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The Taste of Peaches (Worm AU)

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Neruz said:
Generally speaking the most common meanings given to the sun as a symbol are light, fire, heat, growth, life, creation, order, good, purity, truth and power\leadership. I would expect a 'Sun' domain to have applications in at least three of the mentioned meanings, if not more.

The sun can also be pretty easily linked to 'knowledge' through light -> illumination of the unknown, and sun deities are often 'all seeing' in some capacity in reference to the omnipresence of the sun's light.
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i i remenber well the SUN aspects you are giving are not on the general of sun gods:

Rah god of the sun of the egypts do not possessed the part of grow good and order.

The greek god of sun do not possessed Fire (the one who had it was vulcano) or leadership

Quetzalcoat do not possessed good purity heat or fire

i not sure of the Nords but the goddess of light creation and grow was Frelya.

so no, i thin you are confused, sorry for that sir.


by the way, any of you have an idea of how survive the "puppy eyes"?

because i can't let Hakuno have her computer back before January or she would never learn.

XenahortX
 
hakunoX said:
i i remenber well the SUN aspects you are giving are not on the general of sun gods:

Rah god of the sun of the egypts do not possessed the part of grow good and order.

The greek god of sun do not possessed Fire (the one who had it was vulcano) or leadership

Quetzalcoat do not possessed good purity heat or fire

i not sure of the Nords but the goddess of light creation and grow was Frelya.

so no, i thin you are confused, sorry for that sir.
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I wasn't trying to suggest that all sun gods had all those attributes, just that most can reasonably be expected to express at least three of them in some manner.
 
To be honest though: Our fluffy author told us in the story not to comment on the sun staying on them longer though. I also believe that her previous Burning Bush impression while high on chlorine was an expression of her Sun Domain.
 
Norgarth said:
yes, but that's not common knowledge. The public knows you can get powers from having a really bad day and luck (having the Carona-thingy)
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As I understand it, the public does not know that. Probably Cauldron bullshit to keep it hidden, or maybe Earth Bet researchers are just that shitty.
 
The PRT actively hides the truth, according to WB, with Alexandria among others telling people that heroes get powers when they try to push through human limits while doing heroic things.

That was, of course a WoG, since it should not work, since every triggered parahuman knows better. Somebody would have called bullshit at some point.
 
Ravenwood240 said:
The PRT actively hides the truth, according to WB, with Alexandria among others telling people that heroes get powers when they try to push through human limits while doing heroic things.

That was, of course a WoG, since it should not work, since every triggered parahuman knows better. Somebody would have called bullshit at some point.
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But capes don't talk about their trigger events because it's a trauma? Even Glory Girl glosses over most of the factors surounding her trigger event, making it sound like she merely got fouled and that caused her trigger.
 
Ravenwood240 said:
The PRT actively hides the truth, according to WB, with Alexandria among others telling people that heroes get powers when they try to push through human limits while doing heroic things.

That was, of course a WoG, since it should not work, since every triggered parahuman knows better. Somebody would have called bullshit at some point.
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TheUnicorn said:
Doesn't matter. They could talk about how the PRT is obviously lying, because if that explanation was true there wouldn't be many villains, or anyone could realize that on their own.
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Depends on how how she defined "heroic", characters in Exalted, Exalt doing heroic deeds and that is not synonymous with good or nice.
 
Remember that the classic definition of "Hero" is just someone with extraordinary abilities, skill, or cleverness. Classic Heroes often were little better then what we'd call villains today. Theseus for example killed multiple people on his trip, then murdered his own father (without thinking about it). Heracles abandoned his duties to go kill the Hydra, which was just minding it's own business in a swamp. The rest of his famed "12 labors" were punishment for murdering his family, and for causing wanton destruction while preforming the labors. His 2nd or 3rd wife killed him using hind blood because he was cheating on her. Odyseus was actually quite the bastard too. In fact, most Heroes in greek myth are. Same is true for celtic myth and legend, nordic myth, and many others.
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
Remember that the classic definition of "Hero" is just someone with extraordinary abilities, skill, or cleverness. Classic Heroes often were little better then what we'd call villains today. Theseus for example killed multiple people on his trip, then murdered his own father (without thinking about it). Heracles abandoned his duties to go kill the Hydra, which was just minding it's own business in a swamp. The rest of his famed "12 labors" were punishment for murdering his family, and for causing wanton destruction while preforming the labors. His 2nd or 3rd wife killed him using hind blood because he was cheating on her. Odyseus was actually quite the bastard too. In fact, most Heroes in greek myth are. Same is true for celtic myth and legend, nordic myth, and many others.
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Herakles did plenty of bad stuff without blaming him for the death of his family, which happened while he was mind controlled by Hera.
 
Not arguing about that. But it is true that the Labors were mostly punishment for the murder of his family, regardless of why it happened. And not all versions even agree that Hera caused him to do it.
 
kairuf said:
Depends on how how she defined "heroic", characters in Exalted, Exalt doing heroic deeds and that is not synonymous with good or nice.
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FaerieKnight79 said:
Remember that the classic definition of "Hero" is just someone with extraordinary abilities, skill, or cleverness.
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While you, guys, of course right, I doubt PRT PR would use that definition for their propaganda. Because they label their... super-soldiers?.. as "heroes". And to say "hero" don't mean "good guy/gal" by default... If someone suggested that, (s)he'd likely would've end fired from PR team. Maybe even literally fired :mob:.
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
Remember that the classic definition of "Hero" is just someone with extraordinary abilities, skill, or cleverness. Classic Heroes often were little better then what we'd call villains today. Theseus for example killed multiple people on his trip, then murdered his own father (without thinking about it). Heracles abandoned his duties to go kill the Hydra, which was just minding it's own business in a swamp. The rest of his famed "12 labors" were punishment for murdering his family, and for causing wanton destruction while preforming the labors. His 2nd or 3rd wife killed him using hind blood because he was cheating on her. Odyseus was actually quite the bastard too. In fact, most Heroes in greek myth are. Same is true for celtic myth and legend, nordic myth, and many others.
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Hercules was admittedly specially sent to kill the Hydra by Eurystheus who was hoping it would kill him and indeed the Hydra had been raised by Hera to do just that so it wasn't a matter of abandoning duty.

His second wife was apparently literally his slave master though myths aren't really clear what happened to her later and his third wife would be the one who killed him via poisoning with a shirt tainted by a potion of centaur blood tainted by Hydra blood which she had been told would prevent him him from loving anyone else, of course the person who told her was the dying centaur who Hercules had shot with hydra poisoned arrows while for trying to kidnap her.
 
Alane1 said:
Hercules was admittedly specially sent to kill the Hydra by Eurystheus who was hoping it would kill him and indeed the Hydra had been raised by Hera to do just that so it wasn't a matter of abandoning duty.

His second wife was apparently literally his slave master though myths aren't really clear what happened to her later and his third wife would be the one who killed him via poisoning with a shirt tainted by a potion of centaur blood tainted by Hydra blood which she had been told would prevent him him from loving anyone else, of course the person who told her was the dying centaur who Hercules had shot with hydra poisoned arrows while for trying to kidnap her.
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Most versions of the myth have Herakles working as a Shepard for his father (who is not a ruler) and deciding to abandon his post to go kill the hydra, which was minding it's own business, after killing the Nemian Lion that attacks his flock. He drags his brother on this self imposed mission. Other versions have him being told to go kill the hydra, true. But a common theme is that he abandons his duties to hunt the Hydra.
 
Hmm, what You must be reading very different versions of the ancient myths than any I've ever seen in given the slaying of the Hydra is usually the second of the 12 labors with the slaying of the Nemian Lion being the first labor and never in any of the versions of the myths I ever seen has either task not been apart of the 12 labors set on him by Eurystheus.

Also in every version I've seen it was his nephew, the theban hero Iolaus, son of his half twin Iphicles who aided him against the Hydra not Iphicles. Iphicles instead took part in Hercules punitive expeditions against the cities of Troy and Sparta with Iphicles falling in battle against Sparta which typical fashion Hercules did not take well at all.
 
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They are considered part of the 12 Labors of Eurystheus, which were assigned as punishment for killing his family. However the Nemian Lion and often the Hydra were not part of his punishment detail. The first set of labors were as punishment for killing his family, with additional ones tacked on because he kept causing wanton destruction. Such as flooding (and thus destroying) the stables he was suppose to clean when he redirected a river through the stables to clean them. He then was assigned more Labors after killing his second family in a rage (which may or may not have been induced by Hera, depending on version).

I once got failing grade for a class on Greek Mythology because I was aware of more versions of the myths then appear in the text book we were assigned. Which I could back up via bringing in copies of them for the teacher to read. The teacher believed there is only one version of every myth, so I got an F on every assignment due to showing myself to be more knowledgable then the teacher.
 
Well, that was a bad teacher then. However, this argument over what myth is more accurate is completely pointless because theres a good chance that we are all right. Greece wasnt a monument after all and was made up of a large number of citystates, all with different cultures, beliefs and myths. At the end of the day, we can only work with what we know and, unless we get confermation one way or another, each one is just as valid as any other.
 
Koraan said:
While you, guys, of course right, I doubt PRT PR would use that definition for their propaganda. Because they label their... super-soldiers?.. as "heroes". And to say "hero" don't mean "good guy/gal" by default... If someone suggested that, (s)he'd likely would've end fired from PR team. Maybe even literally fired :mob:.
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Fired out of a tinker tech cannon. From the top of the rig. Further out to sea. While on fire as well.
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
Heracles abandoned his duties to go kill the Hydra, which was just minding it's own business in a swamp. The rest of his famed "12 labors" were punishment for murdering his family, and for causing wanton destruction while preforming the labors. His 2nd or 3rd wife killed him using hind blood because he was cheating on her.
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ummmm, i remind you than Herakles (not hercules, and even then) in the original myth the only true evil action he made was with the murder of Charion which he got traumatized, the rest of his evil actions were thanks to Hera who hated his gutts and wanted him in Tartarus; he was mastered (using Worm Terms) to kill his wife and son (both who he loved) and then was exiled in order to make sure than he do not go against "hera's chosen" his brother (which was the king only because Hera wanted), after that Zeus helped him a lot and Hera in fits of rage tried to kill him a lot of times (or send him to die) making the 2 labors.

the Nemean Hydra was him just killing a monster of the gods.

what you are refering, and being honest in a bad way, is the movie Herakles; which it has little to do with Mythology an like "Hercules" from Disney "make him a christian hero" they make him with it a "Greek Monster".

a lot of stories of the heroes commiting evil actions were ultimetly fault of the gods themselves, Medea killing her family and trying to kill Jason?

she was Forced by Aphrodite to "truly fall in love" with jason (which i sure it would perfectly fit in the troupe "Jackass") and Jason ordered her to do those acts, and with the order in place she was litterally frced to do it without another choice, not mattering if her father loved her (he was) or if she loved her brother (she loved him) or if the country loved them (they done it) and at the end she tried to kill Jason not only because he dihed her but because she got free of the "lvoe" and wanted to make him pay for what he has done to her.

in WORM terms: Heartbreker (correct me if i am wrong) kipnap a preatty woman, he absolutly make her depending on him, order her to kill her father and brother who she loves, she makes a lot of evil things becase he ordered her and at the end she get's diched because she is not funny anymore she triggers becoming inmune to her power in the way and tries to get revenge against him at any way.

pretty mch any greek story can be resumed "the gods (except Hades) making Humans misarable because YES)"
FaerieKnight79 said:
Thus why I like to point out there are many versions of most myths.
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and the mayority still has the elements of before.

so the point is not valid.

XenahortX

by the way, i should let Hakuno be free this night? i mean, it's christmash
 
Honestly, out of everything in Worm, I dont think hiding how Trigger Events work is a bad idea. Quite the opersite actually. Can you imagine the chaos if that got out? I have a feeling that desition was probably made back when the Cauldron first started before they all started taking Stupid Pills.
 
Ah, but "people trigger by pushing beyond human limits to do something Heroic" would have to be using the classical definition of what a hero is. Otherwise, no very public trigger event related disaster could exist.

hakunoX said:
ummmm, i remind you than Herakles (not hercules, and even then) in the original myth the only true evil action he made was with the murder of Charion which he got traumatized, the rest of his evil actions were thanks to Hera who hated his gutts and wanted him in Tartarus; he was mastered (using Worm Terms) to kill his wife and son (both who he loved) and then was exiled in order to make sure than he do not go against "hera's chosen" his brother (which was the king only because Hera wanted), after that Zeus helped him a lot and Hera in fits of rage tried to kill him a lot of times (or send him to die) making the 2 labors.

the Nemean Hydra was him just killing a monster of the gods.

what you are refering, and being honest in a bad way, is the movie Herakles; which it has little to do with Mythology an like "Hercules" from Disney "make him a christian hero" they make him with it a "Greek Monster".
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I have read many versions of various Greek myths. And while I have seen the Disney animated movie for Hercules and the absolutely horrible Hercules in New York that starred a young Govenator, I have not watched any of the other various movies about Hercules. I will admit the series Hercules: The Legendary Journeys was fun though.

There are versions of the myth where Herakles (the original spelling) where Herc is specifically sent to kill the nemian lion and hydra. There are also many many versions where he kills the lion only because it's his job to do so since it's attacking the herd of sheep he's suppose to be guarding, and he then abandons his post when he hears of the hydra. There are versions where Hera drives Herc into a homicidal rage, causing him to kill his wife and children (twice). There are also versions where Hera didn't have to do so, because Herc flew into a rage and killed his family entirely on his own. There are versions where he remarries, and kills his second family thus gets sent on more labors after the initial 5 or 6. There are also versions where he only remarries once, and that's to the woman who is tricked into killing him with poisoned blood. In those versions half his labors are because he either caused wanton destruction while preforming a labor or 'cheated' to accomplish it. In one version the hydra was his first punishment Labor, and he was considered to have cheated because he brought someone else along with him instead of facing the hydra alone. Most versions of the legend though have Herc going after the hydra without being told to do so for one reason or another.

Note, the original greek spelling of his name is Herakles. Hercules is the romanized version of his name.
 
This all seems off topic since there's no way the PRT or Protectorate would ever use the classical definition of a hero, at least intentionally.
 
Koraan said:
While you, guys, of course right, I doubt PRT PR would use that definition for their propaganda. Because they label their... super-soldiers?.. as "heroes". And to say "hero" don't mean "good guy/gal" by default...
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FaerieKnight79 said:
Ah, but "people trigger by pushing beyond human limits to do something Heroic" would have to be using the classical definition of what a hero is. Otherwise, no very public trigger event related disaster could exist.
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But the PR team could say look they did something heroic to get their powers and isn't it sad that they didn't continue being heroes and instead fell into villainy. It helps put a positive spin on the gaining powers and then an emphasis on the individual choice of the person to become a villain. Which helps avoid things becoming people with powers are evil.

Which was what my point with exalted is is that to get a solar or a lunar exaltation you have to do the impossible and it tends to be something good that you're doing, but that doesn't mean that someone isn't also an A-hole.

Dis Lexic said:
Honestly, out of everything in Worm, I dont think hiding how Trigger Events work is a bad idea. Quite the opersite actually. Can you imagine the chaos if that got out?
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I think part of it if I'm remembering canon right was that if you know that going through those events can give you superpowers it actually makes it much more difficult for you to reach the right state of mind that you can trigger
 
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