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[WH40K] - Colonizing A Peaceful Planet

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Dezron said:
That Morale bonus probalby won't be as important as you think it will. industrial projects are already pretty expensive and in some cases can take a long time to finish. It's just better to do projects that give big amount of Morale at once.
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How about a comprimise then? Something that not only offers similar beneftis but also prevents say monopolists from having too much influence. We've seen in the real world how badly things can go if industrialists and monopolists have too much power so rather we at the least mitigate those issues.
 
Red Bovine said:
How about a comprimise then? Something that not only offers similar beneftis but also prevents say monopolists from having too much influence. We've seen in the real world how badly things can go if industrialists and monopolists have too much power so rather we at the least mitigate those issues.
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There is Write-In Option that QM left us, but I have no idea what to write.
 
Thalton said:
Also this is now my fifth omake in a row, so someone else can do the next one. I'm going to go relax.
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If I can think of an idea, I'll write one. ATM all that comes to mind is the very... peculiar inquisitor I rolled using the 1d4chan inquisitor table doing inquisitor things. Which I'm not sure how interesting I can make that.
 
[x][Civilian Economy Structure]
-[x] Hey, We Can Try. (Industrialists And Company Driven - (-10% Progress cost to all Industry Actions, remove money cost/per turn, can exchange material cost with monetary expenses.))

This will make a big difrence in Industrial projects, this is gamechanger for me that will make a lot of our troubles go away.

I will also start working on Anti-Exploitation Measures next turn, if anyone is worried about that.

[x][Tauros]
-[x] Speed is life! (Speed+)

[x][Taurox]
-[x] Cram more inside! (Transport Capacity+)

[x][Unexplained Wealth Order]
-[x] Binding Requests For Explanations (-1 Morale)
-[x] Capability To Freeze Suspect Money (-2 Morale)

-[x][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
-[x] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)
 
[X][Military Armor Integration]
-[X] (specialized (auxiliary) quick response vehicles used to reinforce other units.

[X][Military Armor Integration]
-[X] doctrine changes ( for every 4 squads we have 1 of each vehicle used to transport troops and to scout)

How are these for the vehicles
 
[X][Civilian Economy Structure]
-[X] They Can Try. And Be Dunked On By Everyone Else. (Collective And Cooperative Driven - (+1 Morale to all finished Industrial Actions, +1 People cost per Industrial Action/Stage, can expend 1 Morale for 20% progress.))

I agree that the other option is better mechanically, but I'm voting narratively here.

[X][Tauros]
-[X] We don't need that. (Numbers+)

(Going to be) Lots of separated terrain to cover and relatively small areas.

[X][Taurox]
-[X] Put a cannon on that thing... (Damage+)

The problem with potential sinkholes makes me want to lessen the need for heavier armor.

[X][Military Armor Integration]
-[X] The Tauroses will be organized in specialized auxiliary formations capable of operating alongside regular formations or as an independent, but limited force.
-[X] The Tauroxes will be integrated with the existing infantry formations to make them fully mechanized.
-[X] Building on the already existing Coastal Defenders, Dive Troopers, and SharkHound Rough Riders, the Momi Military will focus on rapid deployment regardless of the numerous terrain difficulties found on the planet.

[X][Diverted Profit Tax] (What, How, When?)
-[X] A punitive tax imposed on individuals, institutions, corporations, etc. who conduct business on Momi without filing taxes with the Momi government, which includes public tax returns when applicable.
-[X] Failure to pay these high tax rates can result in a variety of further legal actions depending on the circumstances.

[X][Unexplained Wealth Order]
-[X] Binding Requests For Explanations (-1 Morale)

[X][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
-[X] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)
 
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[x][Civilian Economy Structure]
-[X] They Can Try. And Be Dunked On By Everyone Else. (Collective And Cooperative Driven - (+1 Morale to all finished Industrial Actions, +1 People cost per Industrial Action/Stage, can expend 1 Morale for 20% progress.))

E: I changed to a narrative vote here. Instead of mechanical. (I really Dislike the 1 extra People cost, But for mechanical beniefts we can use the 1 morale to do the last 20% of a project, which we would then gain 1 morale (there probably be narrative Negatives by doing that to much though))

[x][Unexplained Wealth Order]
-[x] Capability To Freeze Suspect Money (-2 Morale)

-[x][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
-[x] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)
 
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[X][Civilian Economy Structure]
-[X] They Can Try. And Be Dunked On By Everyone Else. (Collective And Cooperative Driven - (+1 Morale to all finished Industrial Actions, +1 People cost per Industrial Action/Stage, can expend 1 Morale for 20% progress.))

Write-In (Will Assign Boni As Wanted/Warranted): Lower taxes on collectively owned businesses compared to private ones, interest-free loans to viable collective startups, forcibly break up monopolies.

[X][Tauros]
-[X] We don't need that. (Numbers+)

[X][Taurox]
-[X] Put a cannon on that thing... (Damage+)

[X][Military Armor Integration]
-[X] The Tauroses will be organized in specialized auxiliary formations capable of operating alongside regular formations or as an independent, but limited force.
-[X] The Tauroxes will be integrated with the existing infantry formations to make them fully mechanized.
-[X] Building on the already existing Coastal Defenders, Dive Troopers, and SharkHound Rough Riders, the Momi Military will focus on rapid deployment regardless of the numerous terrain difficulties found on the planet.

[X][Diverted Profit Tax] (What, How, When?)
-[X] A punitive tax imposed on individuals, institutions, corporations, etc. who conduct business on Momi without filing taxes with the Momi government, which includes public tax returns when applicable.
-[X] Failure to pay these high tax rates can result in a variety of further legal actions depending on the circumstances.

[X][Unexplained Wealth Order]
-[X] Capability To Freeze Suspect Money (-2 Morale)

Confiscating suspect money seems way too abusable, but we do need to be able to prevent a suspect disappearing with all their money.

[X][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
-[X] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)
 
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[X][Tauros]
-[X] We don't need that. (Numbers+)

[X][Taurox]
-[X] Put a cannon on that thing... (Damage+)

[X][Military Armor Integration]
-[X] The Tauroses will be organized in specialized auxiliary formations capable of operating alongside regular formations or as an independent, but limited force.
-[X] The Tauroxes will be integrated with the existing infantry formations to make them fully mechanized.
-[X] Building on the already existing Coastal Defenders, Dive Troopers, and SharkHound Rough Riders, the Momi Military will focus on rapid deployment regardless of the numerous terrain difficulties found on the planet.

[X][Diverted Profit Tax] (What, How, When?)
-[X] A punitive tax imposed on individuals, institutions, corporations, etc. who conduct business on Momi without filing taxes with the Momi government, which includes public tax returns when applicable.
-[X] Failure to pay these high tax rates can result in a variety of further legal actions depending on the circumstances.

[X][Unexplained Wealth Order]
-[X] Binding Requests For Explanations (-1 Morale)

[X][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
-[X] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)
 
Bjarkob2620 said:
That "can spend 1 morale for 20% progress" sounds like something that could lead to some real bad stuff if abused, but so could massive corporations, so we should probably try to balance the two. I'm not quite sure how we should make sure the viable requirement for interest-free loans is judged fairly, but I'm thinking a low general standard of just 'is this plausibly profitable' and a cap on loan size to discourage abusing them. Balancing the taxes so we don't lose any total tax income should be easy enough, though the ratio will need to be regularly updated based on market trends. Probably less practical than the other options but will hopefully mean better conditions.
Not sure, but maybe the boni could be something like this?
-5% Progress cost to all Industry Actions, remove money cost/per turn, can exchange material cost with monetary expenses. +1 Morale to all finished Industrial Actions, +1 People cost per Industrial Action/Stage
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Dezron said:
Hey @HeroCooky waht do you think about this ?
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That would be a Law write-in for later.
The vote is not about how the government regulates and shapes the economy, but by what it is driven. The people at large at one end, with a few drivers at the other.
 
[X][Tauros]
-[X] We don't need that. (Numbers+)

[X][Taurox]
-[X] Put a cannon on that thing... (Damage+)

[X][Military Armor Integration]
-[X] The Tauroses will be organized in specialized auxiliary formations capable of operating alongside regular formations or as an independent, but limited force.
-[X] The Tauroxes will be integrated with the existing infantry formations to make them fully mechanized.
-[X] Building on the already existing Coastal Defenders, Dive Troopers, and SharkHound Rough Riders, the Momi Military will focus on rapid deployment regardless of the numerous terrain difficulties found on the planet.

[X][Diverted Profit Tax] (What, How, When?)
-[X] A punitive tax imposed on individuals, institutions, corporations, etc. who conduct business on Momi without filing taxes with the Momi government, which includes public tax returns when applicable.
-[X] Failure to pay these high tax rates can result in a variety of further legal actions depending on the circumstances.
[X][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
-[X] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale
[X][Unexplained Wealth Order]
-[X] Capability To Freeze Suspect Money (-2 Morale)
[x][Civilian Economy Structure]
-[X] They Can Try. And Be Dunked On By Everyone Else. (Collective And Cooperative Driven - (+1 Morale to all finished Industrial Actions, +1 People cost per Industrial Action/Stage, can expend 1 Morale for 20% progress.))

I don't think binding request for explanation is very good at preventing or finding out about suspect money. One is because it doesn't really have any weight behind it, they could have any explanation they want and then just keep doing it but sneakier. Their explanation doesn't really have to even explain it either and if you receive a warning every-time you are being shady then you have a warning and can quickly move the money to a safe place or be more shady. It similar to subpoena with congress you technically have to show up but without any force behind them or punishment a lot are not showing up.
 
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[x][Civilian Economy Structure]
-[x] Hey, We Can Try. (Industrialists And Company Driven - (-10% Progress cost to all Industry Actions, remove money cost/per turn, can exchange material cost with monetary expenses.))

[X][Tauros]
-[X] We don't need that. (Numbers+)

[X][Taurox]
-[X] Put a cannon on that thing... (Damage+)

[X][Military Armor Integration]
-[X] The Tauroses will be organized in specialized auxiliary formations capable of operating alongside regular formations or as an independent, but limited force.
-[X] The Tauroxes will be integrated with the existing infantry formations to make them fully mechanized.
-[X] Building on the already existing Coastal Defenders, Dive Troopers, and SharkHound Rough Riders, the Momi Military will focus on rapid deployment regardless of the numerous terrain difficulties found on the planet.

[X][Diverted Profit Tax] (What, How, When?)
-[X] A punitive tax imposed on individuals, institutions, corporations, etc. who conduct business on Momi without filing taxes with the Momi government, which includes public tax returns when applicable.
-[X] Failure to pay these high tax rates can result in a variety of further legal actions depending on the circumstances.

[X][Unexplained Wealth Order]
-[X] Capability To Freeze Suspect Money (-2 Morale)

[X][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
-[X] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)
 
[X][Civilian Economy Structure]
-[X] They Can Try. And Be Dunked On By Everyone Else. (Collective And Cooperative Driven - (+1 Morale to all finished Industrial Actions, +1 People cost per Industrial Action/Stage, can expend 1 Morale for 20% progress.))
 
[X][Civilian Economy Structure]
-[X] They Can Try. And Be Dunked On By Everyone Else. (Collective And Cooperative Driven - (+1 Morale to all finished Industrial Actions, +1 People cost per Industrial Action/Stage, can expend 1 Morale for 20% progress.))

[X][Unexplained Wealth Order]
-[X] Capability To Freeze Suspect Money (-2 Morale)

[X][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
-[X] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)

[X][Tauros]
-[X] We don't need that. (Numbers+)

 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by HeroCooky on Dec 20, 2021 at 7:19 PM, finished with 13 posts and 10 votes.
    • [x][Civilian Economy Structure]
      -[X] They Can Try. And Be Dunked On By Everyone Else. (Collective And Cooperative Driven - (+1 Morale to all finished Industrial Actions, +1 People cost per Industrial Action/Stage, can expend 1 Morale for 20% progress.))
      [x][Tauros]
      -[X] We don't need that. (Numbers+)
      [X][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
      -[x] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)
      [x][Taurox]
      -[X] Put a cannon on that thing... (Damage+)
      [X][Military Armor Integration]
      -[X] The Tauroses will be organized in specialized auxiliary formations capable of operating alongside regular formations or as an independent, but limited force.
      -[X] The Tauroxes will be integrated with the existing infantry formations to make them fully mechanized.
      -[X] Building on the already existing Coastal Defenders, Dive Troopers, and SharkHound Rough Riders, the Momi Military will focus on rapid deployment regardless of the numerous terrain difficulties found on the planet.
      [X][Diverted Profit Tax] (What, How, When?)
      -[X] A punitive tax imposed on individuals, institutions, corporations, etc. who conduct business on Momi without filing taxes with the Momi government, which includes public tax returns when applicable.
      -[X] Failure to pay these high tax rates can result in a variety of further legal actions depending on the circumstances.
      [x][Unexplained Wealth Order]
      -[x] Capability To Freeze Suspect Money (-2 Morale)
      [x][Civilian Economy Structure]
      -[x] Hey, We Can Try. (Industrialists And Company Driven - (-10% Progress cost to all Industry Actions, remove money cost/per turn, can exchange material cost with monetary expenses.))
      [x][Unexplained Wealth Order]
      -[x] Binding Requests For Explanations (-1 Morale)
      [x][Tauros]
      -[x] Speed is life! (Speed+)
      [x][Taurox]
      -[x] Cram more inside! (Transport Capacity+)
      [x][Unexplained Wealth Order]
      -[x] Binding Requests For Explanations (-1 Morale)
      -[x] Capability To Freeze Suspect Money (-2 Morale)
      -[x][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
      -[x] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)
      [X][Military Armor Integration]
      -[X] (specialized (auxiliary) quick response vehicles used to reinforce other units.
      [X][Military Armor Integration]
      -[X] doctrine changes ( for every 4 squads we have 1 of each vehicle used to transport troops and to scout)
      [x][Unexplained Wealth Order]
      -[x] Capability To Freeze Suspect Money (-2 Morale)
      -[x][Public Tax Returns] Don't Drop The Law (-3 Morale)
      -[x] Government+Court+Corporations+Voluntary (-3 Morale)
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    Update eta probably on the 30th.
     
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    • HeroCooky said:
    [x][Civilian Economy Structure]
    -[X] They Can Try. And Be Dunked On By Everyone Else. (Collective And Cooperative Driven - (+1 Morale to all finished Industrial Actions, +1 People cost per Industrial Action/Stage, can expend 1 Morale for 20% progress.))
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    I'm not even suprised that this won.

    *Insert large amount of Salt here*

    Alright I'm cool now.

    I probably will end up spending this extra Morale to speed up construction to offset People cost.
     
    For real, the point of the quest is to make a world that is actually a good place to live. It seems like it just makes sense that people prefer lore votes that accomplish. Especially since it's counter to how the rest of the Imperium tends to pick production and industry over the well being of the people.
     
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