Time of the Gods: Into the Amber Age
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Actually we totally didn't break our promise.
Remember our promise was to not kill anyone going fishing.
While we did kill a bunch of people none of them were fishing at the time so we totally didn't break our promise.
Pandemonious Ivy
Panties, Revolution. Big Drawers. Parachute.
Except:
1. We can't do anything until we beat the cap
2. This adds extra items to the fearbuy list, thus reducing the chances of us getting something we actually need
Pandemonious Ivy
Panties, Revolution. Big Drawers. Parachute.
I'm saying to get rid of Humanity, not necessarily for stylistic/preferential reasons, though they do play a part.
Humanity adds Leadership and Innovation to the fearbuy list. As well as another Humanity trait.
These are three things we don't need right now, when we need more Shrine, as opposed to just having to deal with not picking up Humanity on its own.
tl;dr: It adds shit to the purchase list that we don't need.
Humanity adds Leadership and Innovation to the fearbuy list. As well as another Humanity trait.
These are three things we don't need right now, when we need more Shrine, as opposed to just having to deal with not picking up Humanity on its own.
tl;dr: It adds shit to the purchase list that we don't need.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Had to make a slight fix to Aspect of the Octopus (the melee was supposed to be T2):
Okay, time to get started, we have a LOT of DE, but no ambrosia, and no avatar:
DE: 0/74
Ambrosia: 0/2
[] Plan The Seas Calm Down
-[] Bless Petitioner for Sacrifices - Expend some of your DE to empower those who come to your shrine or pray to you in exahange for more offerings. Current Skills that can be blessed: Astrology, Navigation, Perform (Trickery), Fishing, Leadership, Innovation.
--[] Expend 10 DE on petitioners for Astrology
-[] Bless Petitioner for Growth - Expend some of your DE to empower those who come to your shrine or pray to you, granting them a bounty of life-giving things. Current Skills that can be blessed: Navigation, Fishing.
--[] Expend 17 DE on petitioners for Navigation
-[] Inspire Petitioner - Expend DE to give inspiring visions and dreams to a petitioner who comes to your shrine or prays to you. At 2 Influence, Inspirations are somewhat random in their effects but are stronger than Blessings. Costs: 5 DE x2
-[] Moonlight* - The moon shines bright this night, revealing things that hide in the dark. Can cause Weird, also empowers a number of relevant actions (Astrology, Perform (Trickery), Water-element Influence Actions, etc.). Costs: 15 DE
--[] In your territory.
-[] Control Waters*** - You bend the waves to your command, directing them to rise or quiet at your leisure, to punish your enemies, or reward your friends. Costs: 4 DE x3
--[] Calm Seas. x3
-[] Despise Trait - You do not like how the mortals view you and your powers. Remind them what you truly represent and how you truly are! Costs: (Must reserve no destructive acts associated with the forgotten trait)
--[] Despise Ocean Affinity - Waves
-[] Temporary (Dispersed only): Call to Saiga from beyond. Costs: 10 DE
--[] Aid in Restoring Avatar (Pool Husband's Ambrosia next turn)
Basically, cycle DE with blessings/inspirations, and ask Saiga to help us reform next turn(he should have the ambrosia capacity, and our Calm Waters blessing should make his blessings more powerful as well). Blessing Growth heavily to restore the damage, and Blessing Moon Astrology to see if our mortals can make sense of what happened.
Despising Waves because:
1) It's easy as hell to get back. We just need to throw Roils around and it'd shoot up the fearbuy list. On the other hand, Humanity is harder to get, and at least some of us want their merfolk/octopusmen, which takes Humanity to accomplish
2) We have no use for it at present, if we Roil anymore at this point we're going to run out of population to impress.
3) It's not a tiered trait, which means unlike Humanity, it's not going to roll itself and upgrade quietly. It's going to explode us when we add Tides.
@Powerofmind
Does Moonlight buff Navigation? It does seem easier to navigate at night with a clear moon.
DE: 0/74
Ambrosia: 0/2
[] Plan The Seas Calm Down
-[] Bless Petitioner for Sacrifices - Expend some of your DE to empower those who come to your shrine or pray to you in exahange for more offerings. Current Skills that can be blessed: Astrology, Navigation, Perform (Trickery), Fishing, Leadership, Innovation.
--[] Expend 10 DE on petitioners for Astrology
-[] Bless Petitioner for Growth - Expend some of your DE to empower those who come to your shrine or pray to you, granting them a bounty of life-giving things. Current Skills that can be blessed: Navigation, Fishing.
--[] Expend 17 DE on petitioners for Navigation
-[] Inspire Petitioner - Expend DE to give inspiring visions and dreams to a petitioner who comes to your shrine or prays to you. At 2 Influence, Inspirations are somewhat random in their effects but are stronger than Blessings. Costs: 5 DE x2
-[] Moonlight* - The moon shines bright this night, revealing things that hide in the dark. Can cause Weird, also empowers a number of relevant actions (Astrology, Perform (Trickery), Water-element Influence Actions, etc.). Costs: 15 DE
--[] In your territory.
-[] Control Waters*** - You bend the waves to your command, directing them to rise or quiet at your leisure, to punish your enemies, or reward your friends. Costs: 4 DE x3
--[] Calm Seas. x3
-[] Despise Trait - You do not like how the mortals view you and your powers. Remind them what you truly represent and how you truly are! Costs: (Must reserve no destructive acts associated with the forgotten trait)
--[] Despise Ocean Affinity - Waves
-[] Temporary (Dispersed only): Call to Saiga from beyond. Costs: 10 DE
--[] Aid in Restoring Avatar (Pool Husband's Ambrosia next turn)
Basically, cycle DE with blessings/inspirations, and ask Saiga to help us reform next turn(he should have the ambrosia capacity, and our Calm Waters blessing should make his blessings more powerful as well). Blessing Growth heavily to restore the damage, and Blessing Moon Astrology to see if our mortals can make sense of what happened.
Despising Waves because:
1) It's easy as hell to get back. We just need to throw Roils around and it'd shoot up the fearbuy list. On the other hand, Humanity is harder to get, and at least some of us want their merfolk/octopusmen, which takes Humanity to accomplish
2) We have no use for it at present, if we Roil anymore at this point we're going to run out of population to impress.
3) It's not a tiered trait, which means unlike Humanity, it's not going to roll itself and upgrade quietly. It's going to explode us when we add Tides.
@Powerofmind
Does Moonlight buff Navigation? It does seem easier to navigate at night with a clear moon.
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Damn. So no vertical upgrades at all?
Does that mean optimal play would have us pick us e.g. Water followed by Sea followed by Ocean and then have us drop the first two - or do lower-level traits boost the power of the higher level traits somehow?
I guess my problem is that it get tricky to see what the mechanical difference between closely-related elemental affinities will be, and this ruling suggests that we should be dropping elemental traits which provide too much overlap with what we've got already.
Pandemonious Ivy
Panties, Revolution. Big Drawers. Parachute.
1. I support everything up until Waves. Waves doesn't add extra options to the fearbuy that we 'need' to avoid. Humanity does.
2. I don't think we need to restore our avatar this soon. Honestly, I think we're better off waiting and trying to up our shrine by doing minimalistic actions and hoping for the best, so we don't have to fret over exploding again.
Caught a thing; I think this should be 0/2.
Also a reminder that the moonbeam is still pending; disregard if it is already on your to-do list.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Is that additive with our previous disguise abilities?
@veekie - I definitely don't want to despise Waves, and will vote against any plan that does it.
Anyway, weren't you just saying (last turn) that we should hold off on despising a trait while at cap so that we can get Attribute increases more easily? Shouldn't that still apply this turn? Actually, shouldn't it apply more, since we have less to lose now that our Avatar has gone poof?
Anyway, weren't you just saying (last turn) that we should hold off on despising a trait while at cap so that we can get Attribute increases more easily? Shouldn't that still apply this turn? Actually, shouldn't it apply more, since we have less to lose now that our Avatar has gone poof?
Pandemonious Ivy
Panties, Revolution. Big Drawers. Parachute.
Good points, especially pertinent since this was reasoning I had during the last voting period.
Mechanically I think we're supposed to look for Rituals to upgrade our inherent elemental traits or add to them.
Like:
-Inherent Water is relatively weak, but broad. It covers all water, in all it's forms. It has some conceptual conflict with Fire and Earth, but not so strongly that we cannot overcome that threshold and get it.
-Inherent Sea/Ocean are by contrast, stronger, but narrower. It defines itself by the water in the SEA, which removes Rivers and Rain from direct influence in exchange for massive bitchin waves. It is more strongly defined by it's contrast with Land, so I suspect if we upgrade to Inherent Ocean, Earth and Land traits are much more strongly forbidden, and likely our ability to wander on land will grow more limited.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
So long as it's appropriate, it buffs it. Moonlight isn't super effecting for fishers (who tend to fish on the long-day period of the year).
Lower tier elemental traits do provide notable increases to the strength of their associated elemental powers. If you were to pick up ocean and tide, you could start dropping actual tidal waves on the island that could cause damage up to a mile or so inland.
Good catch. And moonbeam was already rolled in (it's the Minor Legend immediately after your astrology check).
Not quite additive, but having two does give you a greater bonus and unlock certain traits.
Pandemonious Ivy
Panties, Revolution. Big Drawers. Parachute.
[] Minimizing the Aftermath V.2
[] Bless Petitioner for Sacrifices - Expend some of your DE to empower those who come to your shrine or pray to you in exahange for more offerings. Current Skills that can be blessed: Astrology, Navigation, Perform (Trickery), Fishing, Leadership, Innovation.
--[] Expend 10 DE on petitioners for Astrology
[] Bless Petitioner for Growth - Expend some of your DE to empower those who come to your shrine or pray to you, granting them a bounty of life-giving things. Current Skills that can be blessed: Navigation, Fishing.
--[] Expend 17 DE on petitioners for Navigation
[] Inspire Petitioner - Expend DE to give inspiring visions and dreams to a petitioner who comes to your shrine or prays to you. At 2 Influence, Inspirations are somewhat random in their effects but are stronger than Blessings. Costs: 5 DE x2
[] Moonlight* - The moon shines bright this night, revealing things that hide in the dark. Can cause Weird, also empowers a number of relevant actions (Astrology, Perform (Trickery), Water-element Influence Actions, etc.). Costs: 15 DE
--[] In your territory.
[] Control Waters*** - You bend the waves to your command, directing them to rise or quiet at your leisure, to punish your enemies, or reward your friends. Costs: 4 DE x3
--[] Calm Seas. x3
[] Build a Shrine - Bully, threaten, persuade, or cajole mortals into building a shrine to your magnificence. Maximum shrines 0/2. x2
There.
[] Bless Petitioner for Sacrifices - Expend some of your DE to empower those who come to your shrine or pray to you in exahange for more offerings. Current Skills that can be blessed: Astrology, Navigation, Perform (Trickery), Fishing, Leadership, Innovation.
--[] Expend 10 DE on petitioners for Astrology
[] Bless Petitioner for Growth - Expend some of your DE to empower those who come to your shrine or pray to you, granting them a bounty of life-giving things. Current Skills that can be blessed: Navigation, Fishing.
--[] Expend 17 DE on petitioners for Navigation
[] Inspire Petitioner - Expend DE to give inspiring visions and dreams to a petitioner who comes to your shrine or prays to you. At 2 Influence, Inspirations are somewhat random in their effects but are stronger than Blessings. Costs: 5 DE x2
[] Moonlight* - The moon shines bright this night, revealing things that hide in the dark. Can cause Weird, also empowers a number of relevant actions (Astrology, Perform (Trickery), Water-element Influence Actions, etc.). Costs: 15 DE
--[] In your territory.
[] Control Waters*** - You bend the waves to your command, directing them to rise or quiet at your leisure, to punish your enemies, or reward your friends. Costs: 4 DE x3
--[] Calm Seas. x3
[] Build a Shrine - Bully, threaten, persuade, or cajole mortals into building a shrine to your magnificence. Maximum shrines 0/2. x2
There.
Yep!
We killed a whole bunch of people in the village. None at sea!
Excellent points. Persuaded to drop Despising so that we can push that Shrine up a bit more for breathing room.
Pandemonious Ivy
Panties, Revolution. Big Drawers. Parachute.
None of the voting options seem to give any hints. Hmmm. Good question.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
See @veekie? Now it benefits our build. C:
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Currently I think we should try growing our populatio with regular blessings for the next few turns, since low pop mod hurts future DE income poorly.
And maybe find a way to merge the traits or someth.
I think we need to grab Mysticism somehow, and plan out rituals.
And maybe find a way to merge the traits or someth.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Rituals. 12 DE. Fire the shotgun into the sky and hope a pellet hits something you can use.
Pandemonious Ivy
Panties, Revolution. Big Drawers. Parachute.
Note to self: Once we're stabilized enough, start spamming Past Reading actions to figure out what the fuck is going on
Hmm, so following cases:
Bless Petitioner for Sacrifices
-Astrology, Yes
-Navigation, Yes
-Perform (Trickery), Yes
-Fishing, No
-Leadership, No
-Innovation, No
Bless Petitioner for Growth
-Navigation, No
-Fishing, No
Inspire Petitioner
-Astrology, Yes
-Navigation, Yes
-Trickery, Yes
Which is to say:
-Blessing Navigation for Sacrifices is basically Blessing for Glory. They sacrifice to us to seek new places, treasures, islands, or fishing grounds. Basically to show off, so Moon buffs it, since the clear shining moon allows them to range further and safer.
-Blessing Navigation for Growth is basically Blessing for Necessities. They sacrifice to us to be able to navigate rocky shoals, fish and come home in the day. The Moon does basically nothing in this situation.
-Inspired Navigation is basically someone dreaming of a treasure of the seas and then sailing out there. Good for founding new villages and the like.
Am I right?
Jeez.
Though that would be good for fear glut and kicking over enemy targets, that sounds hilariously expensive. And also liable to wipe out the target audience after one big hurrah of fear.
That is exactly the plan I want to do, so you will have my vote(and I can actually get some sleep!)
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