Why oh why can't their be a fic where Glen gets told off for his ridiculous fashion sense? The man is a narcissist, can't dress himself, and he's expected to create Heroic Wardrobe?

Also... TAYLOR!
STICK TO YOUR DAMNED GUNS!
YOU DON'T LIKE FRILLY ANIME CRAP!
*sighs* at least it's not pink, right?

I mean really. Just once?
Is it so hard? Nutshot Glen's Pride.
*thunking headdesk*
Just once is all I ask.

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23,000 words...
Praise Grounders10!
if you want Glenn getting abused, may I suggest Ladybird? Basically, Taylor as a unicorn from MLP. Glenn gets seriously dunked on. The story recently migrated to SB, so it shouldn't be too hard to find.
 
Sure, but
1)Given Taylor's going to be flying around and otherwise giving everyone a good view of what she's wearing underneath her skirt, that needs to be taken into account with some sort of body suit or bikini style outfit (think cheerleader outfits).

This was my first thought on seeing the picture. It could make a decent superhero outfit (though not one I see Danny easily accepting :p) if it weren't for the flying.
 
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It's an opinion, the author's free to heed or disregard it at their convenience. And while the individual scenes are well done and entertaining, the overall pacing feels like it's starting to plod to me.
Eh, a sufficiently talented author can scam readers into reading hundreds of thousands of words of prologue. Patrick Rothfuss has admitted to doing so, so why can't Grounders?
 
2)Fathers generally take quite a while to adjust to their baby girl growing up and wanting to dress to show off her body.

It varies. My daughter was Taylor's age six years ago, and I adjusted pretty damned quickly. Especially after seeing what she wanted to wear and comparing it to some of the other things girls her age were wearing. Jeebus! :o:o:o
 
Yup, and I wanted to get the opposite view in.
My point is that college age Annette might have broken Danny's sense of decency to be "Is she wearing clothes? OK, better than expected"
Amusing thought, but doesn't seem to fit the setting or Danny's behavior so far.
It varies. My daughter was Taylor's age six years ago, and I adjusted pretty damned quickly. Especially after seeing what she wanted to wear and comparing it to some of the other things girls her age were wearing. Jeebus! :o:o:o
I'll grant it varies, and if Taylor came to Danny and said "this is what I want to wear" I can see him agreeing after some arguing, but what we have in the story is a grown man going to Danny and saying "this is what I want Taylor to wear" and that I can't see him agreeing with, especially not if he looks at what Taylor has been wearing.
 
it's the Star Guardian Ahri outfit.

So, yes. Very much yes.

I love this picture, the thought of Taylor in this uniform is incredibly amusing as well. Her symbol should be the head of a fox though.

On a side note, are there any thoughts for other gods eventually? If not, can we totally get both Vicky and Amy as deities eventually? I've love to see Amy as goddess of life and Vicky as goddess of Victory, after all, both are very appropriate.
 
1)Given Taylor's going to be flying around and otherwise giving everyone a good view of what she's wearing underneath her skirt, that needs to be taken into account with some sort of body suit or bikini style outfit (think cheerleader outfits).
This was my first thought on seeing the picture. It could make a decent superhero outfit (though not one I see Danny easily accepting :p) if it weren't for the flying.
I imagine any outfit with a skirt will include shorts under them like a cheerleader's, it's the default for my mental image at least.

It varies. My daughter was Taylor's age six years ago, and I adjusted pretty damned quickly. Especially after seeing what she wanted to wear and comparing it to some of the other things girls her age were wearing. Jeebus! :o:o:o
I'd post the description if Aisha's outfit if I could find it easily, but she's usually depicted as wearing essentially a ripped mesh shirt, neon bra, and bootie shorts. Think any 'ganger girl' out of 80s action movies, only with better hair and no roller skates.
 
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I'll grant it varies, and if Taylor came to Danny and said "this is what I want to wear" I can see him agreeing after some arguing, but what we have in the story is a grown man going to Danny and saying "this is what I want Taylor to wear" and that I can't see him agreeing with, especially not if he looks at what Taylor has been wearing.

It depends on how many other fifteen year old girls he's seen in the wild while he's out and about.


I'd post the description if Aisha's outfit if I could find it easily, but she's usually depicted as wearing essentially a ripped mesh shirt, neon bra, and bootie shorts. Think any 'ganger girl' out of 80s action movies, only with better hair and no roller skates.

Aisha was the first thing I thought of when thinking about what not to wear :)
 
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If not, can we totally get both Vicky and Amy as deities eventually? I've love to see Amy as goddess of life and Vicky as goddess of Victory, after all, both are very appropriate.
I think parahumans can't become gods at all due to power conflicts. Based on everything said regarding power types so far I would be very very surprised if a person could in fact be a god and parahuman at the same time. Its possible that a parahuman that lost their powers either from a brain injury or something similar could ascend as a god but that is the most I can think of.
 
Eh, a sufficiently talented author can scam readers into reading hundreds of thousands of words of prologue. Patrick Rothfuss has admitted to doing so, so why can't Grounders?

Enh. that's not a prologue. He basically wrote a prequel before he wrote (most) of his actual story. It's very different from what Grounders is currently in the process of.
 
I think parahumans can't become gods at all due to power conflicts. Based on everything said regarding power types so far I would be very very surprised if a person could in fact be a god and parahuman at the same time. Its possible that a parahuman that lost their powers either from a brain injury or something similar could ascend as a god but that is the most I can think of.
I wouldn't be too sure of that, IMHO it's more likely that any who ascend to godhood would consume their Shards as part of the ascension, thus giving them at least one known power set off the bat.
 
Why oh why can't their be a fic where Glen gets told off for his ridiculous fashion sense? The man is a narcissist, can't dress himself, and he's expected to create Heroic Wardrobe?

Also... TAYLOR!
STICK TO YOUR DAMNED GUNS!
YOU DON'T LIKE FRILLY ANIME CRAP!
*sighs* at least it's not pink, right?

I mean really. Just once?
Is it so hard? Nutshot Glen's Pride.
*thunking headdesk*
there is a story where that happens it's called Ladybird by RHJunior.
 
My guess is that Glenn dresses the way he does very deliberately, given that his entire job revolves around image management and he's apparently quite good at it.

Also I'd guess that the skirt in-story is a bit longer than the one in the picture and that it has a bike shorts layer under it. Taylor may be a water goddess, but she's not Aqua.
 
I imagine any outfit with a skirt will include shorts under them like a cheerleader's, it's the default for my mental image at least.

It doesn't really matter what's under it or how much shows, people are going to be creepy about seeing up a girl's skirt. Dragon's probably going to burn out a bunch of processors keeping PHO clear of inappropriate comments and pictures.
 
Because the ABB, and the Asians in general, of Brockton Bay are going to shit themselves enough as is when they see a nine tailed kitsune. No reason to add to that by linking her to one of the most feared beings in Japanese myth and legend on purpose.
And any other costume would not let her seem like a nine-tailed fox? I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. Not to mention that 99% won't get the reference to Tamamo-No-Mae. Especially since it's from an anime series, Fate, which should have an even smaller following on Earth Bet. So no lne would freak out. It just looks good and fits thematically.
 
1: Gets girls to want to be her, gets guys to want to date her (PR, pretty and showing it off fully *sells*)
2: The outfit from the fully practical minded, will look silly, so those combat maniacs won't take her seriously... at first.
3: It's non threatening. Even without the face mask, the frills, the white, et al just drive home "good girl" at a level most people won't think about. Somone to trust, someone to talk to. Glenn's whole goal is to make Taylor-Fox the PRT/Protectorate's 'face'. Part of that is not only colors, but style. Taylor's 15, show it. Use it. That helps with the goal. If she was older? Nope, some of the frills/etal would go away. Older ladies wouldn't need them, and in fact would look 'wut' in them. A 15 year old, somewhat 'shy'/'unsure'? Perfect!
This bit, especially number three, is how my thoughts on what Glenn would think went. Star Guardian Arhi is basically tame compared to what they've stuffed heroes in over the course of the series. She doesn't need protection, and they can't provide armour tough enough anyway, so its a green light on making her as non-threatening as possible, also an outfit like that will score amazingly well with the high school and elementary girls crowd. Which does mean more sales. (always a plus, even if a secondary one)
1)Given Taylor's going to be flying around and otherwise giving everyone a good view of what she's wearing underneath her skirt, that needs to be taken into account with some sort of body suit or bikini style outfit (think cheerleader outfits).
There will be.
2)Fathers generally take quite a while to adjust to their baby girl growing up and wanting to dress to show off her body. Given how Taylor dressed up to now Danny hasn't had that time to adjust.
Glenn has been very persuasive as to the 'tameness' and 'PR advantages' of this. The only reason discussions didn't go longer is because Danny is very aware of how stir crazy Taylor might become unless they can get her out of the house. (and he does not want her getting bored with her powers, they still haven't got the salt out of the chair as mentioned)
That said there are actually some very good reasons for Taylor to want to avoid any sort of association with eastern cultures. As Inari put it in the chapter
"Nor the Kimono I think. Between your nine tails and that you'd start a panic in the asian segment of this city I think."
Being seen as a nine-tail Kitsune would be bad enough, but a Kuhmio would be a lot worse.
Yeah, the Kimono was also (as a prototype) fairly low quality as more of a show piece. Long term I imagine they might have leaned on some of Japan's cultural heritage and started making her other Kimono's. And it was a proper kimono before anyone asks. Floor-length and everything. It would have limited her to mainly a blaster fighting style with very limited mobility for hand to hand. (unless she wanted to rip it apart). The only real other contender was the greek one, and the third was Nanoha's StrikerS outfit, which only really works for Nanoha because its literally her style.

Basically, I think it's time for her to start learning while actually getting out there and doing stuff.
I entirely agree with that, but I would point out the slower pace is deliberate in this story since its *mainly* a fluff piece meant for light-hearted comedy and character moments. Plus there will be some fight scenes here and there. My plans for Leviathan~ *refuses to say anything more*

This story diverges from canon at the locker scene. Annette has been dead for two+years.
Pre-locker scene. We're in July 2010 at present. Though in hindsight I'm really starting to regret having her shoved in a different locker. this is really confusing people... myself and my editor included.

My point is that college age Annette might have broken Danny's sense of decency to be "Is she wearing clothes? OK, better than expected"
... Well given who she ran with I'd expect at least some 'wild woman' antics happened on occasion. Frankly, this Danny is being dragged out of his own dark place right now and he's mostly just happy that Taylor is more active then she has been for the last while. Its amazing what people with that mindset are willing to permit at times. Plus he's comparing her to Annette and being fairly thankful about some of the things she *didn't* get from her.
This was my first thought on seeing the picture. It could make a decent superhero outfit (though not one I see Danny easily accepting :p) if it weren't for the flying.
measures will be taken... and the skirt is probably going to get lengthen a couple of inches at least by Taylor's request. Remember everything is prototype and that costume even has 'placeholder' stickers on it.

I love this picture, the thought of Taylor in this uniform is incredibly amusing as well. Her symbol should be the head of a fox though.
... How has that thought not crossed my mind before now?

On a side note, are there any thoughts for other gods eventually? If not, can we totally get both Vicky and Amy as deities eventually? I've love to see Amy as goddess of life and Vicky as goddess of Victory, after all, both are very appropriate.
There are plans for gods and goddesses.

It doesn't really matter what's under it or how much shows, people are going to be creepy about seeing up a girl's skirt. Dragon's probably going to burn out a bunch of processors keeping PHO clear of inappropriate comments and pictures.
That is an unfortunate facet of humanity. *sighing kitsune* there's always going to be at least one creep.

I would also like to point out that Glenn arranged for her to test her singing voice. Sure it got done up as a 'team bonding' thing, but it was entirely intended to test her singing voice. Can anyone think what he's planning? (and yes, he's not entirely thinking in her best interests. He's thinking PR and frankly there's always something a little off about PR and Marketing guys)

Not to mention that 99% won't get the reference to Tamamo-No-Mae. Especially since it's from an anime series, Fate, which should have an even smaller following on Earth Bet. So no lne would freak out. It just looks good and fits thematically.
.... Tamamo no Mae is one of the Three greatest Youkai in Japanese Mythology. She's basically the embodiment of evil. Fate's interpretation is as far off the mark as its interpretation of King Arthur or Emperor Nero.

We're talking a being reputed to have ended two Chinese dynasties, done the same with one in India, and tried to do it again in Japan. Driven off after each one and finally killed after the Japanese attempt. The Fate version of her is the Disney Classic's version. Very much whitewashed and prettied up.
 
I would also like to point out that Glenn arranged for her to test her singing voice. Sure it got done up as a 'team bonding' thing, but it was entirely intended to test her singing voice. Can anyone think what he's planning? (and yes, he's not entirely thinking in her best interests. He's thinking PR and frankly there's always something a little off about PR and Marketing guys)
He's trying to set her up as an Idol? Like Canary without the mind control and Simurgh references?
 
I really enjoyed this latest chapter. It's nice to see Taylor get along with the Wards. The karaoke was a nice touch to help further highlight Taylor's self-image issues.
It's also nice to see Vicky be more than the Flying Brick stereotype. Vicky dragging Taylor in front of the mirror was a particularly nice touch, though I do have to question how Taylor isn't more defensive around her since Vicky's behavior is likely very close to Emma's pre-bullying.
Regarding her costume choices, I think Danny is picking the least of the "evils" concerning modern Cape fashion. Better a skirt (with shorts underneath) than a full bodysuit that will show every last thing. Taylor seems to also be riding the high of such major self-image corrections and is picking something she normally wouldn't as a result. Remember, she also just wants the process over with ASAP so she can debut and go outside again...
EDIT: And of course as I post Grounders covers most of what I pointed out...
 
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.... Tamamo no Mae is one of the Three greatest Youkai in Japanese Mythology. She's basically the embodiment of evil. Fate's interpretation is as far off the mark as its interpretation of King Arthur or Emperor Nero.

We're talking a being reputed to have ended two Chinese dynasties, done the same with one in India, and tried to do it again in Japan. Driven off after each one and finally killed after the Japanese attempt. The Fate version of her is the Disney Classic's version. Very much whitewashed and prettied up.
Which is why no one will get the reference. Not to mention that you would have to be really, really devout to even consider this. 99% of the asian population will just react normally as they would to any other, with maybe not really liking the references (that they partially don't get), but no panic either. And if they did, it wouldn't matter if she had a kimono or not. You can see if someone has 9 tails and come to a conclusion. It's not that hard. A peace of clothing won't change that.
 
He's trying to set her up as an Idol? Like Canary without the mind control and Simurgh references?
His thought process probably started somewhere around pop star, but once the office otaku got involved the concept of a Japanese style idol probably floated all kinds of boats for him.
From the author's point of view, the near or literal worship involved is perfect.

Just waiting for the recommendation to adopt a verbal tic 'cutesy style'. I.E. "kon", "nya", etc.
 
I suppose the uniform may technically be tamer than a lot of other cape outfits, but to me, it feels like too great a leap from Taylor's previous style and self-image. Her self-image is definitely shown as improving, but this feels like way too much way too soon. Maybe if she had a secret identity and could see the outfit as a way to cut loose and be totally unselfconscious without anyone knowing who she was... but that isn't an option here.

I think Taylor could agree to wear the uniform, but it would seem more natural if it involved more protesting, convincing, and time. Or chlorine.
 
I suppose the uniform may technically be tamer than a lot of other cape outfits, but to me, it feels like too great a leap from Taylor's previous style and self-image. Her self-image is definitely shown as improving, but this feels like way too much way too soon. Maybe if she had a secret identity and could see the outfit as a way to cut loose and be totally unselfconscious without anyone knowing who she was... but that isn't an option here.

I think Taylor could agree to wear the uniform, but it would seem more natural if it involved more protesting, convincing, and time. Or chlorine.
Thank Vicky for that, thanks to her Taylor got a shot to her system when she realized that she had become pretty, that allowed for that new beginning.
 
Which is why no one will get the reference. Not to mention that you would have to be really, really devout to even consider this. 99% of the asian population will just react normally as they would to any other, with maybe not really liking the references (that they partially don't get), but no panic either. And if they did, it wouldn't matter if she had a kimono or not. You can see if someone has 9 tails and come to a conclusion. It's not that hard. A peace of clothing won't change that.
Yeaaaah, no. That's not the reaction that will happen in this 'verse.
First off, general state in Worm. Not sure on the official word, but in events/shitty worlds like these? People turn to places where they can find hope. Including religion and myths. It wasn't seen as a really important point in Worm, but it's an american story, in a country that has various religions that have differing myths all piled up.
Japan, China, Korea? Similar cultural backgrounds, and interconnected myths. Especially, as @Grounders10 pointed out, Tamamo-no-Mae. She's very much earned her terrifying reputation. And considering people would turn to mythology more, they would also get exposed to Tamamo's myth more. A being that ended 3 whole dynasties, faked death multiple times, was a master schemer and manipulator that made all around her dance to her strings, was only found out by literally divine intervention, and to some accounts dealt with an army of 80k soldiers(myths vary on that one, plus who knows what else happened in this verse). A walking nightmare WMD is being polite and understating it.

Second, capes tend to connect their outfits/equipment with their powers and a motif they follow. Not a bad thing in general, in this context it's horrible. In most other outfits asians wouldn't think too hard about it, as there are foxes in many other mythologies(though the 9 tails will give them pause) so they wouldn't link her right away to the walking horrorshow that was Tamamo. Put her in an old school full kimono(that when finished would likely evoke a noble/regal image), and paired by the fact she has Inari alongside her? Yeah, there's your panic.
Also to worsen the fact is that kitsune in myths tend to get more powers(and they get more powerfull overall) as they grow older and those powers don't have a specfic theme, but they're rather broad when compared to your average cape. Considering our Taylor has a wide variety of powers that keep expanding? The asian population would very much draw a wrong conlusion that would make an uncomfortable amount of sense.

And while there are good 9 tailed kitsune, servants of the God/dess Inari, they don't feature as prominently(that is to say, don't have that large of a legacy) as Tamamo. Plus, it's Worm, where people jump to the worst coclusion first before think it through.
 
so she can debut and go outside again...
She isn't eager to patrol, but she really, really wants to go outside. Sunshine~
He's trying to set her up as an Idol? Like Canary without the mind control and Simurgh references?
Basically yes. His PR plan involves the possibility of singing. Not necessarily on a stage, but the option is there. He thinks he can set her up as 'the good girl' for a major PR win. Yes its not exactly in Taylor's best interest, but PR is like that. I'll try and keep the fluff up, but there will be issues cropping up here and there.

Which is why no one will get the reference. Not to mention that you would have to be really, really devout to even consider this. 99% of the asian population will just react normally as they would to any other, with maybe not really liking the references (that they partially don't get), but no panic either. And if they did, it wouldn't matter if she had a kimono or not. You can see if someone has 9 tails and come to a conclusion. It's not that hard. A peace of clothing won't change that.
You are severely underestimating the prevalence and influence of folklore in the Asian community. China, Korea, and Japan are on average a lot more spiritual and this carries over with their first and second-generation migrants to western nations (third and later tend to assimilate more completely I've noticed). The nature of Earth Bet is also more like to produce people who either believe more fervently as a method of coping or who are simply desperate enough to want to believe, in both good and bad aspects of their religion. And yes, a piece of clothing can have an effect. In this case the clothing is the frame by which you present the hero, Taylor, to the world.

As an example, let's take Sophia for a moment. She looks like a thug. Let's be real. Her costume is practical, but it leaves her looking like a stern, uncompromising enforcer. Not someone who would consider approachable. Vista is a counterpoint example. Her visor and dress make her far more approachable and visually likeable. With Taylor, Glenn is aiming for Maximum approachability. That's it. That's his number one objective. The framework he's working to achieve is 'This is a Nice Girl, she works for the PRT, you can trust us'. Etc. Etc. Alone the frame is worthless, but it is still a critical component. Appearance has an unfortunately large effect on how we perceive people.
Thank Vicky for that, thanks to her Taylor got a shot to her system when she realized that she had become pretty, that allowed for that new beginning.
She's riding a bit of a mental high point. There will be some regret in the future. The skirt is definitely getting a bit longer.


Edit: And posted at the same time as @SnarkLord Haven't read their comment yet.
 
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