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Controversial gaming opinion: video games are good.
What are controversial gaming opinions you have?
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Chlof
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Damn, it's almost like there isn't a whole misogynistic culture based around making assumptions of the practical limits of men's physiques.
FelOnyx
Love and Peace!
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The original point of comparison was "we need female characters that are like Kratos Son of Ares", the practical limits of mere mortals need not be a limitation.
Unrelated, at that image size I thought her fist was the head of a dinosaur at first glance.
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Honestly, my main issue with Marisa is that, when you compare her with Zangief, she somehow looks disproportionate (especially her head) even though Zangief is even more of a muscle balloon.
My guess is that her body build is a tad more realistic, meanwhile even SF6 Zangief is rather cartoonish, so as a result the uncanny valley suddenly kicks in.
They should've made Marisa even more of a brick wall, that would've made her a tad less odd looking.
My guess is that her body build is a tad more realistic, meanwhile even SF6 Zangief is rather cartoonish, so as a result the uncanny valley suddenly kicks in.
They should've made Marisa even more of a brick wall, that would've made her a tad less odd looking.
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Hykal94
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All Street Fighters' physiques are exaggerated. They're not realistic, they're cartoon-like. Of course they all look off, but that's fine, it's the artstyle they're going for. Even ignoring someone like Dhalsim and his stretchiness, even 'normal' characters like Chun Li or Ken are stylised. Marisa's brick wall build and Corinthian helmet hairstyle is part of her charm.
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Oh, absolutely. I just think they didn't go far enough with her. That's my point, she looks off because in comparison to everyone else she is, somehow, more subdued and "realistic" in her build, which makes the off-ness stand out in a bad way.
Great Greedy Guts
Ceterum censeo Vigilam esse delendam.
More games should have lead characters that aren't traditionally attractive, especially female characters. We have a number of them with men (though we could use some more), but, like... Where are the fat heroines? Men are allowed to be fat and heroes, even if it's often for fatphobic reasons (haha, he's a hero but not super muscular). Fat women almost never are.
Where are the heroines with thrice-broken noses and a stare that can strip paint off the walls? Early Gears of War boxes have a pugnacious-looking man glaring at you, but when the central focus is of a woman, despite her frown you can see she has smooth skin and a more slender build. (This isn't even getting into how in things with any serious degree of stylization there's a tendency to have it look like men and women are different species.)
(I want heroes and heroines with physical deformities, too, because those are a rarity. Lead characters in wheelchairs sometimes would be nice, as well. I'm getting off topic...)
When people make lists of unattractive female MCs you get, like... Ellie from TLoU2, or Aloy from Horizon. Normal-ass looking people. I weirdoes! I want strung-out losers! I want women who look like they haven't ever heard of a spa day, let alone been on one! I want a female lead that
And I want some of them to land attractive partners, including (but not limited to) some of the properly fanservice-y men discussed earlier, because it's only fair at this point.
Where are the heroines with thrice-broken noses and a stare that can strip paint off the walls? Early Gears of War boxes have a pugnacious-looking man glaring at you, but when the central focus is of a woman, despite her frown you can see she has smooth skin and a more slender build. (This isn't even getting into how in things with any serious degree of stylization there's a tendency to have it look like men and women are different species.)
(I want heroes and heroines with physical deformities, too, because those are a rarity. Lead characters in wheelchairs sometimes would be nice, as well. I'm getting off topic...)
When people make lists of unattractive female MCs you get, like... Ellie from TLoU2, or Aloy from Horizon. Normal-ass looking people. I weirdoes! I want strung-out losers! I want women who look like they haven't ever heard of a spa day, let alone been on one! I want a female lead that
And I want some of them to land attractive partners, including (but not limited to) some of the properly fanservice-y men discussed earlier, because it's only fair at this point.
Vyslanté
The self is a prison
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Unattractive people are just, well, people.
And? Even ignoring that we're talking about characters and not people, that's not enough to make them interesting to look at. Give me a character to look at like Zosira K'Tun rather than some boringly unattractive vanilla human.
Jelleton
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I feel like you're kind of barking up the wrong tree here. People wanting unattractive characters in games and people wanting inhuman ones are two different types of issues that don't necessarily clash.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and all that.
Of course there is the also space between attractive and unattractive which isn't great but isn't an issue either.
And like, man looking at all those Granblue characters and just go "well, those are definitely guys who are in positions."
I can definitely see the appeal, and think it's good for those who like it, but I know my wallet is safe on that front because they all just look so, bland IMO.
Of course there is the also space between attractive and unattractive which isn't great but isn't an issue either.
And like, man looking at all those Granblue characters and just go "well, those are definitely guys who are in positions."
I can definitely see the appeal, and think it's good for those who like it, but I know my wallet is safe on that front because they all just look so, bland IMO.
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Maybe I'm just a lunatic but personally if a character is engaging, sympathetic, and well-written how attractive they are actually isn't that important to me. For some reason I like the character for being a character and think that diversity in body types more accurately shows the variety of people in the world, as well as potentially allowing some players to maybe connect to them better, rather than having a swarm of generally attractive people that all blend together.
If I cared about an accurate portrayal of the world, I'd just go outside; much of the appeal of games is that they aren't confined to reality.
Also I recall the reaction to Oblivion's notoriously unappealing looking characters; the reaction of the playerbase to ugly characters was to mod in better looking ones.
Also I recall the reaction to Oblivion's notoriously unappealing looking characters; the reaction of the playerbase to ugly characters was to mod in better looking ones.
camloste
just an echo
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oblivion's characters weren't ugly in the sense of a diversity of body types of people who exist, they were ugly in the sense of the uncanny valley. it's not really a rebuttal to bring up oblivion.
watch dogs legion, despite being a very flawed game, was quite neat in how many different kinds of people it represented, a real kaleidoscope. people memed about being able to play the granny but it's genuinely quite cool how that part of it came together.
watch dogs legion, despite being a very flawed game, was quite neat in how many different kinds of people it represented, a real kaleidoscope. people memed about being able to play the granny but it's genuinely quite cool how that part of it came together.
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Okay I feel a little less shitposty today and more like actually engaging so I'll explain the issue here a bit. I don't know you, I can entirely believe that you're not sexist. The issue is, that sexist structures in our society mandate that women look a certain way and achieve a certain body standard, something that is often utterly unattainable by real women in actual society. And even when it strictly isn't, it actively shuts the door to women that don't meet that standard because they are seen as "ugly" and "unacceptable". I can accept that you don't mean to do it, but you are essentially basically upholding that structure by arguing that there is something wrong or gross about body types that difer from the prefer mold. If you don't like that sort of character, like, that's fine. Nobody is going to force you to play as them, nobody actually wants to take particular body types away really. But the consistent presence of a particular body type, especially when you're arguing that people of another body type don't actually look like women (which has its own problems but we can get into that some other time) is something that needs to be pushed back against, because there is no objective reason it should be omnipresent and diversity shouldn't exist, except that women are conditioned to believe that they should have a certain kind of body by society.
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I feel like someone who was very good at gender studies sorts of things could make a really interesting argument about gender presentation in fictional characters, based on the Doylist/Watsonian divide.
From a Watsonian perspective, a character has a gender identity and an outward way in which they present themselves, like any real person.
From a Doylist perspective, a character is all presentation. They're entirely fictional. Kratos isn't actually a person; he's just a bundle of (hyper)masculine aesthetics and dialogue, to the point where there's nothing there but what the author has decided will be shown.
I'm not really sure where to take this observation, or what to do with it, but I feel like there's something to build on here.
From a Watsonian perspective, a character has a gender identity and an outward way in which they present themselves, like any real person.
From a Doylist perspective, a character is all presentation. They're entirely fictional. Kratos isn't actually a person; he's just a bundle of (hyper)masculine aesthetics and dialogue, to the point where there's nothing there but what the author has decided will be shown.
I'm not really sure where to take this observation, or what to do with it, but I feel like there's something to build on here.
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Buddy, I am familiar with the ES modding scene. You ain't gonna get away with using 'people made mods to make the characters look better*' as proof of anything on my watch.
Except maybe that a lot of Elder Scrolls players are irrepressibly horny people whose only interaction with women is TES, I guess. That one is supportable from the evidence.
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From experience with talking to both horny women and horny people of various other genders and sexualities, that is more "What companies think the appeal is" rather than how it actually is.
As in, it is actually, for the most part, false, but companies like their invented fake niches.
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Are you able to back that up with any actual evidence?
"Women care more about emotions while gay men care more about bodies" sounds like a baseless claim.
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IMHO, If you encounter anyone saying "females" instead of "women" in any context outside of porn tags or animals or something else of that nature, you can (usually) safely dismiss what they're saying about women.
Whats the logic behind making gacha games exclusively with only female characters?
The niche is very strong. When you take, say, Azur Lane or Blue Archive, the general idea is *to not* be like Genshin or FGO, as competition would...old.reddit.com
Mind you I do consider this as anecdote even citing it.
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A single reddit post from some random person somewhere is not evidence. It's not even an anecdote, because it's not someone explaining something that actually happened to them, it's literally just someone saying something they think is true without any supporting evidence.Whats the logic behind making gacha games exclusively with only female characters?
The niche is very strong. When you take, say, Azur Lane or Blue Archive, the general idea is *to not* be like Genshin or FGO, as competition would...
Mind you I do consider this as anecdote even citing it.
"Women are more emotional and men are more physical and this extends to their sexual and romantic preferences" is the most bog standard bullshit gender role nonsense.
Tithed_Verse
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Is it ok to say "female characters"?
When people tell me that woman and gay men have different prefrences with regards to the physicality of their partners, I go "that doesn't sound unreasonable"
When people tell me that women focus on the personality and gay men on the body, I go "Actually many of the gay men I know irl are bisexual-leaning-homosexual who prefer men because they've been abused by women in the past and still have trauma from it, largely because of the circles I move in. Anyway, they care a lot about personally, more than about anything else.
Many of the women I know have physical types that they like, and simply will not date a guy who does not conform to those types. These are anecdotes, but also they cleanly disprove your claim. The most likely truth is that, for all humans, physicality and personality are aspects of their desires, and that in practice it's ridiculous to attempt to separate those aspects."
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