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Adloquium said:
What would be in it?
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You remember those aliens? The special edition would be you going to their planet and just ruining everything, probably unintentionally. It'd be War of the Worlds, except you're in power armor instead of a tripod, and bringing the plague and a pile of bottlecaps instead of dying to the common cold or whatever it was.
 
I firmly believe that the Argonians counter invaded Mehrune Dagon's realm.

Now, there are counter arguments for that. Some might say it doesn't make sense, it might be An-Xileel propaganda, who might be fascistic? I dunno, I only peek into Elder Scrolls mid-level lore and the deep lore scares and confuses me, so there are a lot of details that I don't know or understand.

On the other hand, a bunch of angry lizard people counter-invading hell, looting it, and then using the stolen weapons to wage war upon their enslavers is really fucking cool and so I absolutely and without hesitation am willing to believe it.

edit: Got a name wrong.
 
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hghwolf said:
Please don't acknowledge the bullshit that is Mothership Zeta, please and thank you.
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No, no, I'm not saying acknowledge it, here. I'm saying elevate it. Make it into the latest fallout release, full blast, no holds barred, to infinity and beyond,* the whole nine yards. Go past the reasonable stopping point and don't quit until we find out what happens.

Fallout 4: Zeta Prime Special Edition. Nothing Everything can go wrong with this and it'd be terrifying amazing.

* And if you take this as saying Lightyear crossover, you'd be 100% correct.
 
Sir Bill said:
I firmly believe that the Argonians counter invaded Mehrune Dagon's realm.

Now, there are counter arguments for that. Some might say it doesn't make sense, it might be An-Xileel propaganda, who might be fascistic? I dunno, I only peek into Elder Scrolls mid-level lore and the deep lore scares and confuses me, so there are a lot of details that I don't know or understand.

On the other hand, a bunch of angry lizard people counter-invading hell, looting it, and then using the stolen weapons to wage war upon their enslavers is really fucking cool and so I absolutely and without hesitation am willing to believe it.

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Was that ever in question? The Hist Trees are strong. They ran the Oblivion Crisis like it was a RTS game, while everyone else was panicking. They activated a hive mind then micro-managed the argonians hard enough to overwhelm hell and start occupying it to loot it for magical artifacts. It's amazing and I love it. Black Marsh was always the least conquered part of the Empire. It paid its taxes and Cyrodiil agreed to not bother it, otherwise it ran itself. So it's not surprising it'd weather the Crisis pretty well.
 
Fission Battery said:
Was that ever in question? The Hist Trees are strong. They ran the Oblivion Crisis like it was a RTS game, while everyone else was panicking. They activated a hive mind then micro-managed the argonians hard enough to overwhelm hell and start occupying it to loot it for magical artifacts. It's amazing and I love it. Black Marsh was always the least conquered part of the Empire. It paid its taxes and Cyrodiil agreed to not bother it, otherwise it ran itself. So it's not surprising it'd weather the Crisis pretty well.
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Controversial opinion inspired by this: I like a lot of TES lore, the cosmology, the creation (myth?) etc... But some if it's just too out there for my taste. Such as, for example, super-powerful timelord-analogous hivemind-trees.
 
Fission Battery said:
Was that ever in question? The Hist Trees are strong. They ran the Oblivion Crisis like it was a RTS game, while everyone else was panicking. They activated a hive mind then micro-managed the argonians hard enough to overwhelm hell and start occupying it to loot it for magical artifacts. It's amazing and I love it. Black Marsh was always the least conquered part of the Empire. It paid its taxes and Cyrodiil agreed to not bother it, otherwise it ran itself. So it's not surprising it'd weather the Crisis pretty well.
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I have heard some arguments that it might actually just be propaganda. I don't remember what points they made in favor of that view, but it seemed sound enough and it came from someone who knew more about the setting than I do. But I still prefer the "counterinvaded hell" perspective, because it's cool.

But Argonians are just silly looking lizard people who have funny names.
 
The way Skyrim treats the Falmer is very bad, and I love them out of spite for it. I hope that they've taken over Skyrim when the next game comes out.


As for Ulfric: He strikes me as a very broken man, which doesn't excuse anything he's done.
 
There isn't really any reason not to believe that the Argonians invaded Oblivion. Elder Scrolls isn't really one of those settings where the Hell dimension will just dominate and you need to call in the settings equivalent of Superheroes to deal with them (in 40K this would be Space Marines for example). Mundus can and does fuck up Oblivion creatures right back when they get out of line. People can screw over Daedric lords and get away with it. (Also half the time the Daedra end up coming crying to mortals to deal with their problems anyway).

I feel like people grimdark-ify Elder Scrolls a lot. Treating the cosmology and society as if it should naturally boil down to the world being a dark and brutal place where mortals are the playthings of dark gods. And no. Not really. Elder Scolls' tone is way, way more balanced and nuanced than that. And that's literally a key element in what makes Elder Scrolls more interesting than most of the grey-brown asshole fantasy settings people tend to gravitate to.
 
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Reveen said:
People can screw over Daedric lords and get away with it. (Also half the time the Daedra end up coming crying to mortals to deal with their problems anyway).
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See Meridia, who can't even deal with one lousy necromancer in her temple without the dragonborn's assistance.

Or Mephala, who has been so thoroughly crushed she can't even see past some petty wards holding her artifact in a forgotten basement. (This reminds me I'm curious how she would react to you casually yeeting the ebony blade off the edge of the bridge in sovngarde.)
 
You have already empowered her by indulging in the act of subterfuge and secrecy. The blade will find it's way to another inquisitive soul and murder their friends to empower it
 
gyrobot said:
You have already empowered her by indulging in the act of subterfuge and secrecy.
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Not sure that daedra are empowered by acts of mortals, They act to promote their themes because they are by nature single minded.

Notably any daedra that doesn't have some manner of subterfuge intrigue or thought to their sphere tends to be incredibly easy to manipulate.
 
Daedra are immensely powerful beings of cosmic scope and degree, laws of the universe with consciousness and personality, who are more than willing to do horrific things to people if given the right opportunity.

But they rarely ever do because Mundus has a bunch of its own strange and eldritch beings batting for it, stuff like Anumidium work to hold up the framework of reality just by existing.

And there's something nice about that, how not only is not every great unknowable power out there trying to hurt you or unmake you, there's a bunch that are working to make sure that doesn't happen, and those are the ones in charge the vast majority of the time.
 
MysticBandit said:
And there's something nice about that, how not only is not every great unknowable power out there trying to hurt you or unmake you, there's a bunch that are working to make sure that doesn't happen, and those are the ones in charge the vast majority of the time.
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I'm pretty sure that's how a lot of theistic religions work.
 
Parzival said:
I'm pretty sure that's how a lot of theistic religions work.
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Yeah, well, the pop culture that generates new fantasy settings tends to be pretty atheistic, in the sense that it is not strongly informed by the cultural perspectives of the theistic religions that exist in real life.

So when someone 'reinvents' the concept of "yeah, there are paranormal Big Goods out there who are looking out for you to keep things from getting too bad," it can be refreshing as a change of pace from all the Lovecraft imitators.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Yeah, well, the pop culture that generates new fantasy settings tends to be pretty atheistic, in the sense that it is not strongly informed by the cultural perspectives of the theistic religions that exist in real life.

So when someone 'reinvents' the concept of "yeah, there are paranormal Big Goods out there who are looking out for you to keep things from getting too bad," it can be refreshing as a change of pace from all the Lovecraft imitators.
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This sounds like such fantasies would be more influenced by mythologies to me, at least by having some reference to them.
 
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