There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest
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overmind
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Huh. I read a different article which mentioned her rights reverting to Marvel in 2008.
I guess you can try then, good luck. Should I mention it or not?
King crimson
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I don't know the legal situations of fictional characters about a decade and a half ago off the top of my head. I was just picking female characters who were Avengers at some point or another.
As for Tigra and Mockingbird being literal who for you, anyone with a name can be made a good focal point for multiple stories so that really shouldn't matter in terms of being a good character for preference. If your goal is just to get a female character as the second movie then they work great. If your goal is "lets get a character I know that's female in as the second movie" only then does you not knowing who they are become relevant but that's literally you going "If I don't know them I don't care about them" which kind of sucks considering how many obscure characters can be a ton of fun.
Yes more or less any character can work as a leading character if you're willing to mess around with them enough. I won't deny that it could work. It works a lot easier when you've got a lot of stories to draw on, especially stories that involve other characters you are going to use because then you've always got a frame of reference to fall back on if you want to come up with new ideas. I personally was doubtful that picking a character based off of their attributes as opposed to the pre-existing stories that you could pick from was a good idea.
Also lets cool it with claiming I've said stuff that I haven't. I didn't even deny that any of your suggestions could work, I just literally said that I'd rather introduce a character that would be relevant to the stuff going forward and who we had story ideas for as opposed to arbitrarily ticking off a diversity checklist with no idea what to do with the character going forward. I'm not denying you can reinvent a character with a movie adaptation but you need at least some idea of what you want to do with them.
Edit: I don't want to keep arguing this point. I have no objections to you pushing for your ideas if you have them. I've got my own ideas and I'll push for them to be included but you're equally entitled to your preferences and plans as I am. What I will reiterate is that I sincerely hope you've got a solid idea behind your proposal so that the characters aren't just reduced to tokenism.
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Duke William of
I really need to finish my quests. :V
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[X] Plan rolling ball
Almost finished with this villain idea I have, will post it later.
Edit: Shoot, I brainfarted and didn't vote for the one I wanted.
Almost finished with this villain idea I have, will post it later.
Edit: Shoot, I brainfarted and didn't vote for the one I wanted.
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[X] Plan rolling ball
-[X] John Doe
-[X] Male
-[X] Action
-[X] Script Quality
-[X] Casting Quality
-[X] Golden Tongue
-[X] Universal
-[X] Well, you better get right on it. You need to keep the Production on schedule after all. (Negotiation Roll)
-[X] John Doe
-[X] Male
-[X] Action
-[X] Script Quality
-[X] Casting Quality
-[X] Golden Tongue
-[X] Universal
-[X] Well, you better get right on it. You need to keep the Production on schedule after all. (Negotiation Roll)
Magoose
SV's Questing Fanatic
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Um you think we can use Exselcior as the motto for the MCU…
In honor of Stan Lee.
Or can we try and use something to honor the King, Jack Kirby.
Or Both?
Sirrocco
Pedantic
[X] Plan rolling ball
a number of things I was going to vote for anyway, and solid arguments for the rest.
I do have a personal axe to grind in wanting to do right by Black Widow this time (they screwed her over so many times, in so many ways) but we don't need to make that happen right this second.
a number of things I was going to vote for anyway, and solid arguments for the rest.
I do have a personal axe to grind in wanting to do right by Black Widow this time (they screwed her over so many times, in so many ways) but we don't need to make that happen right this second.
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I think both are worthy of attention. On the other hand, we could probably shade, with success, the old conflict that is likely to rise if we start gaining popularity. Nothing that would go beyond the geek forums, but still.
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- Auckland, New Zealand
[X] Plan rolling ball
Name could be Greg Veder, as he liked comics
Name could be Greg Veder, as he liked comics
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- The Z-Cave
[X] Plan rolling ball
-[X] Matthias "Matt" Miller
-[X] Male
-[X] Action
-[X] Script Quality
-[X] Casting Quality
-[X] Golden Tongue
-[X] Universal
-[X] Well, you better get right on it. You need to keep the Production on schedule after all. (Negotiation Roll)
Mostly voting for this because I want to make a horror Hulk movie. Wish the name was less cliche though.
-[X] Matthias "Matt" Miller
-[X] Male
-[X] Action
-[X] Script Quality
-[X] Casting Quality
-[X] Golden Tongue
-[X] Universal
-[X] Well, you better get right on it. You need to keep the Production on schedule after all. (Negotiation Roll)
Mostly voting for this because I want to make a horror Hulk movie. Wish the name was less cliche though.
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Agree, "John Doe" is a pretty bad name considering uhm... It means this.
King crimson
Confusion Will Be My Epitaph
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I'm fine with that. I'll happily switch it if no one has any issues with it
People suggested I switch to Greg Veder. I could literally care less about the producer's name so if nobody who voted for my plan has an issue with the name I'm happy to switch it to something else. If people have a name they like I'm happy to replace that part.
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RomanceNinja
The Pun-isher (Official Meme Wizard)
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- United Kingdom
John Doe's MCU doesn't exactly have a ring to it after all
- Location
- The Z-Cave
How about Mathias Miller? That's a name that stands out as unique but not too ridiculous to believe is an actual name.
King crimson
Confusion Will Be My Epitaph
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- Los Angeles
I edited my plan to switch the vote the name to Matthias "Matt" Miller. It felt a little better than a Worm reference and I was more than happy to change the name. If the people voting for my plan want a different name I'm more than happy to change it to conform to popular demand as I do not care about that part of the plan enough to fight one way or the other.
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Duke William of
I really need to finish my quests. :V
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MMM... Interesting
King crimson's Iron Man 2 (Movie Pitch)
King crimson
Confusion Will Be My Epitaph
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An Iron Man 2 Pitch Idea
So I figured I could throw out a very basic pitch for an Iron Man sequel that's different from what we got IRL. I'm not married to this idea but I think it's a neat skeleton that can be fleshed out with something stronger later on down the line.
The basic plot
The movie opens with a cosmonaut up in space going about his day on a space station. We learn a bit about him when something goes wrong with the ship and he's forced to deal with it. He enters a giant crimson suit to try and repair things but stuff goes wrong and he's forced to crash land on earth, landing in the middle of the midwestern United States. The man in the suit then sees a billboard with Stark on it and he growls the name with hatred. We then cut to the title of the movie.
We now shift over to Tony Stark. After his debut as Iron Man (and potentially an Avenger) he's living large and enjoying partying more than ever. He's famous and successful and enjoying things. The state of Tony's life is established as mostly good but hints that his excesses are going to overwhelm him come from Pepper who tries to get him to be less excessive with his behavior. The man in the giant crimson suit flies in and starts screaming about how he's going to kill Howard Stark and ranting about excess and overindulgence of capitalist monsters.
Tony naturally suits up debuting a new Iron Man suit (for toy sales and to potentially show off CGI much like the suitcase scene with the IRL Iron Man 2) and goes to fight off the rampaging man. Though the Crimson Dynamo suit is much larger than the Iron Man suit, Stark's superior tech lets him fend off the attacker. The crimson suit flees and Tony initially moves to pursue but spots that due to fighting a little tipsy, he let the collateral damage get too high and so now people are in danger. Instead of moving to pursue the man in the crimson suit Tony instead goes on to save the people at the party. After the saving people's lives he meets the beautiful Whitney Frost and due to not thinking straight he sleeps with her which gives her the opportunity steal schematics on the Iron Man suit without him knowing after temporarily disabling J.A.R.V.I.S..
The media goes on to dub the attacker of the event the Crimson Dynamo and Tony gets chewed out by Pepper for being completely and utterly excessive in his drinking and partying as of late. Tony brushes it off which only infuriates Pepper more. Even Rhodey and Happy are unable to get through to Tony as he's completely over the edge. Tony then opens up a secret compartment in his workshop and we learn that he is dying. Turns out working in a cave with a box of scraps tends to lead to side effects and complications. Tony has an idea of how to save his own life but he literally cannot invent fast enough to save it. He's frustrated that he feels stuck in a world that's too slow and so he's started to make moves to prepare people for when he dies. Tony muses on the fact that he's basically choosing to die of over-indulgence like how his dad died driving drunk but ignores that and states that what he's doing is different from his dad as he's not being selfish and is instead sparing people by acting like this.
We then cut to the Crimson Dynamo. Due to being cut off from the world he initially thought the Cold War was still going on and that technology would now be the same. Now he realizes he's lost and adrift in a world that's left him behind and forgotten him while moving too fast to be relevant. He's hiding out in some barn or something drinking alcohol lamenting his irrelevance when he's approached by a woman in a mask (Madame Masque). While he's initially hesitant to agree to anything she says, the woman eventually offers him a way to make his life mean something and to get back at men like Stark who are born and die with everything while he has nothing. Crimson Dynamo eventually agrees.
Tony hosts another big press conference where he announces that he's stepping down as CEO of Stark Industries so that he can focus more on being Iron Man and presents Pepper as the new person in charge. He refuses to answer any questions but before he can get away he is once more attacked by the Crimson Dynamo. This time the Crimson Dynamo's suit has been upgraded with Stark Tech, which Tony notices and he's able to beat Iron Man in a fight. Rhodey tries to help Tony but is effortlessly batted away by the Crimson Dynamo.
Crimson Dynamo gives a speech that men like Tony and his father are nothing but poison that will only drag down and hurt the people in their lives with their selfishness and greed. He then states that Tony Stark is nothing without his money and the moment someone faces him on an even playing field he's helpless against a better man. Pepper then challenges the Crimson Dynamo's assumptions and says he only managed to get this far due to sneak attacks and that if anything he proved he needed to stoop lower than Tony in order to win. This gets under Crimson Dynamo's skin enough that he agrees not to kill Tony. Instead he tells Tony that they'll finally settle the score on an even playing field in one months time. He then kidnaps Pepper to ensure that Tony will show up to the fight alone when he calls and flies off to parts unknown.
Wracked with guilt at the fact that his actions supposedly led to Rhodey getting hurt and Pepper getting kidnapped, Tony gets even worse about his drinking and fully indulges in it. He's utterly apathetic and hates himself more than ever. It is in this state that Nick Fury arrives to find Tony. He's surprised and irked at Tony's behavior and tells him some stuff to get him to snap out of his funk and get him to do what he needs to. He tells Tony that he's not like his father and that he can always be a better man even if he wasn't a perfect one before and that the one thing Stark's keep on doing is improving.
Tony then reveals that he's dying out of frustration with getting the speech and that nothing could save him. Fury then reveals that he doesn't know how to save Tony either but he brought up old things that Howard left for SHIELD in the hopes that he could use it to improve the Iron Man suit enough to beat the Crimson Dynamo and that maybe it can also save Tony's life. Tony starts looking over the stuff and gets engrossed in it but Fury admits that there was one other reason he came as he recognized the crimson suit Tony first fought in the media that showed it and he hands Tony a dossier on who the Crimson Dynamo actually is.
Meanwhile back with the Crimson Dynamo, he has taken Pepper to a secret abandoned lab controlled by Madame Masque where they are attempting to make better arc reactors and Iron Man suits. Madame Masque comes in and is angry about how Crimson Dynamo refused to kill Tony Stark when he had the chance. Crimson Dynamo responds that he wants to destroy Stark's legacy not just the man himself and Madame Masque reluctantly concedes.
Pepper eventually gets to talking with Crimson Dynamo and he reveals why he hates the Stark's so much. Crimson Dynamo grew up in the USSR and his father worked alongside Howard during WW2. After that war ended Howard and the Crimson Dynamo's fathers were on opposite sides of the Cold War. Crimson Dynamo was loyal to his country and his people but somehow Howard Stark managed to use his wealth and influence to convince Crimson Dynamo's father to betray the USSR and sell secrets. When his father got caught Howard did nothing to help or save him, instead using his lavish wealth to build new products and host parties. Crimson Dynamo states that he lived all of his life as a traitor's son and was forced through the most grueling and brutal conditions, even signing up for a potentially suicidal space mission, just because Howard Stark ruined his life and didn't even have the decency to try and help him. He had nothing and now he woke up in a world where everything he'd dedicated his life to was gone and Howard Stark's son had everything he could ever dream of and was no better than his father.
Pepper eventually tells him that he is viewing Tony as his father much like how people viewed the Crimson Dynamo as his father which makes the Crimson Dynamo hesitate but he still forges onwards with his plan, stating that he's given up too much to just be forgotten when he dies.
Back with Tony he looks through Howards old things and eventually figures out how to save his life but he still can't figure out an easy way to guarantee the Crimson Dynamo's defeat just by upgrading his own armor. He watches old recordings of Howard Stark and comes to the conclusion that he's not going to be like his father, he won't be one man against the world and he's going to let people in and work with them and not bury his weaknesses in alcohol and parties. Tony comes up with a plan and creates a second suit of armor for Rhodey to wear in order to defeat Crimson Dynamo. He's going to fight smarter not harder as that's what he's the best at. Rhodey agrees to the plan.
Crimson Dynamo gives his broadcast and reveals the location of the lab he is hiding in and states if anyone but Tony Stark shows up he'll kill Pepper Potts. Tony flies off and confronts the Crimson Dynamo demanding that he let Pepper go and asking him not to let what happened between their father's lead to further violence. Crimson Dynamo lets Pepper go but refuses to back down. He and Tony fight a bit and Tony is losing but he calls in Rhodey's help and the two together start winning against the Crimson Dynamo. Crimson Dynamo declares that Tony Stark is cheating because he's not better than him but Tony reiterates that he's cheating because he's learning to be better and that means not doing everything alone and leaving other people behind like Howard did. Eventually the two of them overpower and take down Crimson Dynamo.
However before they can leave they decide to head in deeper to take down whoever gave Crimson Dynamo Stark tech. They head deeper in and encounter Madame Masque. Iron Man fires a repulsor blast that knocks off her mask revealing Madame Masque to be Whitney Frost. Madame Masque picks up her mask and reveals to the two of them that she rigged the whole lab and every arc reactor in it, to explode leading to untold collateral damage if they don't contain it.
Rhodey and Tony make the choice to stay and try to contain the blast and Madame Masque makes her get away but not before acknowledging that things aren't over quite yet. Rhodey and Tony do their best to keep the explosion from occurring but because of reasons one of them at least is required to go into a room that could fry them with the ensuing energy in order to prevent the explosion. Crimson Dynamo comes to and he sees that Tony and Rhodey are working to save people while the woman he worked with abandoned them all to die and would kill thousands of people as collateral for a vendetta. Crimson Dynamo makes the choice to be different and be a hero.
He heads into the room that would have killed anyone who entered it and does the necessary repairs, using his own engineering knowledge from his time on the spaceship to contain a breach and potentially has Tony guide him as well. Crimson Dynamo dies but the blast is contained and everyone else survives.
Tony approaches Crimson Dynamo and tries to save him but Crimson Dynamo accepts his death with resignation. He tells Tony he's a better man than his father and than Crimson Dynamo because he learned from their mistakes and asks selfishly that Tony doesn't let him be forgotten. Tony reluctantly agrees.
The movie ends with a resolution of Tony giving a speech about how the world needs to come together and band together to deal with their problems instead of having each man stand on their own and feuding with one another. Depending on where this movie lands more nuance can be added (asking Pepper to marry him, hinting at the Avengers, hinting at threats from space etc.)
A natural post-credits scene is Whitney Frost talking to either the head of the Maggia or Mandarin or some other shadowy figure depending on how you want the sequel to go.
Themes and ideas
So what I tried to do with this script is give it a few different themes and ideas to touch on. Naturally whatever movie is made ought to be more solid but I wanted to introduce a few ideas and primarily explore them through Tony and the main antagonist of the movie, Crimson Dynamo. There's the idea of men out of time, standing alone instead of working with others, sins of the father and of course someone having everything versus some having nothing. I didn't center on anyone theme too obviously but I think the script does a good job of exploring why Tony is a hero at the end of the day despite not necessarily always having been one.
One thing that is necessary for this idea to work is for Crimson Dynamo and Tony Stark to be strong foils for one another. I wanted to try something that hadn't been done in the early MCU and that was a tragic villain. Crimson Dynamo is someone who could have been a hero very easily and hopefully is at least somewhat sympathetic and likeable. That way his critiques and attacks on Tony feel more earned even if Crimson Dynamo is ultimately in the wrong. Additionally in order to get the foil thing to work a little more clearly on a visual level, especially since Crimson Dynamo is likely older than Tony Stark, you can cut a younger actor and include a brief line about how due to the relativistic speeds the spaceship he was traveling in was moving at, one year for Crimson Dynamo up there was many more down below.
Some stuff this hopefully sets up
When working in a cinematic universe you ought to be setting up stuff for you to come back to and explore later. What I tried to set up in this movie pitch were a few things. Firstly I wanted to set up Tony's potential role in Civil War by showing his tendency to take on guilt and care a lot about collateral damage. Secondly I wanted to set up an antagonist to be used later to tie to bigger stuff (Madame Masque). Thirdly I wanted to tie into some of the older SHIELD stuff and hint at some of what Howard did before the first movies in order to potentially give room to explore that stuff in a different series. On top of that if the movie comes out before Captain America stuff or a Hawkeye or Black Widow movie you can cameo or show off some of the connecting hints in order to make things feel more interconnected. Fourthly I wanted to try and introduce Rhodey as War Machine and give Pepper something to accomplish (actually turning Crimson Dynamo somewhat). This is the one I feel was the weakest part but it is still there to some degree.
I'd appreciate any thoughts or feedback on this potential pitch. I'll probably be doing more of these in the future. I'm not sure if this counts as an omake or not but I thought this would be a neat pitch for a hypothetical sequel even if it's way to early to start suggesting too much.
So I figured I could throw out a very basic pitch for an Iron Man sequel that's different from what we got IRL. I'm not married to this idea but I think it's a neat skeleton that can be fleshed out with something stronger later on down the line.
The basic plot
The movie opens with a cosmonaut up in space going about his day on a space station. We learn a bit about him when something goes wrong with the ship and he's forced to deal with it. He enters a giant crimson suit to try and repair things but stuff goes wrong and he's forced to crash land on earth, landing in the middle of the midwestern United States. The man in the suit then sees a billboard with Stark on it and he growls the name with hatred. We then cut to the title of the movie.
We now shift over to Tony Stark. After his debut as Iron Man (and potentially an Avenger) he's living large and enjoying partying more than ever. He's famous and successful and enjoying things. The state of Tony's life is established as mostly good but hints that his excesses are going to overwhelm him come from Pepper who tries to get him to be less excessive with his behavior. The man in the giant crimson suit flies in and starts screaming about how he's going to kill Howard Stark and ranting about excess and overindulgence of capitalist monsters.
Tony naturally suits up debuting a new Iron Man suit (for toy sales and to potentially show off CGI much like the suitcase scene with the IRL Iron Man 2) and goes to fight off the rampaging man. Though the Crimson Dynamo suit is much larger than the Iron Man suit, Stark's superior tech lets him fend off the attacker. The crimson suit flees and Tony initially moves to pursue but spots that due to fighting a little tipsy, he let the collateral damage get too high and so now people are in danger. Instead of moving to pursue the man in the crimson suit Tony instead goes on to save the people at the party. After the saving people's lives he meets the beautiful Whitney Frost and due to not thinking straight he sleeps with her which gives her the opportunity steal schematics on the Iron Man suit without him knowing after temporarily disabling J.A.R.V.I.S..
The media goes on to dub the attacker of the event the Crimson Dynamo and Tony gets chewed out by Pepper for being completely and utterly excessive in his drinking and partying as of late. Tony brushes it off which only infuriates Pepper more. Even Rhodey and Happy are unable to get through to Tony as he's completely over the edge. Tony then opens up a secret compartment in his workshop and we learn that he is dying. Turns out working in a cave with a box of scraps tends to lead to side effects and complications. Tony has an idea of how to save his own life but he literally cannot invent fast enough to save it. He's frustrated that he feels stuck in a world that's too slow and so he's started to make moves to prepare people for when he dies. Tony muses on the fact that he's basically choosing to die of over-indulgence like how his dad died driving drunk but ignores that and states that what he's doing is different from his dad as he's not being selfish and is instead sparing people by acting like this.
We then cut to the Crimson Dynamo. Due to being cut off from the world he initially thought the Cold War was still going on and that technology would now be the same. Now he realizes he's lost and adrift in a world that's left him behind and forgotten him while moving too fast to be relevant. He's hiding out in some barn or something drinking alcohol lamenting his irrelevance when he's approached by a woman in a mask (Madame Masque). While he's initially hesitant to agree to anything she says, the woman eventually offers him a way to make his life mean something and to get back at men like Stark who are born and die with everything while he has nothing. Crimson Dynamo eventually agrees.
Tony hosts another big press conference where he announces that he's stepping down as CEO of Stark Industries so that he can focus more on being Iron Man and presents Pepper as the new person in charge. He refuses to answer any questions but before he can get away he is once more attacked by the Crimson Dynamo. This time the Crimson Dynamo's suit has been upgraded with Stark Tech, which Tony notices and he's able to beat Iron Man in a fight. Rhodey tries to help Tony but is effortlessly batted away by the Crimson Dynamo.
Crimson Dynamo gives a speech that men like Tony and his father are nothing but poison that will only drag down and hurt the people in their lives with their selfishness and greed. He then states that Tony Stark is nothing without his money and the moment someone faces him on an even playing field he's helpless against a better man. Pepper then challenges the Crimson Dynamo's assumptions and says he only managed to get this far due to sneak attacks and that if anything he proved he needed to stoop lower than Tony in order to win. This gets under Crimson Dynamo's skin enough that he agrees not to kill Tony. Instead he tells Tony that they'll finally settle the score on an even playing field in one months time. He then kidnaps Pepper to ensure that Tony will show up to the fight alone when he calls and flies off to parts unknown.
Wracked with guilt at the fact that his actions supposedly led to Rhodey getting hurt and Pepper getting kidnapped, Tony gets even worse about his drinking and fully indulges in it. He's utterly apathetic and hates himself more than ever. It is in this state that Nick Fury arrives to find Tony. He's surprised and irked at Tony's behavior and tells him some stuff to get him to snap out of his funk and get him to do what he needs to. He tells Tony that he's not like his father and that he can always be a better man even if he wasn't a perfect one before and that the one thing Stark's keep on doing is improving.
Tony then reveals that he's dying out of frustration with getting the speech and that nothing could save him. Fury then reveals that he doesn't know how to save Tony either but he brought up old things that Howard left for SHIELD in the hopes that he could use it to improve the Iron Man suit enough to beat the Crimson Dynamo and that maybe it can also save Tony's life. Tony starts looking over the stuff and gets engrossed in it but Fury admits that there was one other reason he came as he recognized the crimson suit Tony first fought in the media that showed it and he hands Tony a dossier on who the Crimson Dynamo actually is.
Meanwhile back with the Crimson Dynamo, he has taken Pepper to a secret abandoned lab controlled by Madame Masque where they are attempting to make better arc reactors and Iron Man suits. Madame Masque comes in and is angry about how Crimson Dynamo refused to kill Tony Stark when he had the chance. Crimson Dynamo responds that he wants to destroy Stark's legacy not just the man himself and Madame Masque reluctantly concedes.
Pepper eventually gets to talking with Crimson Dynamo and he reveals why he hates the Stark's so much. Crimson Dynamo grew up in the USSR and his father worked alongside Howard during WW2. After that war ended Howard and the Crimson Dynamo's fathers were on opposite sides of the Cold War. Crimson Dynamo was loyal to his country and his people but somehow Howard Stark managed to use his wealth and influence to convince Crimson Dynamo's father to betray the USSR and sell secrets. When his father got caught Howard did nothing to help or save him, instead using his lavish wealth to build new products and host parties. Crimson Dynamo states that he lived all of his life as a traitor's son and was forced through the most grueling and brutal conditions, even signing up for a potentially suicidal space mission, just because Howard Stark ruined his life and didn't even have the decency to try and help him. He had nothing and now he woke up in a world where everything he'd dedicated his life to was gone and Howard Stark's son had everything he could ever dream of and was no better than his father.
Pepper eventually tells him that he is viewing Tony as his father much like how people viewed the Crimson Dynamo as his father which makes the Crimson Dynamo hesitate but he still forges onwards with his plan, stating that he's given up too much to just be forgotten when he dies.
Back with Tony he looks through Howards old things and eventually figures out how to save his life but he still can't figure out an easy way to guarantee the Crimson Dynamo's defeat just by upgrading his own armor. He watches old recordings of Howard Stark and comes to the conclusion that he's not going to be like his father, he won't be one man against the world and he's going to let people in and work with them and not bury his weaknesses in alcohol and parties. Tony comes up with a plan and creates a second suit of armor for Rhodey to wear in order to defeat Crimson Dynamo. He's going to fight smarter not harder as that's what he's the best at. Rhodey agrees to the plan.
Crimson Dynamo gives his broadcast and reveals the location of the lab he is hiding in and states if anyone but Tony Stark shows up he'll kill Pepper Potts. Tony flies off and confronts the Crimson Dynamo demanding that he let Pepper go and asking him not to let what happened between their father's lead to further violence. Crimson Dynamo lets Pepper go but refuses to back down. He and Tony fight a bit and Tony is losing but he calls in Rhodey's help and the two together start winning against the Crimson Dynamo. Crimson Dynamo declares that Tony Stark is cheating because he's not better than him but Tony reiterates that he's cheating because he's learning to be better and that means not doing everything alone and leaving other people behind like Howard did. Eventually the two of them overpower and take down Crimson Dynamo.
However before they can leave they decide to head in deeper to take down whoever gave Crimson Dynamo Stark tech. They head deeper in and encounter Madame Masque. Iron Man fires a repulsor blast that knocks off her mask revealing Madame Masque to be Whitney Frost. Madame Masque picks up her mask and reveals to the two of them that she rigged the whole lab and every arc reactor in it, to explode leading to untold collateral damage if they don't contain it.
Rhodey and Tony make the choice to stay and try to contain the blast and Madame Masque makes her get away but not before acknowledging that things aren't over quite yet. Rhodey and Tony do their best to keep the explosion from occurring but because of reasons one of them at least is required to go into a room that could fry them with the ensuing energy in order to prevent the explosion. Crimson Dynamo comes to and he sees that Tony and Rhodey are working to save people while the woman he worked with abandoned them all to die and would kill thousands of people as collateral for a vendetta. Crimson Dynamo makes the choice to be different and be a hero.
He heads into the room that would have killed anyone who entered it and does the necessary repairs, using his own engineering knowledge from his time on the spaceship to contain a breach and potentially has Tony guide him as well. Crimson Dynamo dies but the blast is contained and everyone else survives.
Tony approaches Crimson Dynamo and tries to save him but Crimson Dynamo accepts his death with resignation. He tells Tony he's a better man than his father and than Crimson Dynamo because he learned from their mistakes and asks selfishly that Tony doesn't let him be forgotten. Tony reluctantly agrees.
The movie ends with a resolution of Tony giving a speech about how the world needs to come together and band together to deal with their problems instead of having each man stand on their own and feuding with one another. Depending on where this movie lands more nuance can be added (asking Pepper to marry him, hinting at the Avengers, hinting at threats from space etc.)
A natural post-credits scene is Whitney Frost talking to either the head of the Maggia or Mandarin or some other shadowy figure depending on how you want the sequel to go.
Themes and ideas
So what I tried to do with this script is give it a few different themes and ideas to touch on. Naturally whatever movie is made ought to be more solid but I wanted to introduce a few ideas and primarily explore them through Tony and the main antagonist of the movie, Crimson Dynamo. There's the idea of men out of time, standing alone instead of working with others, sins of the father and of course someone having everything versus some having nothing. I didn't center on anyone theme too obviously but I think the script does a good job of exploring why Tony is a hero at the end of the day despite not necessarily always having been one.
One thing that is necessary for this idea to work is for Crimson Dynamo and Tony Stark to be strong foils for one another. I wanted to try something that hadn't been done in the early MCU and that was a tragic villain. Crimson Dynamo is someone who could have been a hero very easily and hopefully is at least somewhat sympathetic and likeable. That way his critiques and attacks on Tony feel more earned even if Crimson Dynamo is ultimately in the wrong. Additionally in order to get the foil thing to work a little more clearly on a visual level, especially since Crimson Dynamo is likely older than Tony Stark, you can cut a younger actor and include a brief line about how due to the relativistic speeds the spaceship he was traveling in was moving at, one year for Crimson Dynamo up there was many more down below.
Some stuff this hopefully sets up
When working in a cinematic universe you ought to be setting up stuff for you to come back to and explore later. What I tried to set up in this movie pitch were a few things. Firstly I wanted to set up Tony's potential role in Civil War by showing his tendency to take on guilt and care a lot about collateral damage. Secondly I wanted to set up an antagonist to be used later to tie to bigger stuff (Madame Masque). Thirdly I wanted to tie into some of the older SHIELD stuff and hint at some of what Howard did before the first movies in order to potentially give room to explore that stuff in a different series. On top of that if the movie comes out before Captain America stuff or a Hawkeye or Black Widow movie you can cameo or show off some of the connecting hints in order to make things feel more interconnected. Fourthly I wanted to try and introduce Rhodey as War Machine and give Pepper something to accomplish (actually turning Crimson Dynamo somewhat). This is the one I feel was the weakest part but it is still there to some degree.
I'd appreciate any thoughts or feedback on this potential pitch. I'll probably be doing more of these in the future. I'm not sure if this counts as an omake or not but I thought this would be a neat pitch for a hypothetical sequel even if it's way to early to start suggesting too much.
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King crimson
Confusion Will Be My Epitaph
- Location
- Los Angeles
@overmind if you don't mind me asking how are you counting votes? Because due to me altering my existing plan to have a different name instead of creating a new nearly identical vote and having everyone revote, one of the people who voted for my plan was split off due to having copy pasted the older version that only has a name difference. Will that be counted as an entirely separate vote? If you tally by line using SV's internal tally counter you'll see my plan has 8 votes but if you tally by block or task then I've got 7 votes for my plan.
On that note @Acc. No. 1409 would you mind switching the name in your copy of the plan from John Doe to Matthias "Matt" Miller? I'm sorry to be a pain but I'd rather make things a bit easier for the QM here considering that here was some complications based on exactly how the votes are being tallied.
Edit: Or apparently altering the plan title as that seems to be where the divergence is coming from.
On that note @Acc. No. 1409 would you mind switching the name in your copy of the plan from John Doe to Matthias "Matt" Miller? I'm sorry to be a pain but I'd rather make things a bit easier for the QM here considering that here was some complications based on exactly how the votes are being tallied.
Edit: Or apparently altering the plan title as that seems to be where the divergence is coming from.
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overmind
Ruler of the Swarm
Not yet, you can still add to the movie if you want. You haven't casted the actors nor written the script yet.
I was counting by plan names. He should change the name, but it should work this time as there is more than enough.
Edit: Though I may try to count individually this time.
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- Location
- Puerto Rico
Okay.
I originally I was gonna proposed to have in order to get more budget, we make a deal with Steve Jobs to have Tony Stark use the IPhone 1 as a form of product marketing. But then I remember that IM1 comes out in 2008 and the IP1 already comes out in mid 2007.
- Location
- Manchester, UK
- Pronouns
- He/They
[X] Plan: SUPER Heroes
-[X] Jack Lee
-[X] Male
-[X] Action
-[X] Choreography: Running, jumping, dancing, fighting. You know how to arrange actors' movements and camera for a scene and no one can deny it.
-[X] Actor Performance (pick one of the sub vote, each sub vote count as one skill)
--[X] Protagonist. The protagonist must ooze presence and impress the audience, a role very vital in a narrative. You are skilled in extracting that presence out of the heroes of the story.
-[X] VFX: Special effect is your jam. The limitation of live footage can't hold your creativeness back from presenting itself, with digital process, of course.
-[X] Sony
-[X] You know what? No. Marvel still has many characters that could make for good movies. (Begin new Production)
--[X] Wasp
We've got Iron Man, I want Wasp as the other starter. But I want Janet Van Dyne with powers (not stated to be a mutant for obvious reasons, but has powers that are activated by some sort of event) as the starting block on that one. Ant-man can come later as the science behind the accident, or the science behind her inhuman power, or whatever, gets worked out.
The rest of the plan is all about keeping the focus on the superhero and what makes them super. For a single film a great antagonist is important - for a series the protagonist is the binding element, and we want all of these to be multi-film series.
-[X] Jack Lee
-[X] Male
-[X] Action
-[X] Choreography: Running, jumping, dancing, fighting. You know how to arrange actors' movements and camera for a scene and no one can deny it.
-[X] Actor Performance (pick one of the sub vote, each sub vote count as one skill)
--[X] Protagonist. The protagonist must ooze presence and impress the audience, a role very vital in a narrative. You are skilled in extracting that presence out of the heroes of the story.
-[X] VFX: Special effect is your jam. The limitation of live footage can't hold your creativeness back from presenting itself, with digital process, of course.
-[X] Sony
-[X] You know what? No. Marvel still has many characters that could make for good movies. (Begin new Production)
--[X] Wasp
We've got Iron Man, I want Wasp as the other starter. But I want Janet Van Dyne with powers (not stated to be a mutant for obvious reasons, but has powers that are activated by some sort of event) as the starting block on that one. Ant-man can come later as the science behind the accident, or the science behind her inhuman power, or whatever, gets worked out.
The rest of the plan is all about keeping the focus on the superhero and what makes them super. For a single film a great antagonist is important - for a series the protagonist is the binding element, and we want all of these to be multi-film series.
Duke William of
I really need to finish my quests. :V
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Original Villain Pitch: Blackstone
Name: Robert Sidney Moore
Birthplace: Coventry, United Kingdom
Birthdate: March 24, 1983
BACKGROUND
Robert Sidney Moore* was, to the eyes of the general public, a wandering stage magician with some level of prestige to his name. To the criminal underground, he was Blackstone*, the greatest gentleman thief to grace Europe. A usually one-man show, though he does have an assistant at times, he pulls off his capers with dramatic flare and stunning ease, disappearing out into thin air when the job is done. While he usually steals precious jewelry, rare artifacts, and invaluable technology only for the highest bidder on the black market, he tends to plan a heist for his enjoyment. Now, having heisted and capered his way through Europe, he sets his sights on the USA.
PERSONALITY
A charming and polite gentleman, Robert can smooth-talk and flatter his way through anyone, even the most stone-faced. Also chivalrous and philanthropic, in a way, by helping old ladies cross a street or paying off the college debt of a friend's son. A meticulous and detailed planner, he leaves nothing to chance with his plan, though he can effectively adapt on the fly if need be. Is prone to eccentricities at times, like randomly firing pistols to introduce himself. He does not harm or kill any innocent civilians during his heists, viewing such acts as "dishonorable and barbaric, not fit for a gentleman," though he will use weapons against any authorities.
Powers:
-Telekinesis
-Telepathy
-Mind Control
-Mind Reading
-Transposition
-Teleportation
-Bullet Catching
-Self-Levitation (Only to about 10 ft. in the air)
-Access to Pocket Dimension in Hat (Can only access weapons, and there is a limit on how many he can access)
Abilities:
-Master Actor
-Master Thief
-Master Escape Artist
-Skilled Acrobat
-Skilled Martial Artist
-Skilled Firearms User
-Above-Average Intelligence
-Polyglot (English, German, French, Spanish, Russian, Hungarian)
Hopefully in late phase 1, or early-to-middle phase 2. Could have a possible redemption arc if he becomes popular enough.
*This is his real name. Blackstone is his "stage name," in the same fashion that David Seth Kotkin's stage name is David Copperfield.
*Name inspired by Harry Blackstone Sr.
Here's my original villain pitch. Hopefully it's good. Opinions, guys?
Name: Robert Sidney Moore
Birthplace: Coventry, United Kingdom
Birthdate: March 24, 1983
BACKGROUND
Robert Sidney Moore* was, to the eyes of the general public, a wandering stage magician with some level of prestige to his name. To the criminal underground, he was Blackstone*, the greatest gentleman thief to grace Europe. A usually one-man show, though he does have an assistant at times, he pulls off his capers with dramatic flare and stunning ease, disappearing out into thin air when the job is done. While he usually steals precious jewelry, rare artifacts, and invaluable technology only for the highest bidder on the black market, he tends to plan a heist for his enjoyment. Now, having heisted and capered his way through Europe, he sets his sights on the USA.
PERSONALITY
A charming and polite gentleman, Robert can smooth-talk and flatter his way through anyone, even the most stone-faced. Also chivalrous and philanthropic, in a way, by helping old ladies cross a street or paying off the college debt of a friend's son. A meticulous and detailed planner, he leaves nothing to chance with his plan, though he can effectively adapt on the fly if need be. Is prone to eccentricities at times, like randomly firing pistols to introduce himself. He does not harm or kill any innocent civilians during his heists, viewing such acts as "dishonorable and barbaric, not fit for a gentleman," though he will use weapons against any authorities.
Powers:
-Telekinesis
-Telepathy
-Mind Control
-Mind Reading
-Transposition
-Teleportation
-Bullet Catching
-Self-Levitation (Only to about 10 ft. in the air)
-Access to Pocket Dimension in Hat (Can only access weapons, and there is a limit on how many he can access)
Abilities:
-Master Actor
-Master Thief
-Master Escape Artist
-Skilled Acrobat
-Skilled Martial Artist
-Skilled Firearms User
-Above-Average Intelligence
-Polyglot (English, German, French, Spanish, Russian, Hungarian)
Hopefully in late phase 1, or early-to-middle phase 2. Could have a possible redemption arc if he becomes popular enough.
*This is his real name. Blackstone is his "stage name," in the same fashion that David Seth Kotkin's stage name is David Copperfield.
*Name inspired by Harry Blackstone Sr.
Here's my original villain pitch. Hopefully it's good. Opinions, guys?
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