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Type Moon General
*leans across table*
*shoves finger into Nasu's chest*
The Curious Fan
Perpetually sleep deprived
Genderbent waifus sell.
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If you want historically male people being portrayed as men then you're in the wrong series.
I thought it was more her cosplaying him, since that doesn't look at all like her outfit.
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Glob glob it Nasu and Waifu marketing....
Glob it all to heck!!
You aren't making mah' job easier, ya' thrice-Root be damned fools...!
Glob it all to heck!!
You aren't making mah' job easier, ya' thrice-Root be damned fools...!
Nobu is a joke character people liked so it sorta became serious.
Altera is... look at Extella.
Altera is... look at Extella.
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I'm curious as to whether its possible to grow magic circuits, I mean its possble to transfer them hence magic crests, but To purely grow them and graft them onto a normal person to give them a ability to do magecraft would probably piss of the association as that throws out all there special breeding programs
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Probably not possible precisely because it would break the setting. Though @daniel_gudman once raised the point (I think it was him anyway?) that the Einzbern can probably do it, but I suspect that it's expensive enough that rather than bother they'd rather just coin a new homunculus from scratch.
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If it was possible to graft magic circuits unto a normal person, the Matou family wouldn't have had to adopt Sakura.
Artificial/adding magic circuits sort of are a thing. Crest Worms for one, and in a way you can call magic crests that as well.
It is possible, but it isn't exactly worth the effort most of the time.
It is possible, but it isn't exactly worth the effort most of the time.
Enh. It doesn't have to be impossible, just secret or very expensive. Or both. The Makiri were pretty poor in addition to being ridiculously weak, after all.
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Magic Crests aren't the same as Circuits though, right? They're like preprogrammed spells and knowledge that's implanted into the heir that function as effective Magic Circuits, but aren't actually. Unless I'm misunderstanding or misremembering something.
They weren't that poor, if anything Shinji's appeal is partly that he has some money to throw around.
Still a magus family has no real future if they're in a decline like that. Generally magi try to improve upon themselves generation by generation. Selective breeding is pretty important for that, so Sakura is a way better option either way for a more successful Matou future.
Combine the fact that she has rare talents that could be passed down...
Still a magus family has no real future if they're in a decline like that. Generally magi try to improve upon themselves generation by generation. Selective breeding is pretty important for that, so Sakura is a way better option either way for a more successful Matou future.
Combine the fact that she has rare talents that could be passed down...
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It was mainly I had a idea for a thing were a character has a Stand from jojo that could perform any form of surgery as long as it had some degree of physicality so he simply read about magic circuits and made some for himself, on the note of stands I thought that the ones that deal with conceptual things are way more powerful conceptually than conceptual stuff in fate which can be broken or defeated with simply 'more dakka'
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Magic Circuits aren't actually physical things. You couldn't see them if you were to dissect a magus or something like that. They're part of the soul, not the body.
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They have some degree of physicality though, magi can't really mess with the soul though yet they can grow homunculi whose body are 75% magic circuits which imply they have some degree of physicality.
Actually, they can. That's the point of spiritual surgery, that's how things like the Command Seals were made. Servants are probably the ultimate example of this, being familiars made entirely out of Ether, which has no natural physical presence. That's why Servants can dematerialize and go through walls - it's not like they could do that in life.
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You have a point but the thing I was making was the fact that magic circutis have some degree of physical presence, and the thing is that we have 2 known examples of humans getting something better than magic circuits via merlin and bathing in dragons blood respectively.
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They really don't have any physicality though. They're inside the soul, and everything involving them involves spiritual surgery, not physical.
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They still have a physical mirror though, If i remember correctly anyway. And shirou does do the stupid thing of converting his nerves into temporary circuits so it is possible to have physical ones.
*shrug* Honestly, biscuits, this isn't the right hill to die on. A better way of making your case would be to note that Stands are borderline immaterial familiars in the first place, and argue that as Servants-alike they can grasp the immaterial. So of course with a part of yourself that can see and touch a soul you could steal someone's Magic Circuits.
My answer to that argument is that even if you successfully transplanted Magic Circuits you'd have the same problem with rejection that Magic Crests have. You'd have to find some one-in-a-million literal "soul-mate" to steal from, hope they have enough Circuits to be worth stealing from, and then even then you'd be left with a very bad case of what's essentially dysmorphic disorder. Rin gets hit with a horrible sense that her arm is not hers, rip the damn thing off right now every time she uses her Crest she has to put with it; our hypothetical Stand-user would have to live with that every moment they use magecraft, if not every moment of their life.
Which, yannow, might be a price they're willing to pay, but it's still a big deal.
(On a side note, what's up with that? Part of the lie that the Three Families spread was that the reason you need a Servant is to grasp the Grail, since you can't do it yourself. But - um, Touko, and also the Einzbern, and the Atlas Academy. It seems like... well I guess there's a sucker born every minute even among the magi, and there's plenty who think they see through half the deception and not the rest.)
My answer to that argument is that even if you successfully transplanted Magic Circuits you'd have the same problem with rejection that Magic Crests have. You'd have to find some one-in-a-million literal "soul-mate" to steal from, hope they have enough Circuits to be worth stealing from, and then even then you'd be left with a very bad case of what's essentially dysmorphic disorder. Rin gets hit with a horrible sense that her arm is not hers, rip the damn thing off right now every time she uses her Crest she has to put with it; our hypothetical Stand-user would have to live with that every moment they use magecraft, if not every moment of their life.
Which, yannow, might be a price they're willing to pay, but it's still a big deal.
(On a side note, what's up with that? Part of the lie that the Three Families spread was that the reason you need a Servant is to grasp the Grail, since you can't do it yourself. But - um, Touko, and also the Einzbern, and the Atlas Academy. It seems like... well I guess there's a sucker born every minute even among the magi, and there's plenty who think they see through half the deception and not the rest.)
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Yeah you have a point, but I curious, though I did have a few ideas on how the stand user could deal with that, mainly by messing around with pain receptors and nerves n such to deal with the common pain magi have to deal with, as my idea of the stand is just a super surgeon pretty much, it would have knowledge in all areas of the human body, and since stands are immaterial I had a thought of using it in a fight against a magi by letting them coming into range and simply slicing the spinal cord, and my main idea was instead of just stealing circuits it was instead growing circuits to be transferred into the body.
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The problem isn't really, mm, pain receptors. It's a psychosomatic thing. At the end of the day it's because your brain isn't set up for whatever new limb you've added on and even if you've tricked it into using it anyway it's going to keep insisting that that thing is not a part of you. You'd have to complete remove all feedback in order to make it work, and that would leave it nearly impossible to control - you'd explode yourself trying to case a spell "blind". The only real treatment is amputation or ... well, basically, magic. Or magecraft, at any rate. Hypnosis would probably work.
Except that that's for a mundane, physical "extraneous limb." This is a whole extra order of "other" - magi hypnotize themselves all the time but still have to deal with that sort of rejection from their Crests. The problem, if I had to guess, would be rooted in the fact that souls are you by definition, an reification of identity, and as such your soul would know it's not a part of you no matter what you did.
I have no idea how you'd go about growing circuits. No amount of surgery will convince the body to grow another finger, say, never mind an totally alien limb. That sort of manipulation is more in the regime of chemical and genetic treatments well beyond the reach of modern medical science.
Except that that's for a mundane, physical "extraneous limb." This is a whole extra order of "other" - magi hypnotize themselves all the time but still have to deal with that sort of rejection from their Crests. The problem, if I had to guess, would be rooted in the fact that souls are you by definition, an reification of identity, and as such your soul would know it's not a part of you no matter what you did.
I have no idea how you'd go about growing circuits. No amount of surgery will convince the body to grow another finger, say, never mind an totally alien limb. That sort of manipulation is more in the regime of chemical and genetic treatments well beyond the reach of modern medical science.
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Yeah maybe but we are growing organs at this point in time So I was thinking of maybe justifying it with that, that Or I could just say the stand is a master at all forms of surgery even spiritual.
Yeah, but we're growing human organs.
This would be like trying to get human stem cells to grow into a monkey tail, or a bird gizzard. It's just not going to work. You'd need some other source of magic. Maybe a transformer that could take on the shapes of Phantasmal Species, but then there's really no reason to be a magus - just go be an Elemental and enjoy your free Marble Phantasm for as long as Gaia doesn't notice.
This would be like trying to get human stem cells to grow into a monkey tail, or a bird gizzard. It's just not going to work. You'd need some other source of magic. Maybe a transformer that could take on the shapes of Phantasmal Species, but then there's really no reason to be a magus - just go be an Elemental and enjoy your free Marble Phantasm for as long as Gaia doesn't notice.
