We'd still need to suddenly start critsucceeding diplomancy, though.
Meguca Micro Empire Quest (PMMM)
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Sure, but only once, not the half dozen times a grand alliance will need.
If Homura doesn't work, try Hortence, if she doesn't work try the Grand Alliance to get Kesi, if that falls through contact Serena.
Hmm I'm sure at some point I had a reason, but now I have no idea whatsoever. I'll go edit that out.
I'm probably going to just simplify to something like 125/person for apartments and 160/person for house. Though admittedly you've made me less sure that homes are more expensive then apartments, but it still seems very reasonable to me since it's my experience in my area and if anything I'd expect that to be amplified in Japan where land prices are higher. I mean houses have yards and occupy the land solely to themselves whereas apartments are generally part of a multi-floor structure so use less land. Partly though it's a game balance consideration as well. You can get away with more in a house than apartment.
Meguca cost I might lower to 1 vet flat for up to 20 capacity of housing. Since much of the time costs are flat whether you get one or a couple apartments.
Serena would be sad to be dismissed by everyone as the worst possible option. I mean she is a possible option.
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We need a solid plan for dealing with the aftermath no matter what. Kesi is just the only one where the requirement is explicit.
I'm sure she's a nice person and would like to help, but dealing with the side effects of her power would be such a pain.
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Going to just accept Kinematic's hunting plan because I can't afford this week to spend time double checking, or trying to refine (besides he's almost always correct anyway).
Have a different plan for the rest.
[X] Elder Haman's Plan
Hunting (1.5 elite, 14.5 vets)
Net harvest: 88.5 cubes
Support (1 elite, 6.5 vets)
Jobs (12 vets, 7 greens, 1 associate)
Christmas Party (2 vets, $2000)
Spending time together: With the growth of the organization, Mami has ended up a little distant from a lot of the newer recruits. Spend some time just getting close to everyone again, especially the newer girls, and Seto's group. Ground yourself in the touchstone of these girls' lives and needs and hopes and dreams. Every one of them is important; remember that.
Cost: 0.5 Mami
Research (8 vets, 5 cubes, $3200)
Tandem Casting, Fusion: Allows dissimilar abilities to be combined to produce more exotic results.
Cost: 3 Veteran, 3 grief cubes; Chance of Success: 5% +5% per month researched
Month 2
Telepathic Defenses: Attempt to develop means of protecting the mind against telepathy.
Cost: 2 vets (including Taura), 1 month repeatable. Chance of Success: Poor
Month 2
Effects of Enchanting on Technology: You already know at a basic level that enchanting boosts the properties of a material, but it's less clear how it affects something that's far more complex than its individual materials belie. You really aren't sure how this will turn out. (Be sure to test recording Kaoru's song on an mp3 player as one of the scenarios.)
Cost: 2 months of 2 Veteran Meguca, 2 grief cubes, $1000; Chance of Success: 80%; Reward: Some knowledge of how magic and technology interact.
Improve duration/spell anchoring project: Constructing a holder to keep charms in the correct orientation when stored inside a thermos, dipping the charms in polyurethane before placing them in the thermos. Layering thermoses. Placing the thermos inside a large cooler. Purchase a cyroshipper and determine how much longer storing them inside adds to the long term storage life (goal is at least 24 hours) - note to test using non-destructive spells (like healing).
Cost: 1 Vet, $2200 (to purchase two 10L cyroshippers able to hold at least 200 charms, plus additional materials).
Special Delivery Boxes: Work with Akeno to create inertia-dampened enchantments for the delivery boxes on the mopeds. Insulation techniques supported by maintaining the spell by the magical girls during the deliveries.
Cost: Spin off of insulation research
Training (1 elite, 4.5 vets, 2 greens, 0.2 cubes)
General training - With the new recruits, you need some time to get them all up to speed on your procedures and tactics.
Cost: 1 vet, 2 greens. 3 months.
Tandem Casting Training: Now that you've deciphered how to combine two girls magic for greater effect they have to be taught it.
Cost: 1 Veteran per 4 girls trained in the task.
- Teleporter: 4 (Seto + other)
- Stealth: 2 (Kyouko + other)
- Clairvoyant: 2 (Taya + other)
- Barrier: 5
- 1.0 elite = Taya, Kyouko, 2x Seto participation (mitigate penalty for training in nomadic area)
- 2.5 vets
Create Charms: (x33 tandem charms): (0.5 vet, 0.2 cubes) The girls already trained in tandem casting go along to the nomadic area to create tandem cast charms. Create and store 17 tandem barrier charms, and 16 tandem healing charms.
Cost: 0.2 cubes and 0.5 vets (of specific specialty) per 100 normal charms, x3 for tandem charms
Diplomacy (1 elite, 5.5 vets)
Gossipmonger/IntelOps (1 vet) - Keep up general communication with all neighbors we've opened formal relations with, for light upkeep and general gossip and news. Should generally be keeping up with each other group on a weekly basis.
Currently covering areas: 1/2/11/18, 3, 13, 14, 15, 16, Nagoya
-- Express our deep concern about the Tokyo situation, and our belief that we need to cooperate to handle the situation effectively.
Open Relations: Kofu. 0.5 elite (Taya, Mami), 1 vets (should allow for 4 vets and 2 elites to spend 1/4th of their time this month in Kofu).
Trade deal (Coalition): (1 vet) We would like to discuss trading terms for cubes and money as well as research information. We are aware of their Tandem Casting ability and have developed our own form, offer to exchange notes on it. Other things we can offer include training on our hunting techniques. Offer two forms of this: First is to hire 2 vets worth of girls (this might mean 4 vets for half the month) to hunt with us in our territory (in pairs or packs - we can promise they will not hunt solo) next month at a pay rate of 4 cubes per a girl. Second is to send 2 vets worth of our girls to their area to help them plan and organize their hunting to more closely match our productivity.
Trade deal (Area 15/16): (1 vet) We would like more information about Tokyo and their interactions with class 3 demons and magical girls from Tokyo. We are concerned about the Tokyo situation, and need more information to figure out how to prevent it from becoming another Hong Kong. We are interested in boundaries, contacts with girls inside the city, information on class 3 demon behavior. Something we can offer would be an agreement to take in a certain number of magical girl refugees (thus relieving them of some of the pressure for fighting). We are interested in prices for cubes/money as well.
Trade Deal (Areas 14): (0.5 vet) We would like the information in the welcome packet that Nagoya gives out to new vassals. We would also like to discuss terms for trading cubes and money.
Trade Deal (Areas 13): (0.5 vet) We would like to discuss terms for trading money and cubes.
Trade deal (Nagoya): (0 meguca) Trade negotiations with Nagoya over cubes for money. (Approach at the end of the month after getting a feeling for the valuation in the other local areas).
Information exchange (Nagoya): (0.5 vet, 0.5 elite) Hold discussions with Nagoya over the rumors of them trying to clean up Tokyo. Explain that we'd be interested in helping, though we'd need info on how they go about it, and how we might apply our own skills to the matter. Also, ask to be allowed to send a representative on their next Tokyo expedition to observe, or even assist if they wish it. (Send 0.5 Kyouclone). Suggest that it appears to us that solving the Tokyo matter will require widespread cooperation among most of the large magical girl organizations in Japan. Ask for contact information for any additional large meguca organizations in Japan that they know of.
Feeler towards Serena Pantano: (Free, basically Mami and Hainako making a phone call). Mami has learned about Serena from Kyubey, and perceives that she is one of the possible solutions to the Tokyo problem. Mami decides to call her and feel her out about the possbility of her clearing Tokyo of class 3 demons:
- introduction, pleasantries, and description of the Tokyo class 3 demon problem
- would Serena be interested in clearing out Tokyo, and what kind of support would she need (ie financial, etc)
- what precautions would Serena recommend about minimizing the effect of her aura while in Tokyo
- would Serena be interested in a long term retainer?
-- secluded housing
-- monthly grief cube upkeep for her and the girls with her
-- possibility of combining soul anchor technology with her ability to provide medicine to girls that are grief spiraling. (Stress this would probably take some research).
- what else does Serena want? Does she have something different in mind?
- end call with gratitude for her time, and the resolution that we will consider her price and see if we can make something work. We will probably have to talk a lot more to work out an actual deal.
Purchases (2.5 vet, $9,600, 2 cubes)
Mopeds for delivery service: $1200 each, $50/month upkeep. x3
Kyouko's family church (1 vet, $1000, 2 cubes): Begin negotiating the purchase of the Sakura church. Target price $500,000 with 20% down ($100,000). New upkeep (predicted): $3,500. Get a professional evaluation of the property, including all needed repairs, and the specific remodeling for a large gym, dormitory, large meeting hall, and large commercial kitchen. (Cost for initial earnest money and inspection $1,000.) Pay Kyubey to help create paperwork and cover.
Actual purchase assumes we complete a trade with other groups for at least $35,000, expect to financially complete that deal next month.
Search for secluded Real Estate: (look in the nomadic region, and also near the Aokigahara forest). 0.5 vet, Requirements: Must be at least 1 kilometer away from populated areas, must have existing house or complex that can be rented. Must have internet connection. Must have a location at 1 kilometer distance suitable for drop off deliveries to be made and then picked up. Must be nice and well maintained. Must have space for a large number of girls.
Having heard about the different magical girls that can handle the class 3 demon menace in Tokyo. One of the possibilities is Serena Pantano, however her ability has serious issues that would require a place of isolation for her. You decide to look into how much it might cost and if this is feasible.
Improve Housing: Another Apartment x20: (1 vet, $5000) You could get some more apartments and reduce the crowding or provide closer locations for hunting in distant areas.
Cost: $250 per meguca space, $125 per meguca space upkeep, and 1 Veteran Meguca per 20 meguca space; Reward More housing capacity.
Kyuubey
Have a chat with Kyuubey about concerns that have arisen over the Tokyo issue.
Discuss possible solutions. Get the dossiers on Class 4 Contracted (Legendary Girls) and their contact information. If we took on the cost of bribing a Legendary to come out and clean up Tokyo, would we get the bounty on the class 3 demons? Ask for the contact information of all the large magical girl organizations in Japan (we already have Nagoya). Ask for the contact information for girls in the Tokyo area (so we could send useful tools to aid them), particularly any surviving Elites. Ask for information on general demon strength levels in Tokyo city, the number of class 3 demons, and the number of surviving magical girls - so that we can more accurately estimate both the cost of cleaning up the class 3 demons, and the cost of stabilizing the area after cleanup. (How much will this cost us to get Kyubey to give us this information?)
Fluff
With recent training events, and a warning from Kyuubey, you let the girls know that you'll be taking measures to keep the masquerade risks to a minimum for a while. Tandem training is going to be moved out to the nomadic area to the north so that any fancy displays of magic are unlikely to be seen.
Income: $31,500
Expenses: $29,520
Meguca Months Used:
- Elites: 5/5
- Vets: 55/55
- Greens: 9/9
Grief cubes:
Gains: 72.2 (starting) + 88.5 (net harvest) = 160.7
Costs: 69 + 5 (research) + 2 (purchases) + 0.2 (charms) = -76.2
Final (before spirals): 84.5
Money:
Income: $75,710 (bank) + $31,500 (income) = $107,210
Expenses: $29,520 (upkeep) + $2000 (Christmas) + $9600 (purchases) + $3200 (research) = -$44,320
Final: $62,890
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Focus is on research and setting up a nexus of trade deals. If we really are going to be trading cubes for money, we ought to get prices from as many areas as possible. Plus this sets up a lot more interaction, and hopefully will make future diplomatic efforts easier.
I have not included any trade deals in the totals, as we don't know what those will be. However, we have about a 10 cubes surplus to mess around with in the trades.
Have a different plan for the rest.
[X] Elder Haman's Plan
Hunting (1.5 elite, 14.5 vets)
10+17 (unmerged) (Seto Teleportation)
1.5 pair vets [hard leather, -7.3% risk]
>> 8.2 cubes
DS: 0.0 to -0.5
North (Seto Teleportation)
0.5 solo elite [leather armor, -3.0% risk]
2.5 pair vets [hard leather, -2.0% risk]
>> 17.8 cubes
DS: 10.0 to -0.1
South (Basic RT, Seto Teleportation)
1.0 solo elite [full armor, -2.0% risk]
8.0 pair vets [full armor, 0.0% risk]
>> Cap cubes at 51.6
DS: -0.1 to 10.0
Rural
2.5 solo vets [full armor, -0.5% risk]
>> Cap at 7.9 cubes
DS: 1.1 to 0.9
Nomadic
Hunting while training tandem casting (all supplied with full kevlar)
>> Cap at 4 cubes, or evidence of higher than expected DS
DS: should rise above 0
Gross harvest: 89.5 cubes
Costs: 1 cube (forecasting)
1.5 pair vets [hard leather, -7.3% risk]
>> 8.2 cubes
DS: 0.0 to -0.5
North (Seto Teleportation)
0.5 solo elite [leather armor, -3.0% risk]
2.5 pair vets [hard leather, -2.0% risk]
>> 17.8 cubes
DS: 10.0 to -0.1
South (Basic RT, Seto Teleportation)
1.0 solo elite [full armor, -2.0% risk]
8.0 pair vets [full armor, 0.0% risk]
>> Cap cubes at 51.6
DS: -0.1 to 10.0
Rural
2.5 solo vets [full armor, -0.5% risk]
>> Cap at 7.9 cubes
DS: 1.1 to 0.9
Nomadic
Hunting while training tandem casting (all supplied with full kevlar)
>> Cap at 4 cubes, or evidence of higher than expected DS
DS: should rise above 0
Gross harvest: 89.5 cubes
Costs: 1 cube (forecasting)
Net harvest: 88.5 cubes
Support (1 elite, 6.5 vets)
- 3 vets on demon finding training (+20% grief cubes)
- 0.5 elites (Taya), 1 vet on dispatch service (+30% grief cubes additive with demon finding, -1% casualties)
- 1.5 vet on telepathic communication (-2% pair hunting, -1% pack hunting)
- 1 vet, Paperpushing
- 0.5 elite (Seto) on teleportation
Jobs (12 vets, 7 greens, 1 associate)
- 1 veteran (Hainako) - Translation service
- 3 veteran + 6 green working courier business (Minimum 3 vets)
- 1 veteran (Akeno) - Special Delivery
- 4 vets (Akane, Kit) + 1 green + 1 associate - Restaurant
- Expansion: Restaurant delivery
3 vets - Restaurant delivery
Christmas Party (2 vets, $2000)
Spending time together: With the growth of the organization, Mami has ended up a little distant from a lot of the newer recruits. Spend some time just getting close to everyone again, especially the newer girls, and Seto's group. Ground yourself in the touchstone of these girls' lives and needs and hopes and dreams. Every one of them is important; remember that.
Cost: 0.5 Mami
Research (8 vets, 5 cubes, $3200)
Tandem Casting, Fusion: Allows dissimilar abilities to be combined to produce more exotic results.
Cost: 3 Veteran, 3 grief cubes; Chance of Success: 5% +5% per month researched
Month 2
Telepathic Defenses: Attempt to develop means of protecting the mind against telepathy.
Cost: 2 vets (including Taura), 1 month repeatable. Chance of Success: Poor
Month 2
Effects of Enchanting on Technology: You already know at a basic level that enchanting boosts the properties of a material, but it's less clear how it affects something that's far more complex than its individual materials belie. You really aren't sure how this will turn out. (Be sure to test recording Kaoru's song on an mp3 player as one of the scenarios.)
Cost: 2 months of 2 Veteran Meguca, 2 grief cubes, $1000; Chance of Success: 80%; Reward: Some knowledge of how magic and technology interact.
Improve duration/spell anchoring project: Constructing a holder to keep charms in the correct orientation when stored inside a thermos, dipping the charms in polyurethane before placing them in the thermos. Layering thermoses. Placing the thermos inside a large cooler. Purchase a cyroshipper and determine how much longer storing them inside adds to the long term storage life (goal is at least 24 hours) - note to test using non-destructive spells (like healing).
Cost: 1 Vet, $2200 (to purchase two 10L cyroshippers able to hold at least 200 charms, plus additional materials).
Special Delivery Boxes: Work with Akeno to create inertia-dampened enchantments for the delivery boxes on the mopeds. Insulation techniques supported by maintaining the spell by the magical girls during the deliveries.
Cost: Spin off of insulation research
Training (1 elite, 4.5 vets, 2 greens, 0.2 cubes)
General training - With the new recruits, you need some time to get them all up to speed on your procedures and tactics.
Cost: 1 vet, 2 greens. 3 months.
Tandem Casting Training: Now that you've deciphered how to combine two girls magic for greater effect they have to be taught it.
Cost: 1 Veteran per 4 girls trained in the task.
- Teleporter: 4 (Seto + other)
- Stealth: 2 (Kyouko + other)
- Clairvoyant: 2 (Taya + other)
- Barrier: 5
- 1.0 elite = Taya, Kyouko, 2x Seto participation (mitigate penalty for training in nomadic area)
- 2.5 vets
Create Charms: (x33 tandem charms): (0.5 vet, 0.2 cubes) The girls already trained in tandem casting go along to the nomadic area to create tandem cast charms. Create and store 17 tandem barrier charms, and 16 tandem healing charms.
Cost: 0.2 cubes and 0.5 vets (of specific specialty) per 100 normal charms, x3 for tandem charms
Diplomacy (1 elite, 5.5 vets)
Gossipmonger/IntelOps (1 vet) - Keep up general communication with all neighbors we've opened formal relations with, for light upkeep and general gossip and news. Should generally be keeping up with each other group on a weekly basis.
Currently covering areas: 1/2/11/18, 3, 13, 14, 15, 16, Nagoya
-- Express our deep concern about the Tokyo situation, and our belief that we need to cooperate to handle the situation effectively.
Open Relations: Kofu. 0.5 elite (Taya, Mami), 1 vets (should allow for 4 vets and 2 elites to spend 1/4th of their time this month in Kofu).
Trade deal (Coalition): (1 vet) We would like to discuss trading terms for cubes and money as well as research information. We are aware of their Tandem Casting ability and have developed our own form, offer to exchange notes on it. Other things we can offer include training on our hunting techniques. Offer two forms of this: First is to hire 2 vets worth of girls (this might mean 4 vets for half the month) to hunt with us in our territory (in pairs or packs - we can promise they will not hunt solo) next month at a pay rate of 4 cubes per a girl. Second is to send 2 vets worth of our girls to their area to help them plan and organize their hunting to more closely match our productivity.
Trade deal (Area 15/16): (1 vet) We would like more information about Tokyo and their interactions with class 3 demons and magical girls from Tokyo. We are concerned about the Tokyo situation, and need more information to figure out how to prevent it from becoming another Hong Kong. We are interested in boundaries, contacts with girls inside the city, information on class 3 demon behavior. Something we can offer would be an agreement to take in a certain number of magical girl refugees (thus relieving them of some of the pressure for fighting). We are interested in prices for cubes/money as well.
Trade Deal (Areas 14): (0.5 vet) We would like the information in the welcome packet that Nagoya gives out to new vassals. We would also like to discuss terms for trading cubes and money.
Trade Deal (Areas 13): (0.5 vet) We would like to discuss terms for trading money and cubes.
Trade deal (Nagoya): (0 meguca) Trade negotiations with Nagoya over cubes for money. (Approach at the end of the month after getting a feeling for the valuation in the other local areas).
Information exchange (Nagoya): (0.5 vet, 0.5 elite) Hold discussions with Nagoya over the rumors of them trying to clean up Tokyo. Explain that we'd be interested in helping, though we'd need info on how they go about it, and how we might apply our own skills to the matter. Also, ask to be allowed to send a representative on their next Tokyo expedition to observe, or even assist if they wish it. (Send 0.5 Kyouclone). Suggest that it appears to us that solving the Tokyo matter will require widespread cooperation among most of the large magical girl organizations in Japan. Ask for contact information for any additional large meguca organizations in Japan that they know of.
Feeler towards Serena Pantano: (Free, basically Mami and Hainako making a phone call). Mami has learned about Serena from Kyubey, and perceives that she is one of the possible solutions to the Tokyo problem. Mami decides to call her and feel her out about the possbility of her clearing Tokyo of class 3 demons:
- introduction, pleasantries, and description of the Tokyo class 3 demon problem
- would Serena be interested in clearing out Tokyo, and what kind of support would she need (ie financial, etc)
- what precautions would Serena recommend about minimizing the effect of her aura while in Tokyo
- would Serena be interested in a long term retainer?
-- secluded housing
-- monthly grief cube upkeep for her and the girls with her
-- possibility of combining soul anchor technology with her ability to provide medicine to girls that are grief spiraling. (Stress this would probably take some research).
- what else does Serena want? Does she have something different in mind?
- end call with gratitude for her time, and the resolution that we will consider her price and see if we can make something work. We will probably have to talk a lot more to work out an actual deal.
Purchases (2.5 vet, $9,600, 2 cubes)
Mopeds for delivery service: $1200 each, $50/month upkeep. x3
Kyouko's family church (1 vet, $1000, 2 cubes): Begin negotiating the purchase of the Sakura church. Target price $500,000 with 20% down ($100,000). New upkeep (predicted): $3,500. Get a professional evaluation of the property, including all needed repairs, and the specific remodeling for a large gym, dormitory, large meeting hall, and large commercial kitchen. (Cost for initial earnest money and inspection $1,000.) Pay Kyubey to help create paperwork and cover.
Actual purchase assumes we complete a trade with other groups for at least $35,000, expect to financially complete that deal next month.
Search for secluded Real Estate: (look in the nomadic region, and also near the Aokigahara forest). 0.5 vet, Requirements: Must be at least 1 kilometer away from populated areas, must have existing house or complex that can be rented. Must have internet connection. Must have a location at 1 kilometer distance suitable for drop off deliveries to be made and then picked up. Must be nice and well maintained. Must have space for a large number of girls.
Having heard about the different magical girls that can handle the class 3 demon menace in Tokyo. One of the possibilities is Serena Pantano, however her ability has serious issues that would require a place of isolation for her. You decide to look into how much it might cost and if this is feasible.
Improve Housing: Another Apartment x20: (1 vet, $5000) You could get some more apartments and reduce the crowding or provide closer locations for hunting in distant areas.
Cost: $250 per meguca space, $125 per meguca space upkeep, and 1 Veteran Meguca per 20 meguca space; Reward More housing capacity.
Kyuubey
Have a chat with Kyuubey about concerns that have arisen over the Tokyo issue.
Discuss possible solutions. Get the dossiers on Class 4 Contracted (Legendary Girls) and their contact information. If we took on the cost of bribing a Legendary to come out and clean up Tokyo, would we get the bounty on the class 3 demons? Ask for the contact information of all the large magical girl organizations in Japan (we already have Nagoya). Ask for the contact information for girls in the Tokyo area (so we could send useful tools to aid them), particularly any surviving Elites. Ask for information on general demon strength levels in Tokyo city, the number of class 3 demons, and the number of surviving magical girls - so that we can more accurately estimate both the cost of cleaning up the class 3 demons, and the cost of stabilizing the area after cleanup. (How much will this cost us to get Kyubey to give us this information?)
Fluff
With recent training events, and a warning from Kyuubey, you let the girls know that you'll be taking measures to keep the masquerade risks to a minimum for a while. Tandem training is going to be moved out to the nomadic area to the north so that any fancy displays of magic are unlikely to be seen.
Income: $31,500
- Translator: +$4500 per turn
- Courier Business, Mitakihara: +$9500 per turn
- Courier Business, Kasamino: +$4500 per turn
- Restaurant +$9000 per turn
- Delivery +$4000 per turn
Expenses: $29,520
- $8000 upkeep on house
- $5000 upkeep on apartments
- $500 upkeep on cable
- $1380 upkeep on cellphones (-2% solo hunting, -1% pair hunting)
- $6900 upkeep on stipend (reduced to $100/girl)
- $6900 upkeep on food
- $690 upkeep on gear (bikes, shields, misc)
- $150 upkeep on mopeds
Meguca Months Used:
- Elites: 5/5
- Vets: 55/55
- Greens: 9/9
Grief cubes:
Gains: 72.2 (starting) + 88.5 (net harvest) = 160.7
Costs: 69 + 5 (research) + 2 (purchases) + 0.2 (charms) = -76.2
Final (before spirals): 84.5
Money:
Income: $75,710 (bank) + $31,500 (income) = $107,210
Expenses: $29,520 (upkeep) + $2000 (Christmas) + $9600 (purchases) + $3200 (research) = -$44,320
Final: $62,890
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Focus is on research and setting up a nexus of trade deals. If we really are going to be trading cubes for money, we ought to get prices from as many areas as possible. Plus this sets up a lot more interaction, and hopefully will make future diplomatic efforts easier.
I have not included any trade deals in the totals, as we don't know what those will be. However, we have about a 10 cubes surplus to mess around with in the trades.
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Grand Alliance to clear out the class 3 demons? Requires multiple crits.
Grand Alliance to split the spoils after someone else eliminates the class 3 demons? Suddenly you have a lot of incentive to get in on this. And if even one of the major organizations is doing it (Nagoya) suddenly it becomes risky not to get your slice of the pie.
Suddenly I think we only require better than average rolls.
Okay, have to head to work, so no time to update my plan now, will update with this later. I assume still double cost the first month (first and last months rent)?
Also, what is the cost for this:
Special Delivery Boxes: Work with Akeno to create inertia-dampened enchantments for the delivery boxes on the mopeds. Insulation techniques supported by maintaining the spell by the magical girls during the deliveries.
Cost: ??
Or are we just going to get it as a freebie spin off that came out of our insulation research?
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- He/Him
I actually do favor Serena significantly. Her side effects could be almost completely mitigated by having her and her followers stay on a boat, and she clearly has morals since she's trying to minimize her power's effect.
If nothing else, perhaps all the locals could pitch in together and get enough funds to bribe her over here with a sufficiently nice boat?
If nothing else, perhaps all the locals could pitch in together and get enough funds to bribe her over here with a sufficiently nice boat?
Well, first of all, you have to persuade Nagoya and all those other organizations to not simply take their slice, and a few other people's slices. Then you have to get them all to agree on how much they deserve (Nagoya certainly isn't going to be happy with anyone else getting anywhere near as much as they do, considering their dedication, and many other groups will be pissed at this), then you have to find some way to persuade them all that it's totally reasonable to spend huge amounts of resources trying to integrate all those low-morale girls rather than just killing them or driving them off.
Yes.
I'm thinking I'll just give you that as a freebie spinoff.
God, I don't want to try to hug her, not for awhile anyway. Girl's a hot mess, and could use another five years to calm down. I just see her as the first option Mami would look to for fixing the Tokyo situation: she's Japanese, she's not otherwise engaged, she doesn't have power side-effects, and she's not a tool of the Incubators, who have been making us uneasy for years now.But Homura needs a hug really badly.
I'll see if I can find the time in front of an actual computer at some point; phones are not a great place to craft vote plans.
OK, time to catch up on the overnight burst of conversation.
Also, adding in the trade deals Haman has proposed.
... I was going to say that if they die at the start of the month, they obviously couldn't have hunted the cube they otherwise would have used. However I now realize that them dying opens up cube hunting slots for cubes used on grief spirals and other things, which helps buffer secondary effects. I still think the final conclusion is valid, but it doesn't decay quite as quickly as originally projected. I'd have to go through the math yet again to be sure.
Ah. So likely a major push from baseline contracting levels up to the 98% level in order to help fill the personnel needs for fighting off the class 3 menace, yet backfiring because that many meguca means overhunting even more.
Noted.
I'll put it as tentative, but we'll need more detail on exactly how we're going to go about doing this. Should also have a concrete plan for the aftermath, no matter what.
Also, adding in the trade deals Haman has proposed.
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Actually, before we continue with the debate over the grand alliance thing, perhaps we should ask Nagoya what their plan for the area is. After all, if we disagree they will probably come out out on top, so it is in our best interest to make whatever plan we choose acceptable to them.
Think about it this way: her specialty isn't Class 3 demons, so we probably wouldn't be calling on her in order to handle the Tokyo situation. We might hear about her (as part of the general list of Legendary girls), but it wouldn't become relevant until we actually face the mind controller boss. At which time we could try to contact her, but it would be a last minute scrambling in an emergency situation to contact someone we don't know type of thing rather than an easy hard counter.
There's a huge difference between tricking girls into a contract with the express intention of murdering them afterwards and destroying a local population group (or sub-population) in order to prevent the local Class 3 demon infestation from spreading (the incubators would probably argue that this saves more people in the long run). The first situation is premeditated murder which treats the victim as nothing more than a commodity for harvest, while the second (while horrible) could be justifiable under some situations.
While wishes are one possible explanation for the incubators' behavior, no wishes are actually required to explain it. There's an excellent (though long) discussion here about how Kyuubey's behavior matches certain Utilitarianism models of moral behavior.
You underestimate the problem that Serena's group faces. On the one hand they would like to stay in a remote area in order to prevent people from dying to the side effects. But on the other hand they still need grief cubes (and food and other supplies), which generally means hunting demons in populated areas. So they are forced to move from one populated area to another without staying for long in any one spot. A large Class 3 demon hunt might supply them with enough cubes to camp out in the wilderness or the ocean for a few months or whatever, but (boat or no boat) they can't setup a permanent life in any one spot.
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The boat was originally just a way to separate her from people while she destroyed the demon. The idea of bribing her with one came later. That said, boats don't have to stay in one spot either; She could go after class threes in any other coastal city too.
Changes to my plan:
Remove Fujinomiya courier expansion. Was just tentative anyway, but doesn't look like we're going to try again on that just yet.
Remove speed research project. We have a lot more stuff filling in meguca time now.
Added Haman's suggested duration/insulation/anchoring research project.
Adjusted price for negotiating on the Sakura church.
No cost applied to the special delivery boxes.
Copied Haman's trade deals pretty much wholesale, but would like commentary from others on the specific wording.
I guess we're delaying Kaoru's training again? Given it's late in the week, and we have no new omakes, I'll remove it. I actually do have an omake for her started, but it'll be a bit before it's ready. Maybe I can work on it Sunday.
Added line for contacting a legendary, but that's going to need a lot of details for the exact plan.
Special note: Haman has Mami on opening relations with Kofu, and we both have Mami on a special rebuild of relations within the Serenes (morale). That we don't have any Mami leftover for interacting with any potential legendary (which we're absolutely going to want if we do that). Assuming we want 0.5 Mami for the legendary interaction (overall attempt covering about 2 weeks of the month), which of the other uses is it better to drop Mami from?
Currently has 0.5 vets free, though that might change as I continue to review and tweak things.
Remove Fujinomiya courier expansion. Was just tentative anyway, but doesn't look like we're going to try again on that just yet.
Remove speed research project. We have a lot more stuff filling in meguca time now.
Added Haman's suggested duration/insulation/anchoring research project.
Adjusted price for negotiating on the Sakura church.
No cost applied to the special delivery boxes.
Copied Haman's trade deals pretty much wholesale, but would like commentary from others on the specific wording.
I guess we're delaying Kaoru's training again? Given it's late in the week, and we have no new omakes, I'll remove it. I actually do have an omake for her started, but it'll be a bit before it's ready. Maybe I can work on it Sunday.
Added line for contacting a legendary, but that's going to need a lot of details for the exact plan.
Special note: Haman has Mami on opening relations with Kofu, and we both have Mami on a special rebuild of relations within the Serenes (morale). That we don't have any Mami leftover for interacting with any potential legendary (which we're absolutely going to want if we do that). Assuming we want 0.5 Mami for the legendary interaction (overall attempt covering about 2 weeks of the month), which of the other uses is it better to drop Mami from?
Currently has 0.5 vets free, though that might change as I continue to review and tweak things.
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Sorry to keep bothering you with questions, but I have some more.
1st: The Trade Information deal with Nagoaya included sending someone as an observer. Is that the 0.5 vet cost, or is the observer an additional cost? You told us that we already know they intend to run monthly trips, so I'm supposing we could send one this trip. If it's an additional cost, I'm guessing an additional 0.5 meguca?
2nd: We still need to pin down the cost of charm making. Last I heard was:
0.1 GCU per 50 charms, (x2 for tandem cast charms)
How many meguca months? 0.5 per 50 charms? (x2 for tandem cast)
And then we need 20x charms per a hunter to get the bonus, right?
3rd: Still need a decision on teleport charms...
How about something like this:
Solo: -3% risk casualty, reduces hunting productivity (multiply by 0.95)
Pair: -1% risk casualty, reduces hunting productivity (multiply by 0.95)
Pack: -1% risk casualty, no significant effect on hunting productivity
Basically the argument is that the greatest risk reduction is for solo girls. Pack hunting it's only used to escape when cut off from the pack, and the rest of the pack just goes on hunting, so significantly less risk reduction, but no effect on hunting productivity. Pairs get the lower benefits, but also has the hunting productivity cost because the partner has to retreat as well once left alone.
I picked 0.95 because that seems to make using them cost ~0.25 cubes efficiency per hunter for solo hunting (depending on numerous other factors - vets/elites/rural/etc), on top of the cost of making the charms (1.8). So they are pretty expensive, but give significant risk reduction for solo girls, which saves a lot of meguca months, enough to out weigh the efficiency reduction.
It basically makes them untenable for pair hunting, and then useful again for pack hunting since we only have to pay the creation cost.
That seemed as simple as I could make it while still keeping the realism you seem to want. Of course you mgiht want to play around with the numbers some more.
4th: What is the difference in effect between normal healing charms and tandem cast healing charms?
Normal Healing charms are -10% death risk for solo and pack. Are Tandem cast healing charms double that? 150% effective?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Sorry to keep bothering you with questions, but I have some more.
1st: The Trade Information deal with Nagoaya included sending someone as an observer. Is that the 0.5 vet cost, or is the observer an additional cost? You told us that we already know they intend to run monthly trips, so I'm supposing we could send one this trip. If it's an additional cost, I'm guessing an additional 0.5 meguca?
2nd: We still need to pin down the cost of charm making. Last I heard was:
0.1 GCU per 50 charms, (x2 for tandem cast charms)
How many meguca months? 0.5 per 50 charms? (x2 for tandem cast)
And then we need 20x charms per a hunter to get the bonus, right?
3rd: Still need a decision on teleport charms...
How about something like this:
Solo: -3% risk casualty, reduces hunting productivity (multiply by 0.95)
Pair: -1% risk casualty, reduces hunting productivity (multiply by 0.95)
Pack: -1% risk casualty, no significant effect on hunting productivity
Basically the argument is that the greatest risk reduction is for solo girls. Pack hunting it's only used to escape when cut off from the pack, and the rest of the pack just goes on hunting, so significantly less risk reduction, but no effect on hunting productivity. Pairs get the lower benefits, but also has the hunting productivity cost because the partner has to retreat as well once left alone.
I picked 0.95 because that seems to make using them cost ~0.25 cubes efficiency per hunter for solo hunting (depending on numerous other factors - vets/elites/rural/etc), on top of the cost of making the charms (1.8). So they are pretty expensive, but give significant risk reduction for solo girls, which saves a lot of meguca months, enough to out weigh the efficiency reduction.
It basically makes them untenable for pair hunting, and then useful again for pack hunting since we only have to pay the creation cost.
That seemed as simple as I could make it while still keeping the realism you seem to want. Of course you mgiht want to play around with the numbers some more.
4th: What is the difference in effect between normal healing charms and tandem cast healing charms?
Normal Healing charms are -10% death risk for solo and pack. Are Tandem cast healing charms double that? 150% effective?
Inquiring minds want to know!
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It was mainly that I didn't have the girls so I cut it. Might put it back if a vet comes open (costs 1 vet).
Pretty much.
I guess I just don't feel we are ready to contact a legendary yet. For Kesi we need an after action plan. For Homura we'd have to devote a lot of resources to go get her. Travel to Africa, costs in money, time, and risk.
I'd rather first try to diplomacy a grand alliance. If that succeeds we try to contact Kesi. If it fails, we go for the Hail Mary and try to find this "Homura" girl, and hope appeals to her Japanese loyalty succeed in getting her to come back to Tokyo.
Kofu of course.
Oh yes... it's... complicated. Like America's relationship with France as a whole really. Certainly you don't want them to talk politics together, (and unfortunately they are the two most political of all the Legendary girls - comes from being so old).
Fluff on frugality to save up for the church doesn't match expenditures on research. May need to revise it. Net income this month is -$14k, though we should recover a little due to the delivery service expansion.
Current elite distribution:
Kyouko: 0.25 training, 0.75 hunting
KyouClone: 0.5 hunting, 0.5 expedition
Mami: 0.5 morale, 0.25 diplomacy, 0.25 hunting
Taya: 0.5 dispatch, 0.25 training, 0.25 diplomacy
Seto: 0.5 teleportation, 0.5 training
Total in hunting adds up to the 1.5 I had in the original hunting plan.
If we want to contact a legendary, Mami will need 0.5 allocated (assuming 2 weeks' work), which pulls her out of the diplomacy action with Kofu. Taya can have that 0.25 shifted over to hunting to fill the gap, and we just use vets on the open relations action. Otherwise, pull her off dispatch entirely and use a vet there instead. More vet allocation either way. I don't think we want Kyouko on a diplomacy assist.
I've dropped the bit about talking with Kyuubey about the contracting rates. Need to think over the math more before we try to go into that.
@inverted_helix - What sort of costs would be involved in trying the Hong Kong doctor contact idea? (Assuming it gets past the Kyuubey filter check on whether the Incubators are involved.)
Current elite distribution:
Kyouko: 0.25 training, 0.75 hunting
KyouClone: 0.5 hunting, 0.5 expedition
Mami: 0.5 morale, 0.25 diplomacy, 0.25 hunting
Taya: 0.5 dispatch, 0.25 training, 0.25 diplomacy
Seto: 0.5 teleportation, 0.5 training
Total in hunting adds up to the 1.5 I had in the original hunting plan.
If we want to contact a legendary, Mami will need 0.5 allocated (assuming 2 weeks' work), which pulls her out of the diplomacy action with Kofu. Taya can have that 0.25 shifted over to hunting to fill the gap, and we just use vets on the open relations action. Otherwise, pull her off dispatch entirely and use a vet there instead. More vet allocation either way. I don't think we want Kyouko on a diplomacy assist.
I've dropped the bit about talking with Kyuubey about the contracting rates. Need to think over the math more before we try to go into that.
@inverted_helix - What sort of costs would be involved in trying the Hong Kong doctor contact idea? (Assuming it gets past the Kyuubey filter check on whether the Incubators are involved.)
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I'll give .1 GCU per 50 charms, .5 meguca per 100 charms seems more reasonable. But x3 to costs instead of x2 for tandem cast (higher failure rate).
Yeah.
This seems a reasonable set of numbers.
150%, sometimes the degree of healing isn't what makes the difference.
Are you planning to straight up ask him to his furry face if he's involved? I'm kind of unclear on that.
Also unclear how you were planning to get through to a doctor involved directly at all. Costs could be considered negligible for such a simple idea as calling and saying what you want to say, but depending on how far you want to take your attempt could go way higher.
@Elder Haman, I really think we should consider Homura first, before the alliance plan. I see the alliance plan as significantly more risky than you seem to: for one, it relies on our large, conquest-oriented neighbor, who out-numbers us 2-4 to one and is much better trained at PvP, to decide not to turn around in victory and immediately annex that tiny little upstart territory between it and it's new Tokyo colony. Keeping Homura around will be a delicate balancing act, but the worst thing she's likely to do, if she does agree to come in the first place, is leave.
Agreed. I'll think about how to rewrite this.
Okay, will drop as well.
Okay. Does that x3 cost for tandem cast apply to both GCU cost and meguca cost? Or is the GCU cost x2, and the meguca cost x3?
He's probably tell us.
I disagree that the threat is as big as you make it out to be. Firstly, because Nagoya's hands will be full dealing with gaining control of their new Tokyo territory, which buys us at least three months, even if they are as aggressive as you fear.
Second because there will be other large groups involved as well. If we can arrange to take the southwest section (we can argue we already have girls from that area), and then suggest Nagoya take the western section, then it means that we will have our backs to the sea, and only significantly boarder Nagoya, while Nagoya will have borders with the other Tokyo powers.
The result is that Nagoya will prefer a friendly Serene group at their back while they deal with the other groups.
It'll mean playing the diplomacy game, but that seems like a good call for us, considering our bonuses. I vastly prefer betting on our diplomacy skills to betting on our combat skills.
More like, if he's not not involved.
At the moment, simply an attempt to call and convince them to try removing patients from the area. Haven't given much thought to trying for more complicated stuff til at least the basics can be confirmed.
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If you expect us to control our section with only ~35 girls then how would it it tie NM down to control their own?
That said, I actually am coming around to at least trying to create such an alliance, I just think we need to learn what NM plans to do already, and build our plan around that instead of trying to take the lead from them like this.
Currently working through the fun of adding charm use to the spreadsheet.