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Worm Piece (Worm/One Piece)

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[X] Captain: Luffy
[X] Second: Taylor
[X] Third: Nami

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line
 
[X] Queen Administrator: Queen Administrator
[X] Captain: Luffy
[X] Second: Taylor
[X] Third: Nami

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line
 
RavensDagger said:
Kinda of surprised too.

Luffy is... kind of incompetent as a captain. He doesn't know the first thing about the role.
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Luffy's whole deal is the idealization of maximum personal freedom. Technically you're right that he's not really any good at all the administrative tasks that a captain SHOULD take on. But he's got no problem delegating all of that stuff. It's just that he won't accept any authority beyond his own. When the chips are down, what he says goes and he absolutely won't do anything he doesn't want to do no matter the circumstances or who orders him to do it. And he's got a well enough understanding of how a crew is supposed to work that he realizes that if he wasn't the captain he'd have to submit to the captain's authority at some point or other. So he's not willing to not be the captain. If the thread votes to make Taylor the captain, Luffy will leave. Anything else would be hugely ooc. It seems like most people both realize this and want to stay with the strawhats for the time being.

[X] Captain: Luffy
[X] Second: Taylor
[X] Third: Zoro

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line
 
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Orannis said:
I understand this is to be fun but there will be line when dumb things will fuck us over in a bad way you can still lose a easy game. Taylor it will not always be fun even more so if Luffy's dumbness nearly kills not only her but her friends.

When does this happen? is this before or after Ash Ketchum becomes competent and grows up? Because if, so I need to start watching Pokémon again sounds badass. Last i saw even after his brothers death this has not happened. Taylor may have patience, but she does not have a year of it. She is more of a grow up quick kind of girl. Luffy is 17 and Taylor would be able to see this Luffy acts like a 13-year-old.

And this is why she needs to explain to him what the King of the Pirates is at this time he is the king of rape, the king of pillage, the king of slaving. Remember the king of the Pirates represents all pirates any action committed by your kingdom is action accepted by your king unless he puts a end to it.


Know who else dream is backed by the Will of D? Garp. Know who the last King of the Pirates asked to raise his son? Garp. know who has more skill at using and honing the Will of D? Garp. Know who has no sympathy for criminals? Garp. Know who did not intervene to save one of his grand children? Garp. Know whose weapon is a ball in chain the size of a battle ship? Garp. Know who has golden shoulder pads despite being a vice Admiral. Garp.

Know who is on our boat right now? Mother fucking GARP!

On this note also there is no reason to yet be a Pirate till he gets to the point where he punches a prince of the world government. A: it is far easier to move around when you don't have a massive bounty on your head.B: There is no reason to be a enemy of the Navy/world government yet and if Luffy was a good Captain and wanted to "protect his friends and helping their dreams too" he would bide his time till the right moment or there was little other choice but to kick the bees hive. But he is not. Only though Taylor's action do they not yet have a bounty.

By giving Nami a command position she would not have to be as nasty about it. also we are not giving her Captain position. She would have a leash on her hording. Also her greed tempers out after her time skip. She is after money but the reason she does so changes.

I agree that Needing absolute control is not healthy. But there is a galaxy span between reducing control and then giving up control to be under Luffy the 17-year old that mentally is 12 and has not even lost his brother yet.



heck if we play our cards right maybe Garp will become an Admiral and have the pull to save his family if shit hits the fan or destroy it from the inside out.
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Please don't spaghetti post.

If anyone can question the Captain and help them be better it's the second in command.

They're both idiots but Luffy isn't Garp. Luffy places greater value and trust in his nakama. He's not torn between family and an ill-defined sense of 'Justice' that looks a lot more like tolerating a lot of shit for a veneer of peace.

Um, no. King of the Pirates doesn't have actual royal authority or a kingdom. Rather, the whole world (or worlds, if they travel the multiverse for the epilogue) is their place to roam. Luffy makes it very clear he doesn't have subjects. He has a crew that are nakama. He's not going to tell anybody else how to live.

That's not to say we can't convince him to tear down the World Nobles, slavery, etc. As long as there are people in bondage, nobody is truly free, after all.

There is every reason to be a Peace Main type of Pirate. It's about fun and adventure (Do what you want 'cuz a pirate is free!). They also value their crew as their treasure, so the dreams of the crew are a priority as well. Of course, beating up Morganeers and tearing down corrupt governments who are being 'jerks' can be part of that fun adventure too. There will come a point when we have to choose between staying below the radar and doing the right thing. Because are our dreams really worthy if we ignore evil shit right in front of us just for the sake of things being easier? We don't know when such a decision point might be if canon goes off the rails more, which it hopefully will, but it's inevitable.

Taylor ceding the captainship to a charismatic moron who lets his smarter crew members run most things while she is trusted to do the management/delegation is the best balance. It's a necessary part of not needing total control, but also has her not avoiding responsibility.

You're far more trusting of Nami not abusing authority than I am. Her greed does tone down post-timeskip, sort of, but greed still defines Nami in a big way. That's not always a bad thing to have as a voice...it just shouldn't be a defining part of someone who is in authority. I'd rather not tempt her or make it necessary for us to check that on the regular.

veekie said:
Third - The emergency backup. You want somebody calm and task oriented for this. They don't need to be good at long term planning, but they need to be GREAT at task focused planning and staying motivated in a morale crisis. The tricky part here is that Zoro has half the requirement, and Nami has the other half. Zoro wouldn't give up if things go to shit, but his plans WOULD be shit, while Nami would do better but may shut down if things are really bad.
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If it's an emergency where you actually need the back up then things are already really bad.

Going forward as Second in Command Taylor will have to insist that Third in Command Zoro work with her, learn how to assist her day to day, and how to do her job in case it becomes necessary. Spending a lot of time together...and just for those reasons and nothing else. :whistle:
 
RavensDagger said:
Kinda of surprised too.

Luffy is... kind of incompetent as a captain. He doesn't know the first thing about the role.
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He's the glue that hold the crew together. Also, this is supposed to be a vacation.

[X] Captain: Luffy
[X] Second: Taylor
[X] Third: Zoro

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line

Taylor : Welcome to your proper place Zoro. Under me.
 
spudman said:
Of course Luffy isn't ready to be the Captain on a maturity level. He'll grow into the role. And Taylor and Zoro will be there to back him up, and encourage that with our choices.
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That same reasoning probably means that we really ought to place Sogeking as captain.

Jokes aside... while I don't mind people arguing over votes, try to avoid speaking your opinion as fact. It's too east to go from there into outright bullying of those who disagree.

Tzardok said:
Let him work for it. If he wants be captain, he should earn it.
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That was my thought too. But whatever, I can work with Captain-in-Name-only-Luffy.
 
RavensDagger said:
That same reasoning probably means that we really ought to place Sogeking as captain.

Jokes aside... while I don't mind people arguing over votes, try to avoid speaking your opinion as fact. It's too east to go from there into outright bullying of those who disagree.



That was my thought too. But whatever, I can work with Captain-in-Name-only-Luffy.
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Sogeking just wants to be brave. We can vote to interact with him more and help with that too.

That's fair. It wasn't my intention but I'll revise that. I think he can grow into the role. I don't expect him to ever be the smartest (or even anywhere close, really), but I think we can get him to listen to his subordinates and delegate things as needed. And I have every intention of voting towards a path that helps his development.


Deathwings said:
Taylor : Welcome to your proper place Zoro. Under me.
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I anticipate a TaylorxZoro relationship to be an ongoing sparring match, sometimes a battle (of sorts). There would probably be plenty of periods between rounds to relax, but they'd inevitably get back to a struggle for dominance. Sometimes Taylor wins, sometimes Zoro wins. Taylor probably wins more. But even when one of them loses, I doubt they really mind...:ogles:
 
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[X] Captain: Taylor
[X] Second: Nami
[X] Third: Zoro

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line
 
[X] Queen Adminstrator: Queen Administrator
[X] Captain: Luffy
[X] Second: Taylor
[X] Third: Nami

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line
 
spudman said:
That's fair. It wasn't my intention but I'll revise that. I think he can grow into the role. I don't expect him to ever be the smartest (or even anywhere close, really), but I think we can get him to listen to his subordinates and delegate things as needed. And I have every intention of voting towards a path that helps his development.
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I mean, that's exactly what he does in canon.

"I can't wield a sword, steal or lie, but my crew can," or something like that.
 
[X] Captain: Taylor
[X] Second: Luffy
[X] Third: Nami

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about Garp's story
 
Orannis said:
[X] Captain: Taylor
[X] Second: Luffy
[X] Third: Nami

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line






No, this make a great morale officer. The only thing Luffy so far has for him as a great captain is his huge luck and the ability to always smile. Luffy is just not ready to be captain yet. Hell so far he has only been captain in name only.

Now this makes a great Captain. She also knows how to use her crew/fiends to the best of their abilities.




This could be a number two or number 3 depending on where Taylor stands






Now this is blatantly not true if this was not stated I would most likely let this post slide and moved on. Most likely the only reason they made it as far as the ship has is because of Nami's hording. Food is not free, water is not free, crews are not free (though is show theirs was. But it was small), wood is not free, coal or tender is not free, soap is not free, salt may or may not be free. Just because the supplies were bought off-screen does not been they were not obtained just like it is not shown unless for gags when they go to bathroom but it happens. Now I ask you who bought the supplies, well that would have to be Nami because she was in control of the ship's gold.


Yes this is very true but we love her anyways


Another thing you posted that is very true. If in game, and we used her she would be treated as a green unit we don't control in combat it does it own thing. Though we can ask things of her.



Sadly I don't think even Taylor would be a great captain at this point also. She does not drive enough yet to want to be one.



In canon Luffy should have died at least 5 times by the time his brother died not including movies. Only reason he did not is his bullshit luck/plot armor. When his luck ran out he would obtain plot armor++.


Which means we are not playing easy mode anymore we are playing hard mode while not you will die edition it is hard mode. If they try to pull the old win vs SP9 in this story they all will end up truly dead or if lucky prison.



god he is such a great morale officer. Kind of like the flash in justice league don't know what you had till you lose him. Also remember this is no longer canon he is not the center of the crew now. Though love Taylor may have stolen Zoro, Though smarts and friendship we have Nami and Kaya. Though Kaya we have Sogeking. I know we are missing a guy but I feel he would be the only one at this point to side with Luffy


The first time she did that she lost all her friends she had to take back control to get them back. She had to take all the control to save the world. Fuck the last time she gave up control she got shot in the head and then "That bitch Contessa left her" on a island.



This is with no plan and no real captain was running the show.
Ummm no a good leader always ask/delegates to the people of the best know how in a given situation.




This should be more written Tashigi actually would make a solid third if she was a crew member. I think also she would make a great third but sadly she belongs more to Garp then the crew. Tashigi is a Navy officer that means training to be an officer, so she would be a great #2 or #3



As stated above this is how she has kept the crew a live this long.
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Lastly For the people that are posting Cap: Luffy 2nd: Zoro i don't see Taylor staying with the ship after Luffy nearly gets them all killed the 2nd time if not the 1st time as long as he is captain.



Also did everybody forget about Chapter 71

"Tashigi shifted nervously on the spot until she looked over to Garp. The Marine gave her a nod." see not crew yet

Taylor's booted foot clunking onto the last free spot on the barrel. "I'm going to help my... friends. And I'm going to become strong enough that I never have 'no other choice' again."
If you serve under somebody, and they tell you to do something that can put you into a position where to keep your vow you have to either leave or break the one making you break your vow.

Luffie's dream was never to be Captain it has always been to be King of the Pirates. Wonder when Taylor is going to train/explain to him about rape, pillage, and slaving. He is to be the king of the pirates means he is to be the worst/best of them all so understanding these things. This could also be used, so she can get him to be the white knight King of the Pirates route in front of Garp to try to swing him into betraying the Navy and joining his Son and grandson in overthrowing the world government.
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If we are taking plot armor Taylor far outstrips luffy.

Luffy has the excuse of training since he was 4 in a world where you can throw houses and crack islands around just by training and being trained by garp someone who could make coby learn soru in 2 months for his monsterous endurance

Luffy has canocally non zero chance of achieving anything he sets his mind to as stated by basil Hawkins who predicts the future.

Also luffy could pick by chance the one non exploding apple out of a basket full of exploding apples


Compared to Taylor luffy doesn't have much plot armor.

The alexandria fight alone requires more plot armor than luffy ever had.


Luffy takes the role of the heart in a five man band and without him the crew would fall apart really fast, he is basically the glue that holds the crew togother.

And more important luffy would leave of he isn't captin, his whole dream and promise requires him to be a captin.

The government labels anybody who opposes them a pirate and finding the one piece is opposing the government.
 
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Meng hao said:
And more important luffy would leave of he isn't captin, his whole dream and promise requires him to be a captin.

The government labels anybody who opposes them a pirate and finding the one piece is opposing the government.
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Actually Luffy's dream requires him to not be a subordinate. Bellamy for exemple is a captain who is also a subordinate. (Yes, I know the marines would slap hierachical labels on people who decided to make a crew without one but that's a different matter)

Also, if Luffy was smart, subtle, patient, discreet and a host a of other of other things that would make him decidedly un-Luffy like, he might have found a way to the one piece that doesn't requires him to antagonize every major power that exist in the setting (beside Shanks and Whitebeard's crews) but that's not who Luffy is so we'll never know.

While we're on the subject
It turns out finding the one piece requires being able to read poneglyphs and while taking Robin in got him in a mess an undead boat had to save us from, she is still the only (it will probably turn out to be one of the but who cares) person still alive who can read them. Sure that's not covered by the conventional conception of plot armor but it's still an incredibly convenient coincidence.
 
[X] Captain: Luffy
[X] Second: Taylor
[X] Third: Zoro

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line
 
[X] Captain: Taylor
[X] Second: Kaya
[X] Third: Luffy

[X] Ask about Laboon's story

I think Luffy could maybe do with some leadership mentoring, and Kaya may have the second-most relevant experience in sapient administration after Taylor and Best Shard.
 
[X] Captain: Luffy
[X] Second: Taylor
[X] Third: Zoro

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line
 
[X] Captain: Luffy
[X] Second: Taylor
[X] Third: Zoro

[X] Ask about Laboon's story
[X] Ask about Crocus' story
[X] Ask about the Grand Line
 
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