Meguca Micro Empire Quest (PMMM)

What should I do regarding a change in system?

  • Notgreat's proposed simplification of hunting, leave rest intact.

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • Chapter system vastly simplifying everything.

    Votes: 4 44.4%

  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .
When I wrote it I actually meant it differently than it ended up sounding. I had meant she carried you all together. Essentially all the people that were brought in a group, rather than a couple at a time. It would have been a couple hops to go the total distance. I just wrote it very poorly to explain that.
Ah, ok. The distance between Fuji and the closest part of the peninsula should be close enough, but at that point we might as well just try asking them for safe passage.

At your current level, around 5 GCU.
That decays over time, assuming we don't keep increasing it, right?

Yes, but this will substantially increase meguca cost because of transit times and inconvenience.
I don't think we're anywhere close to getting our own training grounds, especially since we need more housing. How much does the cost increase? Do any of the houses have a basement that could work, or does this require open space?
 
Maybe go out to the middle of our nomad territory where there aren't really any people for that kind of flashy stuff?
 
No, they don't want us to attack them. That's not the same thing.
According to the most recent update, it appears that the girls want to avoid any violent conflict with us. On the other hand, if/when we do absorb them, we will have to deal with hostile magical girls and demons from Tokyo. Looks like we need to do some more PvP training before we try to recruit them.

Why did humans create an atomic bomb that could annihilate millions in a single instance? Why did they test it, despite some suspicion that it would set off a chain reaction that would burn the entire atmosphere?
Not really. According to Wikipedia "Teller also raised the speculative possibility that an atomic bomb might "ignite" the atmosphere because of a hypothetical fusion reaction of nitrogen nuclei. Bethe calculated that it could not happen, and a report co-authored by Teller showed that "no self-propagating chain of nuclear reactions is likely to be started."" So it was speculated as a possibility early on, but then they did the research to prove that it wasn't actually a danger before they actually did the tests. Like (moderately) sane people.

The "Why would people do something so maliciously evil and useless?" point is not a strong argument.
The original argument was "Historically, we have examples of sabotage hunting, so it might happen again." My argument was "Historically, sabotage hunting has had disastrous consequences, and the people we're specifically worried about getting into conflict with have learned from those consequences, so we don't have to worry overly much about sabotage hunting." TheEyes responded with a speculative example of remote sabotage hunting based on intentionally spawning Class 3s. This is getting rather away from the original discussion (since it's not based on how things happened in Tokyo or Nagoya), but I commented that even this tactic would be stupidly risky bordering on suicidal. Some people might be crazy enough and hateful enough to throw their lives away for a chance of hurting others, but that kind of malicious evil is uncommon, even in PMMM. We mostly have to deal with people who are selfish and paranoid; as long as they know about the risks of Class 3 demons, we don't have to worry about sabotage hunting from them.

Range is still a factor though, and the usual result of an out of range attempt is just a fizzle.
Hmmm. Due to the size of our territory, we may need to have multiple teleport locations so that all of our hunters will be able to safely teleport away.

The death rate in Hong Kong is catastrophic at this point. World Health Organization doctors in the area have apparently isolated the cause as an incredibly dangerous virus, more virulent then anything seen before, and airborne to a degree. Though it is not understood why it hasn't spread further already given how much travel Hong Kong saw before the quarantine. It's speculated that there may be some environmental factor which enables the disease. Fatality rate is as far as anyone can tell total. Many believe that it must be engineered, though WHO is unwilling to comment on that. The purpose is unclear if that is the case though. Chinese authorities have instituted a substantial burn zone around the infected region in an effort to further ensure containment.
Ominous. This looks like the "final solution" that Kyuubey was proposing for Tokyo. We need to start making progress on those Class 3 demons or Tokyo will probably go the same way as Hong Kong.

Unfortunately Nagoya's ongoing efforts have not been enough to turn the general course of events in Tokyo. One of the few remaining fortified positions was overrun, numerous elites were killed in the course of a single battle and the situation is increasingly desperate. Some are suggesting it may only be months before the only ones left are new recruits.
Tokyo is getting worse, and the existing meguca are incapable of handling it. Outside help (i.e. Nagoya and us) is required.

Nagoya's expedition to Tokyo was about as inconclusive as ever. They took only minor damage in exchange for killing a single Class 3 before being forced to withdraw by reinforcements.
I propose that we reach out to Nagoya and offer support for their next expedition to Tokyo. Picking off the demons one or two at a time is definitely better than expanding North and running into packs of them or waiting for the incubators to sterilize Tokyo.
 
Okay, so our priorities for this turn are:
  • Scout Kofu. We have a neighboring group up there. @inverted_helix What can the Area 17 girls tell us about them?
  • Ask Area 16 for safe passage so we can scout the Izu peninsula latter. If that fails, we may resort to teleporters.
  • Have a social day with the Coalition. Preferably, we should do this on the border between our territory and theirs, so this might need to be separate from our normal morale day. See if there's a large hall we can rent out in a suitable location.
  • Acquire more housing. Maybe expand our businesses if we need more income, we just got a bunch of greens and I think that's what we typically do with them while they grow up.
  • Continue training people in tandem casting somewhere that won't damage the masquerade.
  • Continue research projects, maybe start on the layering research.
Anything else?
 
Okay, so our priorities for this turn are:
  • Scout Kofu. We have a neighboring group up there. @inverted_helix What can the Area 17 girls tell us about them?
  • Ask Area 16 for safe passage so we can scout the Izu peninsula latter. If that fails, we may resort to teleporters.
  • Have a social day with the Coalition. Preferably, we should do this on the border between our territory and theirs, so this might need to be separate from our normal morale day. See if there's a large hall we can rent out in a suitable location.
  • Acquire more housing. Maybe expand our businesses if we need more income, we just got a bunch of greens and I think that's what we typically do with them while they grow up.
  • Continue training people in tandem casting somewhere that won't damage the masquerade.
  • Continue research projects, maybe start on the layering research.
Anything else?
We already have a number of trained tandem casters, so might be able to wait on training the others.
  • Train our new recruits (3 months of 2 greens and 1 vet).
  • Train PvP so that we can handle hostile meguca from Tokyo as we continue to expand North.
  • Reach out to Nagoya to partner with them in future Demon hunts.
  • Create teleportation/barrier/healing anchors (preferably tandem ones)
  • Enchant our shields/armor with tandem barrier casting.
The anchors and the improved shields/armor may allow us to start hunting with IRT this turn.
 
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Train our new recruits (3 months of 2 greens and 1 vet).
You mean to vet level? Not worth it. We have enough jobs to trade them all in for vets right now without doing any training and being a vet won't help with running a restaurant. Unless you're talking about something else?

Train PvP so that we can handle hostile meguca from Tokyo as we continue to expand North.
Reach out to Nagoya to partner with them in future Demon hunts.
Create teleportation/barrier/healing anchors (preferably tandem ones)
Enchant our shields/armor with tandem barrier casting.
Agree with all of these.
@inverted_helix Does PvP training help with fighting Class 3 demons?
 
You mean to vet level? Not worth it. We have enough jobs to trade them all in for vets right now without doing any training and being a vet won't help with running a restaurant. Unless you're talking about something else?

No, our regular training is decaying.
With all the new recruits our % chances of not dying are going down, since the new girls are not trained in our procedures.

Hong Kong's plague seems to be caused by a wish.

And Tokyo is... Bad...

I think trying to get a new house would be a good idea.
 
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Also Tandem casting is 2 people, not unlimited, I think that was asked earlier.
That was me. So is it possible for a research to be created that enables mass-casting? I'd be curious to see the level of power you could get by combining all four clairvoyants, or five or more barrier users at once, in terms of ability to protect our territory and detect threats.
 
Hong Kong's plague seems to be caused by a wish.
I read this as a plague custom designed by the incubators to wipe out the population and kill the Class 3 demons.

Incidentally, if we add the new territory to the North area and re-balance the North and the South areas so that they're equal in size, then we would end up with two areas of size 37 (North DS=7.6, South DS=2.4) and we could harvest 91.3 GCU this turn by using 3.5 Elites and 12.5 Veterans (or 96.2 GCU with IRT).
 
Coming back to this:
Nagoya's expedition to Tokyo was about as inconclusive as ever. They took only minor damage in exchange for killing a single Class 3 before being forced to withdraw by reinforcements.
Unfortunately Nagoya's ongoing efforts have not been enough to turn the general course of events in Tokyo. One of the few remaining fortified positions was overrun, numerous elites were killed in the course of a single battle and the situation is increasingly desperate. Some are suggesting it may only be months before the only ones left are new recruits.
Last we checked, on Turn 28, there were 37 Class 3 demons and 45 Elites in Tokyo, down from 53 and 107 at the start. With what's happened since, the numbers might be about equal. We really need to do something about it and it won't be enough to just go in there and start killing things. If they run out of Elites, then there's nothing to stop them from eating vets and greens and breeding until we become the next Hong Kong. I really don't know what to do.

I read the Hong Kong plague as the result of powerful demons going unchecked.
The World Health Organisation has apparently found the disease responsible, so it's not magic. We've been told that the Incubators will eventually just wipe out the underlying population to get rid of demons that are too powerful to deal with otherwise.
 
Really? I gathered Hong Kong is what we can expect Tokyo to turn into if we can't get it under control in a reasonable stretch of time.
I read the Hong Kong plague as the result of powerful demons going unchecked.

This is also very possible, probably better than my interpretation.

The World Health Organisation has apparently found the disease responsible, so it's not magic. We've been told that the Incubators will eventually just wipe out the underlying population to get rid of demons that are too powerful to deal with otherwise.

This can also be the case, incubators at work.

I am also honestly baffled about what we should do about Tokyo.

Some kind of grand alliance of MG marching in, in theory, in praxis I just do not see it working.
 
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Last we checked, on Turn 28, there were 37 Class 3 demons and 45 Elites in Tokyo, down from 53 and 107 at the start. With what's happened since, the numbers might be about equal. We really need to do something about it and it won't be enough to just go in there and start killing things. If they run out of Elites, then there's nothing to stop them from eating vets and greens and breeding until we become the next Hong Kong. I really don't know what to do.
Well, Nagoya was (reportedly) able to destroy one Class 3 in return for "minor damage". That's probably propaganda filtered by Nagoya, of course, but they definitely seem to be hunting the Class 3 demons and if we join with them, we can make that operation safer and more effective and hopefully continue to destroy one or two Class 3 demons each turn. As long as Kyuubey stops recruiting new magical girls in Tokyo (this might require some negotiation), then we ought to be able to whittle down their numbers over the course of two or three years.

The World Health Organisation has apparently found the disease responsible, so it's not magic. We've been told that the Incubators will eventually just wipe out the underlying population to get rid of demons that are too powerful to deal with otherwise.
Demons do kill people by means that mundanes explain away as normal, so it could be the demons. But the fact that almost the entire population was destroyed makes it sound like Incubator work.
 
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The World Health Organisation has apparently found the disease responsible, so it's not magic. We've been told that the Incubators will eventually just wipe out the underlying population to get rid of demons that are too powerful to deal with otherwise.
I doubt that. We're running on rumor and second-hand information. The WHO assumes it's an airborne virus of some type, probably in part due to lethality and communicability, but it's just as likely(or more) it's a PR move to stifle panic.
 
Also keep in mind that with the knowledge of magic actively being suppressed organisations are going to look for any explanation that's not magic but fits the evidence. 'Communicable disease' is as valid an explanation as 'poison in the water' in such a case.
 
I doubt that. We're running on rumor and second-hand information. The WHO assumes it's an airborne virus of some type, probably in part due to lethality and communicability, but it's just as likely(or more) it's a PR move to stifle panic.
True. I still think it's the Incubators reacting to demons, rather then the demons themselves.
 
I actually detected error in Kinematics math this time.
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Kyuubey also gives you a warning that you're pushing things on the masquerade. It's not an issue yet, but it soon will be on your current trajectory. You could cut things back, or start paying a fee for the necessary measures.
In what area? The only thing that sounded like it might possibly have edged into masquerade territory was the tandem training. Was there anything else?

Was answered. Fun with Magic and tandem training.
Also Kinematics math on grief cubes was actually wrong for once. He included 1 cube for forecasting and .3 cubes for teleportation in his hunting plan, then failed to count those against his grief cube estimate at the end.
Ah.... That's because I changed the layout slightly. I included the gross total and those deductions up in the hunting block, and only carried down the net total after subtracting them.

Gross harvest: 88.8 cubes
Costs: 1 cube (forecasting) + 0.3 (teleportation)
Net harvest: 87.5
 
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True. I still think it's the Incubators reacting to demons, rather then the demons themselves.
If the incubators want to react, it's more efficient to get contracted to kill them, since it produces grief cubes which pushes up the bottom line. And the incubators are nothing if not efficient. They would be more likely to make calls for bounties before actively bug-bombing a population. They would be more likely to simply eliminate a population than bug-bomb it anyway, it more efficiently destroys population than some drawn out time-waster like a plague.

No, it's more likely that Hong Kong is simply the end result of Tokyo, when there are so many demons of such high strength that even the best efforts of the best contracted are useless, but still producing enough profit that the incubators continue contracting girls for the cube gains they produce and letting the situation spiral out of control.
 
So now our Vets hunt at a rate of x1.65 cube collection instead of the usual x1.5 cube collection. If I have it right?

That might not seem like much, but it sure as hell adds up.

It occurs to me that even if we are weak and poor in terms of cubes or cash, our experience and labor is insanely valuable and conquering us could easily be rationalized by a conquest group as stopping us from letting our extremely valuable assets go to waste.
 
If the incubators want to react, it's more efficient to get contracted to kill them, since it produces grief cubes which pushes up the bottom line. And the incubators are nothing if not efficient. They would be more likely to make calls for bounties before actively bug-bombing a population.
Only if the magical girls are actually capable of killing them. At some point, they have to resort to other methods.

They would be more likely to simply eliminate a population than bug-bomb it anyway, it more efficiently destroys population than some drawn out time-waster like a plague.
It's hard to beat the energy efficiency of a targeted plague. Orbital bombardment is very expensive by comparison and would cause all sorts of other problems they'd have to clean up latter. Time is not the only resource they care about, or even the most important.
 
We might want to try to negotiate a mercenary contract with Nagoya. They have lots of money, we have five elites and 55 veterans. We'd want them to either provide cubes, or provide cash for expended cubes, but it could be very profitable. And it would give us more room to negotiate aid from them in the future. We should also lower our hunting in Urban North, as it's at 10.
 
If the incubators want to react, it's more efficient to get contracted to kill them, since it produces grief cubes which pushes up the bottom line. And the incubators are nothing if not efficient. They would be more likely to make calls for bounties before actively bug-bombing a population.
Of course. They probably did. Just like they're asking for help with Tokyo right now. There simply wasn't enough response to save the city (which is also the direction Tokyo is headed), so they decided to cut their losses and destroy the problem directly.

They would be more likely to simply eliminate a population than bug-bomb it anyway, it more efficiently destroys population than some drawn out time-waster like a plague.
This particular plague is far from drawn out:
Incredible death rates to an unknown cause in Hong Kong have resulted in a quarantine of the island by Chinese authorities.
The death rate in Hong Kong is catastrophic at this point. World Health Organization doctors in the area have apparently isolated the cause as an incredibly dangerous virus, more virulent then anything seen before, and airborne to a degree. Though it is not understood why it hasn't spread further already given how much travel Hong Kong saw before the quarantine. It's speculated that there may be some environmental factor which enables the disease. Fatality rate is as far as anyone can tell total.
It's a 100% fatal disease with a localized catastrophic effect (the entire city is destroyed in a few months). If you're an alien civilization that wants to destroy a city without letting the locals know that you were involved, then this is the way to do it.

We should also lower our hunting in Urban North, as it's at 10.
Currently, we alternate overhunting one region (using rotating tactics to get more cubes) and underhunting the other region (to get it back to the baseline). Next turn the North region will be at 0 and the South region will be at +10.
 
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