Walker of the Yellow Path
Ho There!
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- The Land of Memes
Lol wut how?!!?
General Exalted Thread
Until he provides us with deets, I'm going to go with "because Omicron is OP."
- Location
- Brittany, France
- Pronouns
- He/Him
unfortunately spooky legal documents forbid me from offering you the details of the magical adventure that is Nightshade Beats Up Literally Everyone: A Family Movie
But I will tell you one thing: the worst question you can ask to a Solar who went for an incredibly powerful build that required almost all of their Charms being invested in Charms and Abilities that are immediately practical to using a sword to kill and not be killed is this:
"Did you buy Call the Blade?"
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- Brittany, France
- Pronouns
- He/Him
hey kaiya
hey
do you remember that one other time:
remember how it did play out
i choose to remember that occasion as a moral victory and a reminder that a full excellency is not a replacement for buying five grapple charms because that's the minimum buy in to deal with your nonsense.
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- Denmark
- Pronouns
- She/Her
nightshade hasnt fought rava yet
god cant you see it
rava shoots an arrow, moves
nightshade soaks it and moves
rava shoots an arrow, moves
nightshade soaks it and moves
rava shoots an arrow...
Tell me more about this Nightshade chap. They sound like an interesting fellow.
- Location
- Ottawa
Sure. But if anything, the "aimed at the wrong person" problem is worse for a full 2e rewrite. I mean, look at 3e!
So the D&D (or whatever) approach is very clearly less work.
Way ahead of you!
Glorious Solar Arsenal
Cost: 5m, 1wp; Mins: Craft 4, Essence 2
Type: Simple
Keywords: Agnostic
Duration: One scene
Prerequisites: Words As Workshop Method, a specialty in weaponsmithing
The Solar shapes their Essence into a weapon with the traits of an Artifact weapon. This Charm may create anything from smashfists to a dragon sigh wand, but if used to create a weapon that uses ammunition it doesn't provide any. The Solar may create the weapon in the hands of another character within Close range, if they so choose. Weapons created this way shine like a torch in the colours of the Solar's anima. They have no Evocations.
Glorious Solar Armoury
Cost: 10m, 1wp; Mins: Craft 4, Essence 3
Type: Simple
Keywords: Agnostic
Duration: One scene
Prerequisites: Words As Workshop Method, a specialty in armoursmithing
The Solar shapes their essence into a suit of armour with the traits of light, medium, or heavy artifact armour. The armour forms around the Solar or a willing character within Close range, and may replace the traits of any existing armour with its own. Armour created this way glows brightly in the colours of the Solar's anima. It has no Evocations, but a character who knows Armoured Scout's Invigoration may activate that Charm for free upon being armoured this way.
Forge of the Sun
Cost: -; Mins: Craft 5, Essence 3
Type: Permanent
Keywords: Agnostic
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisites: Glorious Solar Arsenal, Glorious Solar Armoury
This Charm enhances its prerequisites, increasing their duration to Indefinite. In addition, it allows the Solar to create multiple weapons or suits of armour with a single activation of either, paying 5m per weapon and 10m per suit of armour. The Solar may even create ammunition while doing so, paying 1m per shot and creating the first piece of ammunition within the weapon it's intended for.
Cost: 5m, 1wp; Mins: Craft 4, Essence 2
Type: Simple
Keywords: Agnostic
Duration: One scene
Prerequisites: Words As Workshop Method, a specialty in weaponsmithing
The Solar shapes their Essence into a weapon with the traits of an Artifact weapon. This Charm may create anything from smashfists to a dragon sigh wand, but if used to create a weapon that uses ammunition it doesn't provide any. The Solar may create the weapon in the hands of another character within Close range, if they so choose. Weapons created this way shine like a torch in the colours of the Solar's anima. They have no Evocations.
Glorious Solar Armoury
Cost: 10m, 1wp; Mins: Craft 4, Essence 3
Type: Simple
Keywords: Agnostic
Duration: One scene
Prerequisites: Words As Workshop Method, a specialty in armoursmithing
The Solar shapes their essence into a suit of armour with the traits of light, medium, or heavy artifact armour. The armour forms around the Solar or a willing character within Close range, and may replace the traits of any existing armour with its own. Armour created this way glows brightly in the colours of the Solar's anima. It has no Evocations, but a character who knows Armoured Scout's Invigoration may activate that Charm for free upon being armoured this way.
Forge of the Sun
Cost: -; Mins: Craft 5, Essence 3
Type: Permanent
Keywords: Agnostic
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisites: Glorious Solar Arsenal, Glorious Solar Armoury
This Charm enhances its prerequisites, increasing their duration to Indefinite. In addition, it allows the Solar to create multiple weapons or suits of armour with a single activation of either, paying 5m per weapon and 10m per suit of armour. The Solar may even create ammunition while doing so, paying 1m per shot and creating the first piece of ammunition within the weapon it's intended for.
Less of an issue in 3e, for what it's worth.
Sure they do. Even normal base classes can.
Exalts just start well above level 1.
Actually, I think that's a pretty fair criticism. Original release date for Ex3 was October 2013, right?
Every single physical 2e book came out between 2006 and 2010. I realise that pace was too fast for good quality, but this is frankly ridiculous. Ex2 produced 33 books in the time it's taken Ex3 to produce 2.
Ex3 really should have a complete ruleset by now. Splatbooks can wait, but there shouldn't still be holes in the basic rules.
I'm in my twenties, and at this pace I could seriously die of old age before Alchemicals comes out.
Charms are just spells with funny names.
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- my house
This is the correct way to port it to dnd. Just use the spell point system instead of per day stuff
The_Reptile_
Jolly Good
- Location
- THE PITS OF HELL. Also known as Connecticut.
I mean in fairness it seems like Minton and Vance are actually able to keep the promise of regular releases and updates now that they have the line. Arms is out, the DB Manuscript is released so folks who really want to play DB's have access to the ruleset and all signs point to Lunars going at an insane pace since Vance has apparently been sitting on that for a while now, so that's about three books that have had regular progress and/or updates in the past year. I'm given to understand setting books are also being worked on while rules are being ironed out as well so hopefully that will start seeing the light of day.
- Location
- Brittany, France
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It will last forty hours and we will collapse of thirst and sleep deprivation at our own desks
it'll be great
Nightshade is many things
She is the third daughter of a minor noble family in An-Teng who more or less dedicate their lives to catering to vacationing Dynasts for their prestige and favor
She is secretly a rebel plotting to free An-Teng from the Realm's oppression
She is secretly a Lunar Exalt
She is a technical exercise in breaking the combat system with Mantis Style
She is somehow the mentor/recruiter/leader figure of her circle despite this being the worst idea in the world
Because the alternative is letting Rava the Foreign Cavalry Princess be the leader and then we would all be blazingly glorious and also dead within a week
Here are three Nightshade facts for you:
1) Nightshade once convinced a Dynast who had locked herself up in the Prince's palace to avoid public unrest bordering on riots to come with her and have a spa day. This left the Dynast alone and unsuspecting with a deadly Lunar and Nightshade promptly used that opportunity to... Seduce the Dynast and make her want to protect the poor and vulnerable Nightshade, and stage a fake assassination attempt which Nightshade bravely thwarted by literally throwing herself in front of a bomb while dramatically shouting the Dynast's name. AND THEN THEY KISSED
2) Nightshade once learned that a foreign princess loyal to the Realm was coming to marry the Highlands Prince and brought with her a contingent of cavalry that would further help put down civil unrest. She decided that this woman needed to be assassinated, snuck up into a villa she stopped by on the road, found her alone and unarmed on a balcony... And then found actually killing people harder than she thought and proceeded to engage the princess in awkward pre-assassination conversation while she psyched herself up, which ended in the princess revealing she was a Lunar too, at which point they both started yelling at each other in the most rambling way, until Nightshade started ranting about tea blends and linguistics drift and Ravaniyata was agreeing to join her Circle and rebellion.
At this point Rava drew a fancy dagger to seal their oath in blood and this amazing exchange happened
3) Nightshade's current combat tally of "things I beat before turn 5 of combat" sits at one Dragon-Blooded martial artist, a Lunar, another Lunar, a Solar, and another Solar
I now provide you with some out-of-context Nightshade quotes:
IC:
"Oh, that's Wilted Blossom! Hi, Wilted Blossom!" Using Yuu's presence as an easy distraction, Nightshade moves over to the counter, letting a couple tokens slip out of her sleeve as she smiles at the owner. "Wilted Blossom over there can vouch for me. Me and my retinue won't be causing you any trouble, hm? Ta-ta!" She waves at him before moving towards the dour gateway player and sliding into a seat. "How are you doing, Blossom?"
OOC:
TDS
though seriously, who names their daughter 'wilted blossom'
I mean really
wilted
Nightshade
I like to imagine that it's actually something like Gilded Blossom
and Nightshade misheard it once
and ignored all corrections
and Blossom just learned to roll with it
because it wasn't worth the bother
TDS
Hah!
That is now canon
she's honestly one of the most fun characters I've had the pleasure to play and I thank @Elero for giving me that opportunity
one last fun quote for the road
- Location
- my house
Why hasn't this been written up?
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
NDA issues, presumanly. Also, that's a lot of work.
Odd things can happen, out in the far reaches of Creation;
So would these be Manses, Demesnes, Waypoints?
....?
So would these be Manses, Demesnes, Waypoints?
....?
samdamandias
Apprentice Plane Wizard
A bit late to this discussion, but this is absolutely true.
Some of you may recall the adventures of Dr. Murderblender, and how my group eventually came to the conclusion that fights which had the goal of "Kill the other guys and survive" weren't interesting, because either Dr. Murderblender would mulch the opposition, or the rest of the Circle's best option would be to employ the secret Joestar technique.
Now there was another fight in a 3e DB game, against a Lunar. It never felt like the PCs were in actual, personal danger, but there were a lot of other questions that made it tense. Should we disobey orders, and try kill the Lunar before it killed our Lookshyan instructors, or should we run and then need to report their deaths to High Command? Can we get the mortals we were training with through this fight alive? (The answer to that last one was "Yes, but only because samd specced heavily into War and Sail, and then only barely. Dragon Mariner Attitude MVP")
I've never used a map for any of those during combat. Granted, GURPS has an entire chapter the length of the combat rules just dedicated to explaining how things work on a map.
GURPS does not like absolute effects. I suppose you could do something with skillvantages and loading it up with Cosmic enhancements, and that might actually work for Duck Fate. Or do what I have done, and say that for GURPS Exalted, you're not going to touch anything more powerful than a 1CD with a twelve-foot pole. This does leave young DBs, 1CDs, powerful ghosts, various flavors of X-blooded, and heroic/enlightened mortals as viable splats.
In order:
1) This post is nearly three years old. What the blazes are you smoking, and where can I get some?
2) The Demon City does have ships made of nacre, which sail upon and beneath the acid sea of Kimbery
3) The Wrench Rats are not intended to be a one-to-one correspondence with the Quarrians. They are intended to fill a similar narrative role of excellent tinkers and mechanics who are also despised, because oh Dragons, one of them just got into the grease barrels. Who screwed up and let that happen?
4) If you want to implement some idea of mine your game, it is not my responsibility to explain that implementation to you.
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- my house
Why would there be an NDA for their tabletop? Does @Omicron work for onyx path?
Walker of the Yellow Path
Ho There!
- Location
- The Land of Memes
Probably a member of his group isn't comfortable with the others posting logs or something.
- Location
- Brittany, France
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It's a playtest. You'll note that nothing I share about Nightshade is mechanical except her having Mantis Style, which is already available through the DB Kickstarter.
Holy fuck this thread has been moving fast.
This argument would be a lot more convincing if you weren't using an example of essentially playing possum and in reality they're right where you want them. This is less an argument against huge decisives, and more an example of a Dawn caste dunking on a dragonblood, which is the expected result no matter how the details play out to get you there. You have so much more horsepower at your disposal, that I'm not sure using that as commentary on the strategies at play actually says all that much. Your build, specifically, is designed to do this, and you, as a solar, have the muscle to pull it off.
Well, Ex3 goes out of its way to mention specifically that convincing an enemy to accept your surrender in a lot of cases won't need an intimacy to support it at all, and in others you'd need minor. In a minority of cases (trying to surrender to the Wyld Hunt), you'd need a major intimacy to support you. So, it's relatively easy to go nonlethal if you're the one losing, but yeah, if you're the winner trying to take prisoners and they're determined not to give up, the best you can do is beat them into unconsciousness.
You are an odd person to be talking about recognizing bias and reasonably assessing faults in the context of discussing Ex3.
The martial arts merit requirement is not my favorite thing, but in the defense of Martial Arts, it *does* let you fight with either armed or unarmed with one set of Ability dots depending on your style. Also, in the context of Martial Arts letting you reach outside of your normal splat themes in the way that an Artifact does, the fact that there's a required investment of background dots stings a little less. Still, I think it sort of hampers 'I want to learn every style I find' sorts of characters needlessly, so I'm using some houserules to adjust things slightly.
This argument would be a lot more convincing if you weren't using an example of essentially playing possum and in reality they're right where you want them. This is less an argument against huge decisives, and more an example of a Dawn caste dunking on a dragonblood, which is the expected result no matter how the details play out to get you there. You have so much more horsepower at your disposal, that I'm not sure using that as commentary on the strategies at play actually says all that much. Your build, specifically, is designed to do this, and you, as a solar, have the muscle to pull it off.
Well, Ex3 goes out of its way to mention specifically that convincing an enemy to accept your surrender in a lot of cases won't need an intimacy to support it at all, and in others you'd need minor. In a minority of cases (trying to surrender to the Wyld Hunt), you'd need a major intimacy to support you. So, it's relatively easy to go nonlethal if you're the one losing, but yeah, if you're the winner trying to take prisoners and they're determined not to give up, the best you can do is beat them into unconsciousness.
You are an odd person to be talking about recognizing bias and reasonably assessing faults in the context of discussing Ex3.
The martial arts merit requirement is not my favorite thing, but in the defense of Martial Arts, it *does* let you fight with either armed or unarmed with one set of Ability dots depending on your style. Also, in the context of Martial Arts letting you reach outside of your normal splat themes in the way that an Artifact does, the fact that there's a required investment of background dots stings a little less. Still, I think it sort of hampers 'I want to learn every style I find' sorts of characters needlessly, so I'm using some houserules to adjust things slightly.
What houserules are you using for it? In the game I've played it waived the merit entirely. Admittedly, that game didn't last very long so we didn't see how the decision affected the game in the long term.
So, in the base system, you buy the 4-dot Martial Artist merit once, and then have to separately rank each of your styles by skill. That's 19xp of just ranking ability dots per style you grab, which for characters that want to, say, become Immaculate Grandmasters just out of principle to the character concept, that's a lot of 'feelsbad' downtime. So, with all that in mind:
Article: Martial Arts:
All Martial Arts use the same Martial Arts skill. The styles no longer use separate skill ranks. Ranks in Brawl are no longer required to learn Martial Arts. Before putting ranks in Martial Arts, and before learning any charms from styles beyond the first, you must buy a new three-dot initiation merit for the style:
Martial Arts Initiation [Style] (●●●) -- Purchased
This roughly keeps the 'background surcharge for reaching outside your normal splat powers' function, but greatly smooths out the 'dead space' for MA fighters wanting to collect styles, since you spend 9xp to initiate into the style and can just immediately start picking up charms.
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- Virginia
Oh ffs, please read. Please please read. Here is what I said, in the post you are replying to:
(Aside: since it came up earlier, 1971 is when Chainmail came out and 2006 is when 2nd Edition Core came out. Thus the comparison.)
The problem is not some kind of mystical corruption or whatever. It's that if you take, for example, tic-tac-toe, load it up with broken stuff, then fix the broken stuff, you still have tic-tac-toe as your end result. Tic-tac-toe is not unclean, but it's also not worth playing if you're more than three years old.
Now, as a game, Ex3 isn't that much better. It has an extra resource bar, it has a slightly more interesting movement system, it has the choice of withering vs decisive. OK. Still, not great. But what it does have on top of this is a very shiny object that hypnotizes players into feeling like incredible and exciting dramatic swings happen regularly. (Without actually producing swings that would put the intended narrative in danger too often.)
But the merits of Ex3 aren't actually relevant; the problem is not "is 3 better than 2" but "is 2 worth your time to play at all, with fixes at least?" and the answer is no. You can't fix 2, you can only replace it wholesale.
Every subsystem of the game should be fun to engage or it should not exist. Full stop.
- My insults are actually pretty focused IMO.
- The requirement for "constructive criticism" in the sense of providing a usable alternative is not intellectually justified; or is alternately satisfied with the obvious answer of "play a different game and put yellow glitter on it".
- Actually I have been working slowly on a total (and drop-in) replacement for Ex3 combat on the discord, but even if I weren't my comments would be equally forceful and correct.
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If Charms are just spells, then what would Spells be? Would they just also be spells?