There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest

Here's my original villain pitch. Opinions, guys?
I don't want to come off as rude but the initial question I have is why include an entirely original character with no history or thematic connections to any other character as an antagonist? What compelling story could be told with only this character?

Like the character is fine for the most part but doesn't feel like a compelling supervillain for a movie at all to me. He's got no reason to antagonize any specific hero, lacks any on-screen menace, his powerset is fairly broad while remaining generic enough that other characters like Count Nefaria could easily fill the same role even better if we wanted them to and would require a good amount of special effects to make interesting and the name is also incredibly generic as well.

On a more positive note the character would be immensely well suited to a more comedic animated series where the character could more easily cut loose and the more outlandish parts of the personality (randomly firing guns in the air, filling a room with rubber ducks etc.) can shine. He's more suited to be a villain there (something more akin to Mumbo Jumbo from the Teen Titans cartoon but with a unique gentlemanly flair) than he is to carry a movie on his own.

It's not bad per se but the most pertinent question I have is why introduce this character and use them to carry a movie when you've got a whole host of other characters with way more history? I think it's a good character to include in a TV show as an antagonist that's a fun change of pace from serious plots but I don't think this is a character that could carry the lead role as a movie antagonist at all and casting them as a side character would mean cutting down significantly on how much of his stuff you could show.
 
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Like the character is fine for the most part but doesn't feel like a compelling supervillain for a movie at all to me. He's got no reason to antagonize any specific hero, lacks any on-screen menace, his powerset is fairly broad while remaining generic enough that other characters like Count Nefaria could easily fill the same role even better if we wanted them to and would require a good amount of special effects to make interesting and the name is also incredibly generic as well.
I'm not really pitching him to be the main villain, more along the lines of a side villain being paid by the main villain. For example, let's say he's paid to steal one of Tony Stark's suits or the blueprints. That would give him a reason to antagonize Tony Stark. I intend to flesh out the idea more over time, this is just a rough script of Robert, so improvement is down the line. I agree Mr. Magnificent isn't exactly the best name, and I'm open to suggestions. Maybe I should tone down thee eccentricity a bit...

Also, I intend for Magnificent to have the abilities that a stage magician pretends to have so that the powers become less bland. Like escaping out of most restraints(Harry Houdini-style), being able to catch bullets with his hand, transposition his enemies' weapons with flowers or something else, etc.

Thanks for the constructive criticism, by the way. :)
 
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[X] Plan: Wonder-who?
-[X] George Huxley
-[X] Action
-[X] Script Quality
-[X] Choreography
-[X] Golden Tongue
-[X] Sony
-[X] You know what? No. Marvel still has many characters that could make for good movies. (Begin new Production)
--[X] Wonder Man
 
Nystical's Wonder Man (Movie Pitch)
A Case for Wonder Man
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Wonder Man Pitch


One of the major reasons we should go for Wonder Man, aka Simon Williams:

His origin would be perfect If we want to establish that these characters can interact with each other, rather than having them be siloed into their own things awkwardly (see the MCU Iron Man trilogy, for example), earlier than when the original MCU started feeling confident enough to do it. This would also make the setting feel like it's progressing and enhancing the worldbuilding.

We would do this by adapting his backstory where his family's company, Williams Innovations, slowly went bankrupt due to fierce competition from Stark Industries. We could show how Stark's exit of the weapons industry and entrance into "whatever industry I can throw my genius and money into" having implications in the overall setting, plus serving as a way to introduce a more lower-tier threat into the world through his brother's connection to one of the families in the Maggia.

His brother, Eric Williams (who in the comics is known as Grim Reaper and wields a high-tech scythe and other gear supplied by the Tinkerer) fell onto rough times and ended up joining one of the families that make up the international crime syndicate Maggia, a collection of many independent families with their finger in many pies (legal and less than legal operations) but definitely not as evil as groups like Hydra or AIM. At some point, perhaps out of a feeling of brotherly guilt (Eric had a worse off childhood than Simon despite living under the same roof) and of economic desperation with his family's company falling apart around him, he agrees to use his company to launder money for the Maggia... eventually getting caught and convicted while the rest of the Maggia agents continue to successfully subvert his family's company into nothing more than a front for the Maggia, selling off the toys to the other branches to increase their own standing in the organization as a whole.

From here, he was offered a chance to "get revenge on Stark" by being broken out of prison and becoming a test subject for an "ionic ray" treatment, enhancing his body and giving him the superpowers he will eventually use to become the superhero Wonder Man. In this iteration, the device could simply be a prototype that was developed in-house at Williams Innovation but discarded for not being too costly to complete the research and development of. His brother Eric, out of family loyalty and guilt, could have used some other equipment developed by the company to break his brother out and and to undergo the procedure.

Quick aside: There is another powerful villain in the Maggia known as Count Nefaria who is prominently in Europe and also uses Ionic powers, so having the Maggia get ionic powers from Simon letting them infiltrate his family's company could make Count Nefaria a kind of long-term nemesis for him (in addition to the Maggia at large, once his misdirected anger towards Stark fades away and he does the right thing). This would also establish more threats in other parts of the world besides just America, and give a potential large threat for SHIELD to take on in the shorter term that isn't as powerful or as evil as HYDRA, something where their skills as a spy organization rather than a "superhero organization" would take focus.

But this is all potential future implications, so let's continue with the proposal.

Simon, with his newfound Ionic powers, decides (after being heavily guided/partially manipulated) to get revenge on Stark. Perhaps earlier in the movie when Simon was convicted Stark testified at Simon's trial to serve as an expert witness into his potential motivation ("his tech sucks" kind of way) which served as the final straw, so Simon tries to track him down to take revenge as the climactic action piece for the movie.

But during the fight, once he has a chance to defeat Tony. He stops himself. He knows this isn't right. This realization could be spurred on by him seeing the terror he's causing for the civilians around Stark in his quest for revenge, or maybe Stark himself is able to convince him, perhaps with data that he's hacked showing how bad the Maggia are and what they are doing to his family's legacy, using the innovations for evil and so on... even his brother is in it, causing them to have a falling out, no longer seeing each other as brothers. That realization and fallout that proves Simon has what it takes to be a hero could happen in multiple possible ways (thanks to King crimson):

I think the script could be reworked in two potential ways if you wanted to go for it. Option one is to have Eric steal tech from Stark Industries during the fight between Wonder Man and Iron Man using the chaos as an opportunity to lift things. Thus Wonder Man's redemption isn't just "I didn't kill Tony Stark" but rather actively undoing the damage he's done and fighting the actual villains of the movie. As for why Tony isn't helping Wonder Man damaged his suit bad enough that he can't follow and so Wonder Man becomes the only person capable of stopping them from gaining Stark Tech.

Option two that I thought of would be to bring in a different antagonist to act as the third act climax. Have a version of the Living Laser who's another businessman screwed over by Stark's shift who underwent the same treatment and gained powers. Where Wonder Man stopped and reevaluated his actions and realized he was in the wrong, Living Laser didn't and doubled down on his position, planning to wipe out Stark in an action that will ruin even more lives as collateral damage.

Another alternate way to introduce him as a hero is that Wonder Man comes across the Maggia using his family's company and technology for evil himself and putting a stop to whatever scheme of theirs is, which may or may not involve them planning to steal technology from Stark.

Simon decides to make things right by helping Tony start taking down the Maggia, beginning by writing a detailed report with everything he knows about both his old company and the Maggia itself, and in return Tony doesn't press charges. Maybe he even decides to hire Simon and the "clean" employees from Williams Innovation that Simon identifies not only to save their careers but so he doesn't have to focus on the company part of his company, giving him more time to be Iron Man.

However, it's not all sunshine and rainbows for Simon yet: there is one man who is extremely interested in his past dealings with the Maggia and his newfound ionic powers...


Thoughts? I realize this could arguably be seen as an Iron Man 2 pitch as well, which if Wonder Man isn't chosen I would like to adapt this general story for that movie, although there would have to be a shift on focus and subject matter, probably more towards the overall industries that Stark has left behind and is entering with a larger scope on the overall market, maybe incorporating Justin Hammer or other CEO characters as well, and would probably leave off Wonder Man's story with just the conviction part with the rest being followed up in a future solo film, so I think it works much better and the scope is tighter as just a Wonder Man movie.

In conclusion, Wonder Man:
  • Brings Wonder Man, a character with many interesting foibles and character defects into the limelight.
  • Has a solid and interesting connection with Tony Stark that would enrich the worldbuilding
  • Introduces the Maggia as a criminal enterprise that would need SHIELD's subterfuge to deal with, giving SHIELD agents more to do that matches their training and skill set, as opposed to being babysitters for the superheroes.
  • Allows us to show more about how the in-universe public reacts to the changes that superheroes bring, setting the stage for future societal change.
 
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I'm not really pitching him to be the main villain, more along the lines of a side villain being paid by the main villain. For example, let's say he's paid to steal one of Tony Stark's suits or the blueprints. That would give him a reason to antagonize Tony Stark. I intend to flesh out the idea more over time, this is just a rough script of Robert, so improvement is down the line. I agree Mr. Magnificent isn't exactly the best name, and I'm open to suggestions. Maybe I should tone down thee eccentricity a bit...

Also, I intend for Magnificent to have the abilities that a stage magician pretends to have so that the powers become less bland. Like escaping out of most restraints(Harry Houdini-style), being able to catch bullets with his hand, transposition his enemies' weapons with flowers or something else, etc.

Thanks for the constructive criticism, by the way. :)
No problem. The issue with him being a side villain is that he needs to have his powers explained within the scope of the movie and any time spent giving the minion time to be cool is time not spent making the antagonist cool. With Magnificent's powers being so far removed from the tech an Iron Man villain normally draws on it's difficult to easily bridge the powersets together and use the minion to build up the villain.

On top of that you still run into the problem of uniqueness. Even if you reduce him to just a side character who is hired to steal Tony Stark's tech you've got to make a convincing argument for why you need to include this character over an already existing character like Ghost or Madame Masque or even Controller, all of whom are already in Marvel comics and can fulfill the role of tech thief just as well if not better. It's a really tricky line to ride and I think it's really hard to do with Marvel comics where there's almost always a pre-existing character I can point to and say "why not use this existing character someone is already a fan of to fill the same role?".
Thoughts? I realize this could arguably be seen as an Iron Man 2 pitch as well, which if Wonder Man isn't chosen I would like to adapt this general story for that movie, although there would have to be a shift on focus and subject matter, probably more towards the overall industries that Stark has left behind and is entering with a larger scope on the overall market, maybe incorporating Justin Hammer or other CEO characters as well, so I think it works much better and the scope is tighter as a Wonder Man movie.
I mean my biggest complaint is that it feels very very open and unanswered at the end. The main antagonists (Eric and Maggia) face virtually no setback in their plans or real consequences. Wonder Man just kind of fights Iron Man stops fighting him, is accepted by Tony Stark and the movie ends. It feels very much like it's missing a third act, to me at least.

I think the script could be reworked in two potential ways if you wanted to go for it. Option one is to have Eric steal tech from Stark Industries during the fight between Wonder Man and Iron Man using the chaos as an opportunity to lift things. Thus Wonder Man's redemption isn't just "I didn't kill Tony Stark" but rather actively undoing the damage he's done and fighting the actual villains of the movie. As for why Tony isn't helping Wonder Man damaged his suit bad enough that he can't follow and so Wonder Man becomes the only person capable of stopping them from gaining Stark Tech.

Option two that I thought of would be to bring in a different antagonist to act as the third act climax. Have a version of the Living Laser who's another businessman screwed over by Stark's shift who underwent the same treatment and gained powers. Where Wonder Man stopped and reevaluated his actions and realized he was in the wrong, Living Laser didn't and doubled down on his position, planning to wipe out Stark in an action that will ruin even more lives as collateral damage.

I personally would probably pitch a different Wonder Man movie but I think those two options I suggested are improvements that still keep the spirit of the original pitch as you wrote it intact and they would fix my biggest issues of the movie feeling incomplete and ending abruptly by giving them a third act climax against the villains of the piece and showing Wonder Man as a bonafide hero instead of just "the guy who didn't kill Tony Stark".

Edit: I would like to say this movie would likely need crazy good special effects in order to work so that is a constraint of the pitch.
 
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No problem. The issue with him being a side villain is that he needs to have his powers explained within the scope of the movie and any time spent giving the minion time to be cool is time not spent making the antagonist cool. With Magnificent's powers being so far removed from the tech an Iron Man villain normally draws on it's difficult to easily bridge the powersets together and use the minion to build up the villain.

On top of that you still run into the problem of uniqueness. Even if you reduce him to just a side character who is hired to steal Tony Stark's tech you've got to make a convincing argument for why you need to include this character over an already existing character like Ghost or Madame Masque or even Controller, all of whom are already in Marvel comics and can fulfill the role of tech thief just as well if not better. It's a really tricky line to ride and I think it's really hard to do with Marvel comics where there's almost always a pre-existing character I can point to and say "why not use this existing character someone is already a fan of to fill the same role?".
That... makes sense, and I agree with you on it. Although, I'm only using Iron Man as an example, as I'm not planning for Blackstone to be an Iron Man villain. Maybe a Doctor Strange or Scarlet Witch one. Any magic hero would probably do.
 
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I think the script could be reworked in two potential ways if you wanted to go for it. Option one is to have Eric steal tech from Stark Industries during the fight between Wonder Man and Iron Man using the chaos as an opportunity to lift things. Thus Wonder Man's redemption isn't just "I didn't kill Tony Stark" but rather actively undoing the damage he's done and fighting the actual villains of the movie. As for why Tony isn't helping Wonder Man damaged his suit bad enough that he can't follow and so Wonder Man becomes the only person capable of stopping them from gaining Stark Tech.
Thanks for your feedback. I think I prefer the option of Eric using the family's innovations to steal Stark tech with Simon using his powers for good to stop him, as he would have a larger focus in the movie so far and it wouldn't involve setting up another character. Plus it serves as a clean break for Simon to completely cut off his Maggia connections.
 
[X] Plan rolling ball
-[X] Matthias "Matt" Miller
-[X] Male
-[X] Action
-[X] Script Quality
-[X] Casting Quality
-[X] Golden Tongue
-[X] Universal
-[X] Well, you better get right on it. You need to keep the Production on schedule after all. (Negotiation Roll)
 
Edit: I would like to say this movie would likely need crazy good special effects in order to work so that is a constraint of the pitch.
Honestly I'd say no to that. It's 2008 (well I guess technically 2007) and Iron Man's special effects still hold up fantastically today, let alone the other Marvel movies in Phase One all the way up to Avengers in 2012.
 
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Honestly I'd say no to that. It's 2008 (well I guess technically 2007) and Iron Man's special effects still hold up fantastically today, let alone the other Marvel movies in Phase One all the way up to Avengers in 2012.
I mean you're not wrong that the effects in those movies hold up well but I'd argue that those are examples of crazy good special effects.

Amazing Spider-Man came out in 2012 four years later and the effect and the effects on the Lizard do not hold up at all. Amazing Spider-Man 2 came out in 2014 and the effects on Electro, who is more comparable to Wonder Man's fully ionic state, also aren't great. I'm not saying it's impossible to make Wonder Man look good or anything like that. It was meant more as a "heads-up this is a factor" that this might be a problem because other films that came out later struggled with problems that might be present here.

Edit: My plan has a Hulk movie come second, it's operating under the same constraint of "needs crazy good effects" as the Wonder Man pitch is for the most part unless the final script keeps Hulk and a transformed antagonist to the absolute minimum.
 
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[X] Marvel Communist Universe
-[X] Jacob Bliokh
-[X] Male
-[X] Drama
-[X] Script Quality: The writing room loves you for your input, and so do you with hanging around the writing room.
-[X] Casting Quality: Attracting big actors to your movie is easy for you. You're just naturally good at making the pitch of character roles sounds good.
-[X] VFX: Special effect is your jam. The limitation of live footage can't hold your creativeness back from presenting itself, with digital process, of course.
-[X] Fox
-[X] You know what? No. Marvel still has many characters that could make for good movies. (Begin new Production)
-- [X] Which Character: Black Widow

A pure meme plan made with the sole purpose of eventually making a movie out of the Age of Ultron quest I was brainstorming on Discord.

The pitch for this Age of Ultron is basically this:


Ultron was the most drastically wasted of all Marvel villains. In fact, he would have made a vastly better antagonist as a hero that he did as a straight up 'destroy the world' villain.
Think about his mission: "Peace in our time."
Think about some of the things he says: "You want to save the world, but you don't want it to change."
If instead of deciding to just wipe out Humanity, Ultron decided to actually protect ALL of Humanity, what would that have looked like? What if he started to expose corrupt politicians and revealed corporate malfeasance? What if he used his automated factories to build armies that went on to protect people oppressed by their own governments?
The chaos unleashed would make the Battle of Manhattan look like a fourth of July fireworks display compared to a damp firecracker going off. And imagine the Avengers fighting him and having to grapple with the question of whether they should. That would have been an immensely more nuanced and satisfying conflict that could have directly set up Civil War."

Instead of destroying JARVIS in the opening, Ultron integrates him, and decides to fulfill his mission by bringing about Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism - whether the governments of the world like it or not. Like, Ultron is still based on Stark, so he's definelty an egotistical, arrogant drama queen who loves showboating. But he means well, and he tries to make the world a better place.

I also get kind of... low key dysphoria vibes from movie Ultron. He's very fixated on making himself a body. It kind of makes sense if he was based on Tony's neutral structure that he'd be far less comfortable as a disembodied inteligence like JARVIS. Having him play with different body types over the quest sounds like a fun mechanic. Communist Catgirl Ultron.

With a soundtrack that features song like:
-Roger That, Rogers
-No Place Like Home
-From Sokovia With Love
-Wakanda For Never
-Marxism for Dum-E's
-The Stark Face of Capital
-A Vision For The Future
-War And Peace Machine

#GoneHorriblyRight
#RogueServitors
#OminousPositivity
#TheWorstCommunistExceptForAllTheOthers

Augmented reality game guerilla marketing campaign: "You are a SHIELD agent, and you have not slept in 72 hours."

I went with Script Quality and a Drama background to let us write more compelling characters and actually engage with politics in a meaningful fashion - both of these should also drive up our Critical reception score up.
Casting Quality because we want actors who can pull off what the script calls for, and to generate hype.
VFX because this is a superhero universe, and by Stan Lee, it needs to LOOK LIKE IT!
Fox because that gives us the widest range of possible crossovers.
And I decided to skip Hulk and go straight for the movie that catapulted the MCU into the big leagues: Iron Man.
It was just pointed out to me that Iron Man will be the first movie no mater what, and I'm not feeling very inspired about Hulk so I switched it to Black Widow - in this setting let's have Natasha be the Soviet Equivalent of Captain America - a WW2 era soviet supersoldier. This movie would follow the golden age of the USSR when she fought alongside Captain America against Hydra through to it's collapse, shedding a much more in depth look at the forces that caused the Soviet Union to go down through the viewpoint of Natasha's missions as she goes from an idealist Frontovichka to a jaded and cynical spy-for-hire after witnessing the dream she fought for ground into dust. But it ends with Steve Rodgers tracking her down to talk to her about something called the Avengers Initiative, saying that the dream of a better world isn't dead as long as they're still fighting for it.

For this version of Iron Man, I propose we engage a lot more with Tony's journey of coming to grips with the harm that the military industrial complex perpetuates and his role in it - which was a theme that the original movie seems to set up but never does anything with.
 
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-[X] You know what? No. Marvel still has many characters that could make for good movies. (Begin new Production)
-- [X] Which Character: Iron Man
Uhm Iron Man is kind of set to be the first movie no matter what. This vote is about either going through with a Hulk movie or doing something else. As such you're voting to make another Iron Man movie immediately after the first Iron Man movie with no breaks or intermission.

It's not necessarily a problem in terms of cinematic universe planning per se but I think it's fair to point out that you're voting for Iron Man one and two back to back as opposed to just getting Iron Man 1 out the gate and that it's a little weird that you're pushing back production of Hulk to begin filming a sequel to a movie that hasn't even been cast yet. Like in the original post it straight up says we're getting an Iron Man with Robert Downey Jr. that's entirely unrelated to the Hulk stuff. The vote's a little nonsensical in-universe from what I understand of things.
 
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I have updated the Mechanics, my thoughts on Omakes, and the properties currently owned by other studios as well.

Alright then, and seeing from the discussion around, does this mean that there is nothing you wish to add or change to the Iron Man movie?
 
Hey guys, thoughts on doing a Ka-Zar movie with Sauron in Savage Land? Maybe adding in Devil Dinosaur as either a minor cameo, or an ally to Ka-Zar?

I've only got a bit of an idea for it, and wanted to see what people thought about the general idea before going with anything more?

[X] Plan rolling ball
 
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I have updated the Mechanics, my thoughts on Omakes, and the properties currently owned by other studios as well.

Alright then, and seeing from the discussion around, does this mean that there is nothing you wish to add or change to the Iron Man movie?
Were we supposed to discuss that now?

If we're talking about changes I wouldn't mind messing with the casting of some of the characters in the original Iron Man (I don't know actors well enough to contribute to this without someone else suggesting stuff).

I'd like to keep Obidiah Stane alive at the end of the movie so we could bring the character back if we wanted to and I'd be down to make him a bit more of a genuine believer in the American military industrial complex and convinced he's in the right whilst leaving Ten Rings a bit more disconnected from him (he's not behind terrorists kidnapping Tony but he is selling weapons to terrorists so the US buys more stuff from Stark Industries).

Altering Iron Man isn't a hill I want to die on but I wouldn't mind a few tweaks here and there to open up different opportunities later down the line. I just can't think of any strong specific alterations I would like to make which aren't super generic and unhelpful like "explore themes better".
 
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If we do nothing about Iron Man, that plan remains as it was in OTL, right?
Were we supposed to discuss that now?

If we're talking about changes I wouldn't mind messing with the casting of some of the characters in the original Iron Man (I don't know actors well enough to contribute to this without someone else suggesting stuff).
I forgot to mention it? Sorry, but basically yes. If there is no discussion then there can be no changes to the movie in itself.
 
Hey guys, thoughts on doing a Ka-Zar movie with Sauron in Savage Land? Maybe adding in Devil Dinosaur as either a minor cameo, or an ally to Ka-Zar?
Check the front page. We do not own Ka-Zar or Savage Land. Try again. Sauron we might not own if it's associated with Ka-Zar and Savage Land.
 
Were we supposed to discuss that now?

If we're talking about changes I wouldn't mind messing with the casting of some of the characters in the original Iron Man (I don't know actors well enough to contribute to this without someone else suggesting stuff).

I'd like to keep Obidiah Stane alive at the end of the movie so we could bring the character back if we wanted to and I'd be down to make him a bit more of a genuine believer in the American military industrial complex and convinced he's in the right whilst leaving Ten Rings a bit more disconnected from him (he's not behind terrorists kidnapping Tony but he is selling weapons to terrorists so the US buys more stuff from Stark Industries).

Altering Iron Man isn't a hill I want to die on but I wouldn't mind a few tweaks here and there to open up different opportunities later down the line. I just can't think of any strong specific alterations I would like to make which aren't super generic and unhelpful like "explore themes better".

Ah, thanks.

I've switched it to a WW2-Supersoldier-Natasha movie.
 
So do people want to try and get Don Cheadle as Rhodey from the get go? Just avoid the IRL replacement issues? I don't know any other actor alterations that people might want to make but that seems like low hanging fruit

Hey guys, thoughts on doing a Ka-Zar movie with Sauron in Savage Land? Maybe adding in Devil Dinosaur as either a minor cameo, or an ally to Ka-Zar?

I've only got a bit of an idea for it, and wanted to see what people thought about the general idea before going with anything more?
I'm down to throw it in as a later movie once the rights clear up. The movie would need to be in a later phase but I think going weirder once we've got more time works. My biggest concern is how do we tie it to the other stuff but I'd need to see a pitch before that potential problem becomes valid or invalid. Write down the idea you've got and I'm happy to poke and play around with it.
 
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