Sun Wu Kong, Guan Yu, Ne Zha, Hannibal, Charlemagne, Musashi, and Li Kui are all at the top for me.Noooope, the other Shirou, the saint one is better. Still, you got to remember that the topic was "Which historical servant you want most?". Archer isn't historical, no matter how many nameless heroes exists in this world.
Cuchulainn is best because unlike GARcher, he at least held onto his ideals, even when everything went down the drain for him. He has a kickass NP, is honorable, sacrificed himself to save the life of a girl who he'd barely met, while taking out his murderer and burning down a castle all before he died. And unlike EMIYA, was actually recognized as hero.i know i was just disagreeing with the statement about lancer and the OP is a discussion about Fate series
his NP is super cheap, it's a spear that always strikes the heart no matter what and is cursed. plus EMIYA has it too and unlimited others. what were lancers ideals exactlyCuchulainn is best because unlike GARcher, he at least held onto his ideals, even when everything went down the drain for him. He has a kickass NP, is honorable, sacrificed himself to save the life of a girl who he'd barely met, while taking out his murderer and burning down a castle all before he died. And unlike EMIYA, was actually recognized as hero.
Ergo, he's better.
his NP is super cheap, it's a spear that always strikes the heart no matter what and is cursed.
UBW is even cheaper as a NP, just sayin'. And he actually acquired his through hard work, where as EMIYA just had to look at it and had an inferior version of it.his NP is super cheap, it's a spear that always strikes the heart no matter what and is cursed. plus EMIYA has it too and unlimited others. what were lancers ideals exactly
EMIYA had to work a lot harder to get UBW then Lancer to get Gae Bolg lancer did work hard for his too but Archer lost everyone he cared about to get his RM.UBW is even cheaper as a NP, just sayin'. And he actually acquired his through hard work, where as EMIYA just had to look at it and had an inferior version of it.
Lancer's optimistic even in the face of all the crap he had to go through in life, he values honor, he actively tries to keep his word to the point that he willingly swears magical oaths, and he's willing to sacrifice himself for what's right, as shown in UBW. What's not to like?
Did EMIYA end up being trained by the teacher he loved just so that he could kill her? Did EMIYA kill his son due to a misunderstanding? Did EMIYA kill his best friend, the one who he trained with for years? And then there's the geas that Lancer put himself under.EMIYA had to work a lot harder to get UBW then Lancer to get Gae Bolg lancer did work hard for his too but Archer lost everyone he cared about to get his RM.
Did EMIYA end up being trained by the teacher he loved just so that he could kill her? Did EMIYA kill his son due to a misunderstanding? Did EMIYA kill his best friend, the one who he trained with for years? And then there's the geas that Lancer put himself under.
And EMIYA didn't work ahrd to get UBW. He got it because he was twisted in the head, albeit in a good way.
He had Kiritsugu and Rin to teach him, for one thingI just realized this is an angst fight, no he didn't, he never got a chance to have a teacher or a son even a best friend. so he couldn't kill them the only people who were close to him were the ones in the middle of stabbing him in the back
Honestly for me it's just the lack of any build up. Unlike almost all the other characters she has no real impact in the other two routes, hell Tigra has more presences and impact!To be fair while Sakura is undeniably important in HF, there is a certain problem with her in that route.
She lacks the dynamic energy that the other heroines, indeed most of the actual heroing is handled by Ilya. Saber goes out and fights and usually does well assuming Shirou does the right thing. Rin also fights and also does the heavy lifting on figuring things out and getting stuff done. (Also that Zetta Ryouiki, Grade S indeed)
Sakura well, when she does stuff it's her super powered evil side and not actually her, so we don't get a lot of motion or agency from her. She feels passive and that's not as engaging. That said I do still like her as a character.
i would think he's more of a lancerConsidering that the Grail is corrupted and will allow me to chose non-Heroes, I'll take Vlad Dracula III as either a saber or berserker if I think I can take the mana strain.
yea but his legend is based around impaling people witch sorta use spears, granted their tree's sharpned to a pointUh... unless I missed something he primarily used a sword in combat.
yea but his legend is based around impaling people witch sorta use spears, granted their tree's sharpned to a point
Now that that's out of the way, we all agree Iskander is the best servant right?