General Exalted Thread

[Strypgia]

So kindly piss off with your condescension.

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this is why we can't have nice things I just made a post about civility. And the requirement of discussing the CBT carefully. This is not it. Since this is your first offense, I'm going to make it a Warning for Marginal Behavior instead of an infraction. However, for failure to heed the thread's announced strict policy on staying calm, especially right after an official post re-emphasizing it, you are threadbanned for a week.

Everyone stay very, very polite, or I will just abandon mercy and restraint.

 

[Squishy]

Given the argument on Discord that raged about just this

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let's just think about whether or not we want to do this, shall we
Really, is this the best idea?

 

[Chehrazad]

i am sorry for stepping in But frankly, this is getting ridiculous. Thread locked so some other staff member can sort it out.

 

[Tekomandor]

stop @Imrix your beheaviour in this thread is not acceptable. You have been issued a 25 point infraction and two week threadband for violation of rule three. Please be more considerate of other posters.

@Kuciwalker and @Sanctaphrax - don't cut each other's arguments up into tiny pieces when replying to them. You have both been issued staff notices not to spaghetti post.

Please be kinder to each other, everyone.

 

[Lisafication]

cease and desist Thread locked for staff review.

 

[Strypgia]

once again our harmony is disrupted Or to put it in less Exalted language: A screaming argument is not civil, and disrupts the thread. And strict enforcement is in effect, per the posted banner.
Kaiya went from 'stop having fun' to

Jesus Christ, do you hear yourself? You are comparing people who disagree with you about how to handle magic to homophobes.

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Also, yes, you are literally comparing me to homophobes and anti-vaxxers. If you dislike how utterly ridiculous that makes you look, then stop fucking doing it.

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Don't do this. This argument did not need this sort of hair-trigger screaming escalation.

I acknowledge that I am comparing you to homophobes and anti-vaxxers. I think that that only sounds ridiculous because of the way you've phrased it.

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And this is not terribly polite, despite being superficially civil. If you really needed to get into it this much, use PMs. The thread did not need you two shouting at each other like this, nor the 'yes, I'm comparing you to homophobes and anti-vaxxers'.

So, for carrying on in a decidedly not calm and civil tone, Kaiya and linkhyrule5 are both getting 25 points and a week out of the thread.

Thread reopened. Play nice.

 

[Tekomandor]

So you're saying that even with a timeframe long enough that humans who weren't born yet when they started would have been dying of old age before the deadline, and access to the wealth of Heaven as well as all the exotic plunder from the Primordial War, with all that, the group of 30 solars (for whom that charm, by your own argument, IS a logical purchase), their respective lunar mates, two perfect circles of Sidereals, a proportionately enormous group of Dragon-Blooded, allied People of Adamant, and possibly even Autocthon Himself, couldn't reasonably have built a particular 2-dot artifact? Actually, if it's either crystalline or plant-based, one of the Dragon Kings with the right Path could reduce that to effectively a 1-dot. Making it plant-based biotech would also apparently resolve your concern about compatibility with the Imbue Amalgam spell.

Per the training time rules in the core book, inventing a new charm from scratch takes weeks, not decades. The Ochre Fountain Era wasn't exactly peaceful, but it was a time of prosperity and expansion during which the Exalted Host had more than enough time to explore the more tactically useful 'esoteric' possibilities of Essence 4 and build basic artifacts.

Infernals (well, actual pre-yozi primordials at least) were relatively common opponents during the Primordial War, which had only recently ended, and Unshaped might have been far more common in the immediate aftermath of the Three Spheres Cataclysm, or when pushing out into the Deep Wyld or Pure Chaos when those bumped right up against the borders of the world. Lunar tattoos definitely hadn't been invented yet. If somebody slipped up and didn't keep their Shaping defenses active, wouldn't it be nice to have a backup plan, a second line of defense? An ounce of prevention is great, but any smart pharmacist will keep a few pounds of cure on the shelf too, because accidents happen.

I'm not talking about mixing the two, or casually swapping out one for the other, but rather designing an entirely new spell which uses Autocthonian influences to achieve a mechanically similar result.

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warning This is getting pretty close to 'spaghetti posting' - cutting up an opponent's arguments into little pieces, which disrupts or distorts their arguments. This is against the rules, specifically Rule Four: Don't Be Disruptive. Don't do it again.

 

[kokuenDG]

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I would say most are not actual threats. Because they are either rare enough to ignore, or bad at destroying cities.

It's not atrivial to notice, noticing can be protected against with more astrology.

Careful targeting can net you a group without essence users. So problem avoided with basic planning.

Again, basic planning of targets. Target small groups without essence wielders.

Neither can destroy a city without a whole bunch of castings. Cantata lacks range, a Warstriders is a really slow and inefficient tool for demolition.

No, it can damage buildings. It would take consistent effort to destroy a stone structure, not just abrade or chip away at it. And a fast way of destroying a city one building at a time is not. It would take days for a major city, and the spell lasts...a scene. You might smash up a block. Not a city.

Third*.

Only destroys defensive walls, nothign else.

Too small to matter on the scale of actually destroying a city on it's own. It's an annoyance in that regard, you fill in over it once it's done.

Annoyance, not an actual threat.

Waaaaay to small to destroy even a village.

Warstrider problem. Slooooooooow.

Makes people afraid, not dead. No effect on buildings.

Also slow, mildly more effective than a Warstrider.

Needs a water source, bad against stone buildings, otherwise okay.

It ends the moment anyone in the effect is hurt. Hope you can hurt nobody in doing that, and also stop any accident in the huge area that might set it off early. Impractical as fuck.

the Sapphire circle lacks city destroying magic. None of those spells are a major threat to a city. They are annoying, or slow, of very specific. None are practical or sensible. You're better off just pitching diseased bodies over the walls.

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Let's tone down on the spaghetti posting, alright? You don't need to cut up the posts just to get your point across.

Same for everyone else. Don't get yourselves in trouble over something like this.

 

[Tekomandor]

You know what? I'm just going to post this, since its so hard to read Pdfs on my phone.

Sorcerous workings

Without extra means, you have 5 rolls.

Terrestrial Circle workings (Goal number 5, 10, 20):

• Transforms, enhances, or weakens pre-existing elements of the natural world, rather than directly invoking supernatural forces
• When supernatural exists, it is usually limited or constrained
• Limited to minor blessings - augments natural properties of that area
• Most powerful workings work on either a small chamber, or on a single character

Celestial Circle workings (Goal number 25, 30, 35):

• Miracles of outright supernatural power
• Either rewrites the laws of the natural world on a relatively large scale or instills supernatural power into the mundane world
• Powerful blessings or curses
• Affects entire villages or a particular neighbourhood
• Power is obvious, or a dramatic or drastic change to the world

Solar Circle Workings (Goal Number 40, 50, 75):

• Rewrite laws of reality or add new ones
• Encompasses entire cities at Ambition 1, or entire cosmos at Ambition 3
• Can bend time, space, or boundaries of worlds to the sorcerer's will
• Can change a being's very soul

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warning This thread isn't a place for you to post fragments of the rulebook for your own convenience. Don't do it again.

 

[kokuenDG]

What are we going to do?

Set up a thread for meta?

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you're going to drop the topic and move on
You all should know by now that this isn't okay. Stop trying to bite each others heads off for minor crap like this.

Sometimes, people are abrasive. Deal with it.

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It's actually my job to deal with this Kaiya. And really, if you're being abrasive then that's on you.

I would advise you stop being so abrasive to others, and make the effort to calmly discuss things instead of doing...this. It's better for everyone overall.

I can't believe I'm saying this but.... grow up.

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Please avoid doing this as well. This does nothing to actually help the situation, and quite frankly it's not a good idea if you want to stay out of the crossfire.

Really guys, you're better than this. Or at least, I would hope you are. So stop antagonizing each other and keep things somewhat chill, yeah?