There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest

I'm behind delaying until April, since as @StarSerpent said, April 28/29 is the best time we can release since there is virtually no competition then.

May I suggest using the Intense Focus on Sean instead? The VFX are perfectly fine as they are, but Sean could use the extra bonus if needed.
Modified the vote slightly to potentially give Living Laser more presence points. Living Laser being the more prominent villain is in line with Eric / Nefaria being nearly caught out anyways, so Scarecrow can be more of a joke.

And yeah, April is a great time.
 
May I suggest using the Intense Focus on Sean instead? The VFX are perfectly fine as they are, but Sean could use the extra bonus if needed.

Hah, there is plenty of low 60s rolls that could use some TLC instead of VFX. As it stands right now, this movie is just barely acceptable in most categories...

Honestly, I feel like we're now worse off than we were before the first reshoot, with all the changes failing to implement properly.
 
Hah, there is plenty of low 60s rolls that could use some TLC instead of VFX. As it stands right now, this movie is just barely acceptable by most standards...

Honestly, I feel like we're now worse off that we were before the first reshoot, with all the changes failing to implement properly.
With my plan we use our 3 reshoot points fully on the two villains which are our main areas of improvement right now. Scarecrow getting reroll priority cause the rolls really sucked, with any extra going to Living Laser to balance it out.
 
With how @overmind worded those rolls, it seems like they weren't actually as bad as you're saying they are. Heck, Incredible Hulk had rolls worse than this, and that movie's fine.

Yeah, but it's just fine. Which is one of the reasons everyone elected to remove the hulk from consideration for the Avengers for now, because there was too much meddling on the corporate side of things and we would want to redo the Hulk's intro before adding him. And, on top of that, the Hulk is memorable and has a pre-existing fanbase; Wonder Man is a nobody.

Is there an option to scrap the scene changes? We can't really do the intended plan anymore if Nefaria is still suspected of wrongdoing.
 
[x] Plan: Keep Moving Forward & Fix Scarecrow
-[x] [Mid-Credit Scene] I like it, keep it as it is.
-[x] [Post-Credit Scene] I like it, keep it as it is.
-[x] [Reshoot] Delay the movie to reshoot (Negotiation Roll)
--[x] Reroll Hamish Linklater Screen Presence until 50 or higher. Use any additional reshoot points on a +10 boost towards Sean Patrick Flannery
 
While we consider Hawkeye a success, the execs comparatively consider it a failure, I don't want the other hero film they pushed against to also end up in the middling category, because while they will believe in our skill they may begin to not have faith in our creative control outside of the more "star" marvel characters.
 
Is there an option to scrap the scene changes? We can't really do the intended plan anymore if Nefaria is still suspected of wrongdoing.
To be honest this just seems like a bad idea. Even though the change wasn't everything we wanted, it's still good.

In fact it might be better in some ways.

Firstly, it shows SHIELD, or at least Nick Fury isn't fooled by Nefaria, which ups Nick Fury's status a bit. It also ups the Maggia's power because they are influential enough for their leader to avoid being arrested because of favors/blackmail/etc. even when the government basically knows that they were up to something potentially suspicious.

Going back to him just being fully arrested eliminates his credibility/threat as a villain and the threat of the Maggia as an organization before we've even properly used them.
 
While we consider Hawkeye a success, the execs comparatively consider it a failure, I don't want the other hero film they pushed against to also end up in the middling category, because while they will believe in our skill they may begin to not have faith in our creative control outside of the more "star" marvel characters.
Hawkeye's failures also came from the fact of when it was picked to be released, while April 29th is a really good release date option.

And I understand not wanting to fail, which is why I made the plan that I did, so we can fix the problems and have a good movie.
 
While we consider Hawkeye a success, the execs comparatively consider it a failure, I don't want the other hero film they pushed against to also end up in the middling category, because while they will believe in our skill they may begin to not have faith in our creative control outside of the more "star" marvel characters.
That's more of an issue with our release date than its quality. April 29, meanwhile, is perhaps the most perfect date to release Wonder Man and we'll be riding on the success of our previous movies, so we'll most likely make far more money than we did with Hawkeye.
 
What if I added a [Change] in my plan to reduce Scarecrow's role in the film slightly to give more of the villain role to Living Laser? Although that could backfire spectacularly with Scarecrow actor refusing to reshoot.
 
What if I added a [Change] in my plan to reduce Scarecrow's role in the film slightly to give more of the villain role to Living Laser? Although that could backfire spectacularly with Scarecrow actor refusing to reshoot.

Eh, I don't know if it's worth it. We could end up in another situation where we're left halfway between two plans like with the whole Nefaria arrest fiasco. Only it would be worse, because this is the meat of the movie.

While we consider Hawkeye a success, the execs comparatively consider it a failure, I don't want the other hero film they pushed against to also end up in the middling category, because while they will believe in our skill they may begin to not have faith in our creative control outside of the more "star" marvel characters.

That's about where I'm at too, middling success or even potential failure here would really hurt our creative credibility. I really… really hope the next rerolls are good enough to boost the median.

Luckily the romance wasn't too important, and the editing is good enough.
 
Eh, I don't know if it's worth it. We could end up in another situation where we're left halfway between two plans like with the whole Nefaria arrest fiasco. Only it would be worse, because this is the meat of the movie.



That's about where I'm at too, middling success or even potential failure here would really hurt our creative credibility. I really… really hope the next reroll are good enough to boost the median.

Luckily the romance wasn't too important, and the editing is good enough.
Yeah I think we're better off just doing the reshoots. Changing the movie to reduce the Scarecrow's role could backfire hugely.
 
[x] Plan: Keep Moving Forward & Fix Scarecrow

As an aside, does anyone else feel like changing how exactly the Infinity Stones function? It always felt to me that the more esoteric applications and meanings behind the stones were sort of ignored for the movies, and rarely did Thanos combine the functions of two or more stones.

Originally, in the comics, they were a sort of physical representative of a fundamental force/aspect of the universe which is why they've stuck around for eons without being destroyed. To destroy them would potentially lead to catastrophic results, as if you were destroying a linchpin of the universe. Likewise, they gave you complete authority over that part of reality and the limitations of that are constrained only by the imagination.

In the MCU... this is not really the case anymore, the stones are significantly less powerful until the point that Thanos managed to gather them all where their combined power took a sharp jump upwards back to the universal scale. That is potentially a good thing, because it makes Thanos losing more believable, but it's also feels like they gutted the wonder and awe of the stones a little.

Personally, I kind of want this version of the stones to still be unimaginably powerful, but be heavily dependent upon the users capability to handle the amount of power they are channeling. Thanos would have a far more easy time of it than say... Pepper, and Galactus would be leagues more terrifying.
 
[x] Plan: Keep Moving Forward & Fix Scarecrow
-[x] [Mid-Credit Scene] I like it, keep it as it is.
-[x] [Post-Credit Scene] I like it, keep it as it is.
-[x] [Reshoot] Delay the movie to reshoot (Negotiation Roll)
--[x] Reroll Hamish Linklater Screen Presence until 50 or higher. Use any additional reshoot points on a +10 boost towards Sean Patrick Flannery
 
[x] Plan: Keep Moving Forward & Fix Scarecrow

As an aside, does anyone else feel like changing how exactly the Infinity Stones function? It always felt to me that the more esoteric applications and meanings behind the stones were sort of ignored for the movies, and rarely did Thanos combine the functions of two or more stones.

Originally, in the comics, they were a sort of physical representative of a fundamental force/aspect of the universe which is why they've stuck around for eons without being destroyed. To destroy them would potentially lead to catastrophic results, as if you were destroying a linchpin of the universe. Likewise, they gave you complete authority over that part of reality and the limitations of that are constrained only by the imagination.

In the MCU... this is not really the case anymore, the stones are significantly less powerful until the point that Thanos managed to gather them all where their combined power took a sharp jump upwards back to the universal scale. That is potentially a good thing, because it makes Thanos losing more believable, but it's also feels like they gutted the wonder and awe of the stones a little.

Personally, I kind of want this version of the stones to still be unimaginably powerful, but be heavily dependent upon the users capability to handle the amount of power they are channeling. Thanos would have a far more easy time of it than say... Pepper, and Galactus would be leagues more terrifying.
I like it, and perhaps could mean that it is truly something special about Nefaria that he was and is able to "science" the stones with relative safety and order. (At least, until some knuckleheads broke in and messed up the place)

Potentially from his status as being a nobleman, extremely wealthy old money has given him access to fundamental secrets about the universe (leaning into marvel's magic system a bit) that helps him operate and research the stones.

While Stark's family wealth was more recently generated. WW2 vs multiple centuries of time.
 
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