Shirou's resolve in Prisma Illya Drei chapter 41
Mmmrgh.

I almost want to hugs this, but... dammit, I liked F/SN partly because it got away from that kind of thinking. I'm totally on Julian's side here, assuming they've at least tried to figure out the whatever without killing her (I'm just assuming from context that the plan is something like "kill Miyu, extract wish.")

Like, it sucks and part of the thing I like about Shirou is that he'll never give up trying to find a way to save everyone... but this scene reads to me like he just gave up on the world for Miyu's sake.
 
(I'm just assuming from context that the plan is something like "kill Miyu, extract wish.")
From context, they're apparently extracting a story from her, and it doesn't exactly seem like it's painless.
And Gilgamesh pointed out that one Grail won't cut it, so presumably make that "Torture two little girls to save the world"
 
Mmmrgh.

I almost want to hugs this, but... dammit, I liked F/SN partly because it got away from that kind of thinking. I'm totally on Julian's side here, assuming they've at least tried to figure out the whatever without killing her (I'm just assuming from context that the plan is something like "kill Miyu, extract wish.")

Like, it sucks and part of the thing I like about Shirou is that he'll never give up trying to find a way to save everyone... but this scene reads to me like he just gave up on the world for Miyu's sake.
But a core theme in Fate, especially post Fate/Zero, has been the debate and struggle between the means and the results of saving the world. Is it worth saving the world if the path to getting there is forged from evil? Is it really salvation if it's forged from damnation? How does travelling down such a path affect a person, and is it worth the cost and suffering it causes?

And even then, back in F/SN there's always been the not-so-undercurrent that such a worldview is insane and outside the scope of a normal person, to the point that you can't be a normal person if you're going whole hog into it. Shirou's fucked up, Kerry's a broken shell of a man who's never fully grown up at heart, Amakusa's so into saving humanity as a whole that he's willing to just throw as many people into the grinder to get it down, and does anything really need to be said about Twice?

Of these four, two are the antagonists while the other two have to struggle as their viewpoints and methods are put through the meat grinder that is reality. There's another example in Mahoyo where Touko's appalled by Aoko's casual timeline dickery that's accelerating entropy massively all to save her boy-toy while Aoko goes 'Lol I'll deal with it later, bitch', but since Mahoyo's not fully translated I'll leave it out. Oh, and there's Siegfried who's life was unfulfilled because he did everything for the sake of others and not go for his own personal dreams and wants.

Nasu's always been big on highlighting the transience and the personal scope of man as the better aspects of man as a whole. Pretty much all his works carry this to varying levels; hell, even his D&D character (or whatever system Red Dragon runs on) is basically the consistent themes and aspects of his writing distilled into a single character. This shouldn't be all that shocking; hell, I was wondering when it'd pop up at this point, same as I am with Strange Fake.
 
Nasu's always been big on highlighting the transience and the personal scope of man as the better aspects of man as a whole. Pretty much all his works carry this to varying levels; hell, even his D&D character (or whatever system Red Dragon runs on) is basically the consistent themes and aspects of his writing distilled into a single character. This shouldn't be all that shocking; hell, I was wondering when it'd pop up at this point, same as I am with Strange Fake.
From what little I've seen of Red Dragon, it seems to be a D20 homebrew.
 
I kinda figured, though I haven't seen or heard anything more about the mechanics of it beyond that assumption. IIRC a splatbook was gonna be released, but it's been a long time since I heard that.
I recall seeing some mentions of mechanics that share names into the D20 system, but, to be honest, it really could be anything.

It's actually something I'm kinda itching to see. I want it to make it out.
 
I recall seeing some mentions of mechanics that share names into the D20 system, but, to be honest, it really could be anything.

It's actually something I'm kinda itching to see. I want it to make it out.
I just wanna see how the mechanics line up that let Swallow do that disgusting ~600 damage in a single strike. I mean, the gist of it is basically him critting with his curse and black blade for [12d10+(str*3)]*3, but it'd be actually interesting to see how the mechanics and character abilities lead to that point.
 
I am extremely confused.
Red Dragon was the homebrew TRPG that Nasu and his slumber party buddies made up and played a campaign in that eventually got turned into an anime and story and stuff. Notable players include Gen as the Edgelord Chaotic Asshole teammate who betrays the party, Nasu as the min-max'd but adherent to IC idiot fighter, Narita as the zany race item whore, and a couple other characters that nobody cares about because Swallow (Nasu) and Lou (Uro) basically steal all the spotlight. Despite Nasu doing his damnedest to avoid it.

At least, it looks like that because all everyone who talked about Red Dragon and could actually read it universally agreed that they were the best. I didn't watch all the anime, which changed a few things from the game, but it seems like they were the MVPs there too.

IIRC it culminates with Lou coming back from death and becoming Lord of the Damned with an army of undead and his equally evil sentient sword waifu, and Swallow ganking him hardcore with said sentient sword; which breaks because of Swallow's curse, making Lou suicide out of sheer grief and despair.
 
Really, using your "100% crit" curse to shit on the dragon end boss by ramming it with your fucking airship is metal on so many levels.
 
Really, using your "100% crit" curse to shit on the dragon end boss by ramming it with your fucking airship is metal on so many levels.
Except it becomes pure hilarity out of fail when you manage to crit fail it. Part of the reason Nasu's the best throughout the campaign was that he was constantly rolling botches and crits back to back, which makes for the best TRPG stories.
 
I'm totally on Julian's side here
Then you're the kind of person who'd kidnap a small child and murder her for the sake of stopping global warming. Congratulations, I guess?

And yes, if I were her brother or boyfriend or just a random person with a shred of decency, I'd absolutely get in your way.

I mean, your premise is that it's evil to risk or outright give up on the lives of many people when you can instead kill a few people. When did it stop being evil to kill a few people? You're just choosing degrees of evil. When do you stop? Do you balk at killing 499,999 people to save 500,001? When did morality become democratic? When did the value of life become weighted by numbers? Are two people worth more than one? Is a child worth less than an adult? How many convicted rapists add up to a school teacher or nurse? How many limbs can you amputate before a mercy-kill is the right way to go? Can you show me your working in the margins?

Why the hell should Shirou agree to let a pack of scumbags murder his little sister? Because "lives will be saved"? Fuck off with that.

Kiritsugu was a dumbass who died from a literal overdose of edge, and even he managed to work this out at some point.
 
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Part of me kinda wants Ilya's 'I WILL SAVE EVERYONE' to blow up in her face

Or Shirou showing his insanity and tossing everyone aside from Miyu aside

Anyway thinking about watching the anime based on Red Dragon. Is it any good?
 
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