact. Also once more Diego's is singular, he was a Scary Monster made by the stand Scary Monsters. Also Diego isn't likely to just go raptor apocalypse, generally he uses livestock instead of humans, rats and other such things especially (is there a local zoo by any chance?), has to do things personally unlike Ferdinand, and will be trying to conceal the nature and extent of his abilities.

Ummm...."Diego can transform the entire biosphere for the radius of a city block into Raptors"....um...I think one of us is failing to communicate with the other. :D

@Wade Garrett

Should I put a limit on Helena's time stop or are we working on the honor system for that?

How does nine seconds sound?
 
To be honest, "The Undying" looks like it has little potential for interactions with other players or characters that aren't "RAAAARRR! Zombie-Hulk SMASH!" I can't really say I'm too fond of it.
Yeah lol the side effect of being Spartacus's undead cousin is that he is just as a block headed as good old Spartacus.

To be honest I intended Undying to fuse with Spartacus during his one man rampage for them to both turn into a mountain sized flesh monster to suicide into Yggdmillennia while screaming about oppression.
 
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Strange Fake is okay imo, it's utterly ridiculous with an American fanatic wanting to uphold American ideals and justice leading a police force armed with fake noble phantasms on top of having the most insanely powerful servants(Gilgamesh, Enkidu, possibly Esau who is currently fighting Gil and countering sword spam with regular arrows when even Heracles couldn't do that, and possibly a genderbent Jacob), the manifestation of Death and disease, and so on. But the more retardedly extreme the more amusing.

Oh, and Fake servants will be summoned with True servant counterparts.


In no particular order:

1. Orlando Reeve is a true patriot, upholding the great American tradition of sucking up to the French and throwing others into a meat grinder pioneered by George Washington

2. As someone who is familiar with the Old Testament, True Archer & True Rider being Esau & Jacob is just "WHAT! WHY! NO!"

Jacob should be an intrigue/deception oriented Assassin or Caster, and while I suppose you could make a case for Archer Esau (the Bible mentions him being a great hunter & outdoorsman) putting him on the level of Gil "See that Bull of Heaven, Enkidu? Imma wrassle it!" is just (and this is coming from someone with a Saber Apostle Peter with an A+ Conceptual Ancestor of all Black Keys Noble Phantasm sheet squirreled away) Bible wank.

Lastly, all I need to know about Fate: Grand Order is that the protagonist can have a Berserker Servant, and that said Servant is Iskander's ETERNAL RIVAL BROFIST OF DESTINY YEAAAAH!
 
Yeeeeeah. If I do end up dragging FINAL out of it's grave, the True Servants are something I'm unlikelye to include.
 
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