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Tiberium Storm (A Mass Effect and Command and Conquer AU Xover)

Do you guys want Turn 1 to take place at 2112 or 2152 like in canon?

  • 2112

    Votes: 44 93.6%

  • 2152

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .
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And also note that Nod stealth tech can still be bypassed by detecting tiberium(In tiberium twilight, if the Nod player decides to use any cloaked Nod unit with liquid tiberium cores. I would not be surprised to see that the GDI has reverse engineered that tech from the Scrin)
This means that at the minimum it is unlikely that the Citadel can get viable tiberium samples at all.
 
Durabys said:
If you think the Salarians will be using mostly stealth tech to get to you, I have a bridge to sell you. Most Salarian espionage is personal inteligence and subversion. Not electronic.
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That is true but there is no way they are not running into a few problems with that. Frist cultural scars and memories can be a bitch, second do you not think GDI is at lest the older ones recall Kane and his shit?, and third Kane him self.
 
gale said:
Are we even sure Legion is dead? Because I can see him pulling Kane.
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At the rnd of Kane's Wrath he merged with the Tacitus and became the Rosetta Stone needed to read all the data for Kane's ascension program.

It not said if he is still around in C&C 4 if memory serves since we don't know if fusing with the Tacitus made him functionally Braindead since he became the new storage for it or if he went with Kane.
 
cryptoam said:
Yep. There will likely be multiple layers protecting earth, each being redundant and separate(some are likely extremely classified and kept off any networks).
Some of those layers are likely going to be outside of the system(eg at the other end of the gate to Earth to say the least).
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InOps probably have a department in the police fleet just for this purpose
gale said:
Are we even sure Legion is dead? Because I can see him pulling Kane.
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I think Legion was brought with Kane and become Nod's battlefield AI.
Durabys said:
I do not know why the people in-thread think that they will be able to trump and prevent the Salarian STG that has three millennia of cross-specie and cross-culture espionage from acquiring Tiberium samples and TCN blueprints. I really do not know why you think this.
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Easiest way to do it is to keep the Sol system off limits to non-humans.
Durabys said:
You do not deny the Council by being thick-headed arrogant, you deny the Council by getting them on board with the idea that Tiberium must not leave Earth at any cost by giving them something in turn.

You can start from the jump-off point of Tiberium's existence breaking like all the laws in the Citadel and Farixen treaties on WMD's R&D and usage: It is a self-replicating VN machine. There are actual canon sources about the treaties that talk about such tech.

What you need is getting the Salarians on board in making sure anyone in the Galaxy (like someone using the Shadow Broker) won't be getting Tib on their hands. IF you get the STG to play whack-a-mole together with InOps, no one is getting Tiberium. Ever.
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GDI doesn't trust the council initially, and they are "self-righteous to a fault" and think that they can do it by themselves. Once they learn more about Citadel history, or have EVA covertly infiltrate the Extranet and give a report on the entire situation. Then they'll be more likely to share at least warn them on how dangerous Tib is by playing up the threat of it being a WMD and a resource gathering tool for the Scrin.
 
kelgar04 said:
At the rnd of Kane's Wrath he merged with the Tacitus and became the Rosetta Stone needed to read all the data for Kane's ascension program.

It not said if he is still around in C&C 4 if memory serves since we don't know if fusing with the Tacitus made him functionally Braindead since he became the new storage for it or if he went with Kane.
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Great Kane has access to that thing fuck, that is a mess waiting to happen.
 
kelgar04 said:
At the rnd of Kane's Wrath he merged with the Tacitus and became the Rosetta Stone needed to read all the data for Kane's ascension program.

It not said if he is still around in C&C 4 if memory serves since we don't know if fusing with the Tacitus made him functionally Braindead since he became the new storage for it or if he went with Kane.
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Having a computer merge with what is essentially a flash drive, doesn't result in just big flash drive.
 
Warmach1ne32 said:
Having a computer merge with what is essentially a flash drive, doesn't result in a big flash drive
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Ture also It a really big alien flash driven still though GDI should still have access to some of it since I think prior to C&C 4 Kane shared the Data with GDI which allowed them to build the TCN.

Though how much of it is actually readable is anyone's guess.
 
kelgar04 said:
Ture also It a really big alien flash driven still though GDI should still have access to some of it since I think prior to C&C 4 Kane shared the Data with GDI which allowed them to build the TCN.
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Kane probably just shared the file that contains the TCN to GDI and hid all of the good stuff to himself. I think it is filled with all manner of Scrin tech.
 
Warmach1ne32 said:
Kane probably just shared the file that contains the TCN to GDI and hid all of the good stuff to himself. I think it is filled with all manner of Scrin tech.
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Makes sense but given he and his core follower base seems to have vanished with Ascension and we have no idea where the files could actually be for all we know it could be hidden in an old nod blacksite.

Or maybe the InOps pubilc wash room that or he took them with him when he vanished.
 
Warmach1ne32 said:
EVA covertly infiltrate the Extranet and give a report on the entire situation.
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Yeah. The Citadel has been playing whack-a-mole with AI for nearly 3000 years and managed to do a fine job of not getting eaten by paperclip maximizers. Asari and Salarians are going to detect EVA. And we will have to explain shit.
 
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Durabys said:
Yeah. The Citadel has been playing whack-a-mole with AI for nearly 3000 years and managed to do a fine job of not getting eaten by paperclip maximizers. Asari and Salarians are going to detect EVA.
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Isn't EVA more of a stupidly advanced VI than an AI when compare to CABAL and LEGION.


Hehe oh the council is going to have some kind of attack when they find out about CABAL and LEGION?
 
kelgar04 said:
Isn't EVA more of a stupidly advanced VI than an AI when compare to CABAL and LEGION.


Hehe oh the council is going to have some kind of attack when they find out about CABAL and LEGION?
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Yes.

I am not arguing to bow down to the Council. I am arguing about trying to work with them.
Warmach1ne32 said:
I remember they missed an AI at a CItadel gambling den in ME1
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There are millions of such instances happening around Citadel space each year. We hear nothing of them. Because they get murdered by the STG somewhere along the line.

I fucking hope you are not making the Council having idiot!ball here.
 
kelgar04 said:
Makes sense still though with the Scein you said they fear the Reapers they ran into them before I take it? Or have they observed several Cycles?
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I think they had been nearly annihilated by Reapers before and only survived because they can put themselves in Stasis and just need Tiberium to sustain themselves. In short they outlasted the Invasion, the side effect is that they now need Tiberium to live and now that they know about the Reapers they stay as far away from active relays that they could find and seed garden worlds that don't have Relays in them.
kelgar04 said:
is going to have some kind of attack when they find out about CABAL and LEGION?
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CABAL is a cyborg not an AI but it did try to exterminate humanity like what happened to the Quarians. I'll need a refresher on what LEGION is but I think Legion would scare the council especially with Nod as support.
Durabys said:
I fucking hope you are not making the Council having idiot!ball here.
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Have a little faith. I know I wouldn't enjoy a quest if everything is easy. I also don't like seeing idiots doing dumb stuff on screen.
 
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Warmach1ne32 said:
CABAL is a cyborg not an AI but it did try to exterminate humanity like what happened to the Quarians. I'll need a refresher on what LEGION is but I think Legion would scare the council especially with Nod as support.
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EVA unit taken by NOD and modified for Legion, and CABAL was not always a cyborg it was once a EVA unit as well.
 
Eh, there are so many methods that honestly, that shouldn't come into play here.
 
Staff Notice: Let's cool it down a bit with the combative way of debating.
Void Stalker said:
And will we have the Construction Mats to build the housing next turn when subterranean building is more expensive?

There is 0 reason to add more construction actions when we are unlikely to be able to use our existing 4 next turn. More so unless something changes we are looking at far less than 5k Mats to start next turn
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Yes we will because we are getting more materials from both the woods and the mines. And Housing will not be built underground yet anyways so any cost increase doesn't matter.
Phant0m5 said:
You say that as if ceramics aren't the basis of real life military armour already. Some of our best bulletproof glass, "transparent aluminum" AlON, is a ceramic. What, did you think they were going into battle wearing pottery?

Need I remind you: a quarian was shot with a sniper rifle that hit so hard it spun her so hard it disintegrated her kneecap. That has left the realm of what is actually, physically possible with small arms in conventional physics, because recoil is a thing and the recoil from that would be like getting run over by a truck. Without eezo, that's the realm of mounted weapons and cannons.

But the armour stopped it. It her her shoulder, but she lost the leg, not the arm.

And that wasn't heavy duty power armour or a mech suit. It was a normal Quarian hardsuit, albeit armored.

So please explain to me why using ceramics inherently makes them inferior somehow, again?

Ultimately, I think the armour being roughly equal seems fair. Though I wasn't aware the GDI had developed a super metal, but it wouldn't really surprise me either.
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And you missed my point completely. The armor I am talking about is the ship armor I don't give a shit about infantry units. Because their ship armor is literally made up of a big part of ceramics designed to dissipate energy and heat not to resist a shot.

@Warmach1ne32 I have a lot to say about your answers but I don't care enough since you are only working on the small scale I will let it go. But I really hope you fix the issues before you try for a larger setting because you have set up the GDI to be way too weak without author plot armor to be a useful counter to the Reapers.
 
Warmach1ne32 said:
GDI doesn't trust the council initially, and they are "self-righteous to a fault" and think that they can do it by themselves. Once they learn more about Citadel history, or have EVA covertly infiltrate the Extranet and give a report on the entire situation. Then they'll be more likely to share at least warn them on how dangerous Tib is by playing up the threat of it being a WMD and a resource gathering tool for the Scrin.
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The Citadel has actual laws that cover Tiberium.

It's for all intents and purposes Grey Goo.

And when not flanderizing them, the Citadel will happily accept that Sol is fucking off-limits to everyone and even the STG will be leery of trying to go there and risking spreading that shit.

Specific agreements will probably hammered out later. Probably letting Citadel scientists study Tiberium. But only remotely with no chance to get into contact with it.
 
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