It is my position that stunting is not a dissociated mechanic; it corresponds to real phenomena in the setting. To the extent that the mechanics of stunting require decisions, or influence decisions on other subjects, those correspond closely to decisions the character would also be making. To the extent that it involves OOC knowledge, that information corresponds to in-setting considerations the character could have understood and taken into account. I've got a fairly elaborate but, I think, well-supported theory of cosmology and soul-anatomy to back this up, if you're interested.

Oh dear.

Do you have a counterargument, beyond the dismissive taunt? Any interest whatsoever in refining your own knowledge of the world through an intellectually honest debate?

No.
 
Oh sure. You're a devoted cultist for hire spreading the word of whatever god can pay to the masses, a private investigator wandering the seedy ivory streets for just a few more years rent on your tiny palace, and you're a heaven sent paladin ready to appear anywhere in creation to do any dirty job for the right price.
It's especially nice because to 9/10 gods in Ex3, a Dragonblooded is a major problem. Even to stronger ones they're terrifying. No GET, but they can rip Essence dots away. The god who hires a DB has some heavy yet still not divine muscle, the brutish lower class.

That tenth God is Ahlat and his ilk, who are bossfights for entire hearths.

Maybe telling people that they're acting disruptively or with a lack of civility is not a good idea, given your recent spate of unreasonable aggression in this very thread? (And I would have just PMed this, but locking your profile prevents you from being targeted so...)
Maybe my perception of the world is different from yours, I do not perceive things as such and so find this unpersuasive, and my profile is locked to prevent people like you from doing literally exactly that.
 
Because only associated mechanics enable roleplaying? On a related note, I found a better explanation for my deep aversion to the idea of making combat (or anything else, but usually combat) into a minigame that must always be fun, no matter the cost: The Alexandrian » Thought of the Day – Encounters and Railroading
What an incredibly bad argument. It's based on a single anecdote as support and doesn't hold up to even a minute of scrutiny; people who find combat encounters fun and demand they be fun are people who don't want to sit through two hours of meaningless slog, but would prefer that those two hours of slog it will inevitably become are actually fun to sit through. That's not a strange demand, that's not absurd, it's definitely not a repressed joy for the limited freedom of roleplaying due to incredibly railroaded plots. There are several good arguments for not making everything into a minigame, and I actually do agree and sympathize with a lot of them (I've spent at this point, at least ten hours in total arguing with @Kaiya and @Omicron about exactly this and I STAND MY GROUND) but this argument is not very good.

You could say it's to reduce complexity, you could say it's to change the focus of the game, but this is just a bizarre position to take. Even from the assumption that every plot is deeply railroaded, which doesn't match with the Exalted experience of many people, people like railroading. Even the argument that the true joy of roleplaying is found in freedom is one that is deeply flawed from the perspective of deeper investigation; this essay does not support it and neither do your arguments. If you want to make an argument, do so yourself instead of posting bad essays to do so for you.
 
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Yes, to be clear, you definitely should not make every action in an RPG its own minigame; but once you have, that minigame had better be fun or you should just replace it with a roll.
 
Maybe my perception of the world is different from yours, I do not perceive things as such and so find this unpersuasive, and my profile is locked to prevent people like you from doing literally exactly that.
So you don't think that you've been rather abrasive recently? For instance, the very usage of 'people like you'.
 
It's especially nice because to 9/10 gods in Ex3, a Dragonblooded is a major problem. Even to stronger ones they're terrifying. No GET, but they can rip Essence dots away. The god who hires a DB has some heavy yet still not divine muscle, the brutish lower class.
Exactly, you aren't mook thugs. You're the not-quite-criminal elementalist clans of Heaven. There's a certain level of respect for your ancestors achievements passed down to you and a wariness about your ability to inflict harm with ease and little fear of reprisal from a low or middle class god.

You're basically the samurai clan turned Yakuza except the loan shark office your associated with is literally run by a sentient shark-god of trade.
 
Definitions: The Alexandrian » Dissociated Mechanics – A Brief Primer
Realism: The Alexandrian » D&D: Calibrating Your Expectations (though personally I'm fond of GURPS, which goes even further on this in many ways)

I think "how to make combat interesting" is the wrong question. You need to make the game as a whole interesting. It helps that you stated three of the troublesome assumptions more or less explicitly: incessant violence with no real variation in the outcome, characters whose 'importance' renders them arbitrarily immune to plausible consequences of that violence, and the heart of it all, a sacrosanct railroad plot. Maybe the design process will get easier if you start by overturning some of those assumptions. The Alexandrian » Don't Prep Plots
That dissociated mechanics essay was cool
 
No you absolute doofuses, you are not having an argument about this. This is stupid. Immediately drop it, I don't have any authority but as a peer user and this is perhaps the dumbest argument about the biggest nothingburger I have ever seen. Why are you even discussing this in the Exalted thread. God.
 
No you absolute doofuses, you are not having an argument about this. This is stupid. Immediately drop it, I don't have any authority but as a peer user and this is perhaps the dumbest argument about the biggest nothingburger I have ever seen. Why are you even discussing this in the Exalted thread. God.
What are we going to do?

Set up a thread for meta?
 
Warning: You're going to drop the topic and move on
What are we going to do?

Set up a thread for meta?

you're going to drop the topic and move on
You all should know by now that this isn't okay. Stop trying to bite each others heads off for minor crap like this.

Sometimes, people are abrasive. Deal with it.

It's actually my job to deal with this Kaiya. And really, if you're being abrasive then that's on you.

I would advise you stop being so abrasive to others, and make the effort to calmly discuss things instead of doing...this. It's better for everyone overall.

I can't believe I'm saying this but.... grow up.

Please avoid doing this as well. This does nothing to actually help the situation, and quite frankly it's not a good idea if you want to stay out of the crossfire.

Really guys, you're better than this. Or at least, I would hope you are. So stop antagonizing each other and keep things somewhat chill, yeah?
 
Every once and a while I wonder what it is about Exalted, specifically, that attracts all these assholes to it. Even I'm not immune to lashing out and being a giant prick about things I feel are important. Case in point, I had to stop myself from getting in to an argument with Sanctaphrax over if charms were magical or not (They're not. You're wrong, shut up!)

Like, we're all table top gamers, so obviously we all have some kind of moderate to severe emotional or mental issues. We wouldn't be spending hours upon hours pretending to be cool in fake, imaginary words if we didn't.

But why Exalted specifically?

Maybe my data is skewed because I mostly lurk in Exalted or DnD threads, but I feel like there is a greater concentration of vitriol, bitchiness and pettiness among the Exalted fanbase. I mean, just looking at the mod warning thread marks. Over forty vs the WoD threads five. What the heck, Exalted community? Why are we such shits?
 
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It can be argued that anything that uses Motes is magic.
They're not. You're wrong, shut up! :mob:

Also don't act like people yelling in each other's general direction instead of having a calm discussion is unique to Exalted, the Ascension Mage thread had to be split off from the World of Darkness thread for exactly the same thing.
Certainly not, but it seems to be far more common with Exalted.
 
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Every once and a while I wonder what it is about Exalted, specifically, that attracts all these assholes to it. Even I'm not immune to lashing out and being a giant prick about things I feel are important. Case in point, I had to stop myself from getting in to an argument with Sanctaphrax over if charms were magical or not (They're not. You're wrong, shut up!)

Like, we're all table top gamers, so obviously we all have some kind of moderate to severe emotional or mental issues. We wouldn't be spending hours upon hours pretending to be cool in fake, imaginary words if we didn't.

But why Exalted specifically?

Maybe my data is skewed because I mostly lurk in Exalted or DnD threads, but I feel like there is a greater concentration of vitriol, bitchiness and pettiness among the Exalted fanbase. I mean, just looking at the mod warning thread marks. Over forty vs the WoD threads five. What the heck, Exalted community? Why are we such shits?
On my end, I haven't slept well in literally 14 days and suffer constant, piercing headaches, and my love for Exalted is, well. In Ex3, it would be a Defining intimacy. Nothing else in my life comes close. My impression is that Exalted is a lot like Serenity, from Firefly. It just has this way with people, of drawing them in, making them fall in love. No matter how many times it needs fixing, or goes off on some idiotic tangeant about Lunars fucking animals, or releases an Edition that has as a core assumption everything you loathe about tabletop gaming, it's hard to pull away, to not think what it could be.

Exalted is special. It's special to a lot of people, in a lot of mutually contradictory ways. There's nothing else quite like it out there, and I don't think there ever will be.
 
No you absolute doofuses, you are not having an argument about this. This is stupid. Immediately drop it, I don't have any authority but as a peer user and this is perhaps the dumbest argument about the biggest nothingburger I have ever seen. Why are you even discussing this in the Exalted thread. God.
Because Kaiya has locked her profile so people can't PM her.
 
On my end, I haven't slept well in literally 14 days and suffer constant, piercing headaches, and my love for Exalted is, well. In Ex3, it would be a Defining intimacy. Nothing else in my life comes close. My impression is that Exalted is a lot like Serenity, from Firefly. It just has this way with people, of drawing them in, making them fall in love. No matter how many times it needs fixing, or goes off on some idiotic tangeant about Lunars fucking animals, or releases an Edition that has as a core assumption everything you loathe about tabletop gaming, it's hard to pull away, to not think what it could be.

Exalted is special. It's special to a lot of people, in a lot of mutually contradictory ways. There's nothing else quite like it out there, and I don't think there ever will be.
..... go to sleep.
 
On my end, I haven't slept well in literally 14 days and suffer constant, piercing headaches, and my love for Exalted is, well. In Ex3, it would be a Defining intimacy. Nothing else in my life comes close. My impression is that Exalted is a lot like Serenity, from Firefly. It just has this way with people, of drawing them in, making them fall in love. No matter how many times it needs fixing, or goes off on some idiotic tangeant about Lunars fucking animals, or releases an Edition that has as a core assumption everything you loathe about tabletop gaming, it's hard to pull away, to not think what it could be.

Exalted is special. It's special to a lot of people, in a lot of mutually contradictory ways. There's nothing else quite like it out there, and I don't think there ever will be.
I feel the obvious solution is the wholesale dissolution of the Exalted band.

Kidding, but the impression I get from your post is that Exalted fans are basically the RPG version of Dr Who fans, or Steven Universe Fans, or Supernatural fans, or Rick and Morty fans, or Adventure Time fans.

Fans are the worst.
 
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