The side that provides additional groceries?

EDIT: Also remember, while the Dark Side might say they have cookies... they are lying.

I have to admit that I have, indeed, seen one series resolve the "major demon lord getting free of Sealed Evil In A Can status" with "Come to the Light Side, We Have Cookies"..... quite literally so. Demon Lord sold out the cause for baked goodies.
 
There's no logical reason for Emma to jump to that conclusion, if there was the PRT would have figured out Taylor is a power Granter and be treating her very differently.
What you're describing isn't putting 2+2 and getting 4, it's 2+2=Cheese. Granted in this specific case I believe the correct answer is Cake so if Emma does leap to a completely baseless conclusion like you describe she'll be closer to the correct answer than the PRT is, but it's still not a logical conclusion for her to leap to.

The problem is that she isn't mentally sane and if she sees a second fox eared person with tails who used to be a normal person, she might well leap to the wrong conclusion or corect one in her mind.
 
I can't recall if it's canon or fanon, but wasn't part of Emma's bullying of Taylor to 'make her strong'? If part of Emma believes that they obviously she succeeded, Taylor just beatdown Hookwolf and Stormtiger, and chased off Abalaster, Victor and Squealer (after wrecking her tank). A Squeler only escaped because she's slipperier than Taylor realized and bugged out while Taylor was busy with the E88.
 
I can't recall if it's canon or fanon, but wasn't part of Emma's bullying of Taylor to 'make her strong'? If part of Emma believes that they obviously she succeeded, Taylor just beatdown Hookwolf and Stormtiger, and chased off Abalaster, Victor and Squealer (after wrecking her tank). A Squeler only escaped because she's slipperier than Taylor realized and bugged out while Taylor was busy with the E88.
Pretty sure thats fanon. Or at least, she wasnt doing that by the time of the start of the story. I'm pretty sure that Emmas actual reason was to prove to herself that she was strong by breaking what (to her) represented her weak former self or something equally stupid.
 
I can't recall if it's canon or fanon, but wasn't part of Emma's bullying of Taylor to 'make her strong'? If part of Emma believes that they obviously she succeeded, Taylor just beatdown Hookwolf and Stormtiger, and chased off Abalaster, Victor and Squealer (after wrecking her tank). A Squeler only escaped because she's slipperier than Taylor realized and bugged out while Taylor was busy with the E88.
That's actually fanon.

After all, how did Emma react in canon to Taylor actually being strong? Massive BSOD to the point of not evacuating during Gold Morning.

That's definitely not the behavior of someone who wanted to make Taylor strong. That's a bully learning how wrong her worldview is.
 
True, but she would want to change from an owner that masters her into attacking the planet to one that doesn't, and gives her more freedom. Lesser of two evils thing.
That depends? If she already have plan(s) how to free hersalf from Eidolon, for example, I think she'd rather wait than jump to different "owner" from whom might be more difficult to free herself.

Oh dear, Amy's got a crush.
Hey... I just realise - what if that's Shaper's work? I mean, Shaper want to figure out "that weird specie", and nudge host to have more contacts with it. :o
 
Wow, I did once something similar on the subreddit in Eve Online and the result was me getting a warning from my superiors because of opsec breach. Something like that is strategic information, not something to be disclosed.

Wards and stuff leaking Intel on a PHO seems to be the norm.

Treating public forum like it's an internal chat isn't great for opsec.
 
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After all, how did Emma react in canon to Taylor actually being strong? Massive BSOD to the point of not evacuating during Gold Morning.

That's definitely not the behavior of someone who wanted to make Taylor strong. That's a bully learning how wrong her worldview is.
A bit of both I suspect. She was using Sophia's really warped definition of "strength" after all; and Taylor being Skitter violated both her view of Taylor as "weak" and her entire idea of what strength was.

There's no room in that predator/prey edgy teen pseudo-philosophy for somebody who can easily kill you at any time but refrains from even threatening to do so even in the face of constant harassment and attack.
 
And in contrast I love it, at least when (like in this case) it's done well.
Topic: Shootout in the docks

Everything that happens between these 2 sections is pure fluff.
Topic: Corentine, The Fluffy One
So I'm going to ignore the big elephant floating in the room and summarize the actual content.

We have :
a play-by-play reaction by people to what's going on.
Vista tries to be serious.
Clockblocker is not.
Vista gets mad,
Glory Girl calls for aid.
Glory Girl gets shutdown.
Kitsune vs gumiho debate
Clockblocker Leaking her power growth.

1-4 add nothing that we haven't seen before in terms of action or character, 5&6 are kind of pointless and SoD breaking(more on that later), 7 gets covered just as much earlier in the chapter and in the next PHO post(and IMHO Is better as a one line joke and then the reoccurring references we keep getting). And 8? 8 is useful, it is potentially relevant to the story but could be just as easily folded into the next PHO segment.

5, 6 & the elephant in the room are related to timeline. It just boggles my mind that in the roughly 5? minutes the fight lasted someone put a thread up on PHO, All these major characters had time to see it, comment on it and in the case of Glory Girl ping someone on a third party site rather than contact them directly. No seriously, she should have her mother and her aunt's phone number WTF is she doing? Same with Vista? Why is serious, mature Vista not busy making sure that someone knows that Taylor is fighting Squealer and the E88?

And I bring this up because so much of the modern new writers culture is "Word count. Word count. Word Count!" because a lot of it is actually being able to get the words out on paper.

I feel like the difference between a good writer and a great writer is how effectively they use their word count. (And yes this does mean that I think @Grounders10 could be a great writer)

This is something we have in European myths as well, it just is a different organ.

According to Eastern belief, the liver is the seat of a body's vital energy. According to European, African and South American myth, that is the heart.
At least, the heart is the seat of a beings power. There is no exact alternative for the idea of 'vital energy'.

So eating the liver is, for Asians, just the same as eating the heart of a defeated enemy to gain its strength is for the West.

Pretty much any mythological creature that preys on others (for more than just meat) goes for the liver in the East, and for the heart in the West.

So here's the thing, Out of those 50 Fox myths that I mentioned none of them Japanese Chinese or even the Koreans mention foxes preying on humanity (and there are some really scandalous and creepy myths in those books). In general foxes are portrayed as tricksters they may be malicious they may be benevolent But outside of a few specific Korean myths and Tamamo No Mae myth chain they are not actively bloodthirsty.

Which goes back to my original point, our perspectives of what myths are well known are a result of modern pop culture, modern writers wanting to use a Korean flavor of mythology emphasize the bloodthirsty legends of a gumiho to make their tale more distinct from the Chinese and Japanese fox mythology.

But if you didn't have that pop culture emphasis, like Earth Bet does not, and someone gave you a book of a hundred myths you would have to take the most common portrayals as the most well known.

Odd but funny fact the Kitsune in Mercedes Lackey's Serrated Edge (1993) series predates every pop culture Kitsune portrayal I could find except for Tails from sonic the hedgehog.
 
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Everything that happens between these 2 sections is pure fluff.

So I'm going to ignore the big elephant floating in the room and summarize the actual content.

We have :
a play-by-play reaction by people to what's going on.
Vista tries to be serious.
Clockblocker is not.
Vista gets mad,
Glory Girl calls for aid.
Glory Girl gets shutdown.
Kitsune vs gumiho debate
Clockblocker Leaking her power growth.

1-4 add nothing that we haven't seen before in terms of action or character, 5&6 are kind of pointless and SoD breaking(more on that later), 7 gets covered just as much earlier in the chapter and in the next PHO post(and IMHO Is better as a one line joke and then the reoccurring references we keep getting). And 8? 8 is useful, it is potentially relevant to the story but could be just as easily folded into the next PHO segment.

5, 6 & the elephant in the room are related to timeline. It just boggles my mind that in the roughly 5? minutes the fight lasted someone put a thread up on PHO, All these major characters had time to see it, comment on it and in the case of Glory Girl ping someone on a third party site rather than contact them directly. No seriously, she should have her mother and her aunt's phone number WTF is she doing? Same with Vista? Why is serious, mature Vista not busy making sure that someone knows that Taylor is fighting Squealer and the E88?

And I bring this up because so much of the modern new writers culture is "Word count. Word count. Word Count!" because a lot of it is actually being able to get the words out on paper.

I feel like the difference between a good writer and a great writer is how effectively they use their word count. (And yes this does mean that I think @Grounders10 could be a great writer)



So here's the thing, Out of those 50 Fox mess that I mentioned none of them Japanese Chinese or even the Koreans mention foxes preying on humanity (and there are some really scandalous and creepy myths in those books). In general foxes are portrayed as tricksters they may be malicious they may be benevolent But outside of a few specific Korean myths and Tamamo No Mae myth chain they are not actively bloodthirsty.

Which goes back to my original point, our perspectives of what myths are well known are a result of modern pop culture, modern writers wanting to use a Korean flavor of mythology emphasize the bloodthirsty legends of a gumiho to make their tale more distinct from the Chinese and Japanese fox mythology.

But if you didn't have that pop culture emphasis, like Earth Bet does not, and someone gave you a book of a hundred myths you would have to take the most common portrayals as the most well known.

Odd but funny fact the Kitsune in Mercedes Lackey's Serrated Edge (1993) series predates every pop culture Kitsune portrayal I could find except for Tails from sonic the hedgehog.
AD&D's Kara Tur/Oriental Adventures setting was out in 1985, and they were playable there, with more powerful ones being frequent adversaries.
 
There's no room in that predator/prey edgy teen pseudo-philosophy for somebody who can easily kill you at any time but refrains from even threatening to do so even in the face of constant harassment and attack.
"Strong men can always afford to be gentle. Only the weak are intent on giving as good as they get." -Elbert Hubbard
I could have sworn I've heard a more metal version of that quote somewhere...
 
AD&D's Kara Tur/Oriental Adventures setting was out in 1985, and they were playable there, with more powerful ones being frequent adversaries.
I said every pop culture reference I could find. Key implication, popular :V
"Strong men can always afford to be gentle. Only the weak are intent on giving as good as they get." -Elbert Hubbard
I could have sworn I've heard a more metal version of that quote somewhere...

Diskworld maybe?
"Something Vimes had learned as a young guard drifted up from memory. If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat.

They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar.

So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word."


I can just hear my CEO screaming at me for leaking stuff like that. Wouldn't be funny.
You sure that's not just Director Piggot's scream? Because holy cow Clockblocker is in so much trouble.
 
...Did Ziz just have a Cuteness Proximity Meltdown?
Fun science fact; tails actually do have a mind of their own. Tails are connected to the spine, which is part of the central nervous system and connected to the brain. The important part about the spine though is that the spine is actually an extension of the brain, which can be seen from the meninges extending down around the spinal cord along with cerebrospinal fluid. Finally, the spinal cord is the central nexus for controlling reflexes, as well as containing neural circuits that store the patterns for rhythmic movements like walking. This is why you don't have to think about the exact movement of your legs when walking, and why reflexes are slightly quicker than conscious reactions.

In short, the spine has a little bit of brainpower in it, mostly specialized for motor control.

Tails are connected to the other end of the spine from the brain.


If you just thought 'hey, wouldn't that mean that the movements of a tail is probably mostly done by the spine?' then give yourself a cookie, you are 100% correct.

Tails are almost entirely subconsciously controlled, this is why they are such good indicators of emotional state and why animals sometimes appear to be surprised by their own tails (they are). Much like breathing and walking, tails can be manually controlled as well, but also like those things it returns to subconscious control as soon as you stop paying attention to it, which is why animals often seem to have very little control over what their tails do.
Of course this doesn't apply to all tailed animals everywhere; there are always exceptions, but the vast majority of tailed tetrapods are like this.
Sort of like how Octopus tentacles have bundles of nerve tissue to control them, probably a bit more separate since they don't have spines. As far as I understand it, the Octopus' brain tells them what to do, but the tentacles decide themselves on how to do it, exactly.
 
So here's the thing, Out of those 50 Fox myths that I mentioned none of them Japanese Chinese or even the Koreans mention foxes preying on humanity (and there are some really scandalous and creepy myths in those books). In general foxes are portrayed as tricksters they may be malicious they may be benevolent But outside of a few specific Korean myths and Tamamo No Mae myth chain they are not actively bloodthirsty.

Which goes back to my original point, our perspectives of what myths are well known are a result of modern pop culture, modern writers wanting to use a Korean flavor of mythology emphasize the bloodthirsty legends of a gumiho to make their tale more distinct from the Chinese and Japanese fox mythology.

But if you didn't have that pop culture emphasis, like Earth Bet does not, and someone gave you a book of a hundred myths you would have to take the most common portrayals as the most well known.

First of, I mainly gave some information where the liver thing came from.

Second, We also have a bit of a case of Orange & Blue Morality here. Kitsune are tricksters, and often use those tricks as lessons or punishments. But some of those tricks, even those meant as lessons, can be absolutely viscious and brutal for us. They don't mean to harm, but they easely do because they don't fully understand our morality. That does get better with increasing number of tails, but that is mostly an experience factor.

Thirdly, while the actively dangerous kitsune are rare, they do exist. And most likely those few ruin the fun for the majority. I would not be surprised of most kitsune or gumiho consider those that prey on humans to be lazy layabouts unwilling to put in the full 800+ years of effort to become ninetails.

Lastly, remember that Inari kept from laughing at the 'liver or tofu' question. That means she knows exactly what was meant with the question. That also means the pop culture of actively malicious kitsune exists on Earth Bet. Although it is most likely true that the actual pop culture isn't as widespread on Earth Bet as it is here.
Now remember that this is Brockton Bay, hometown of the ABB, a gang mostly created out of refugees and descendents of refugees from China, Korea and Japan. Many of them will know those few Korean Gumiho myths, or the Tamamo-no-mae myth, or others of the pop culture.
In a situation like that, a kitsune's reaction on the 'liver or tofu' question, would give everyone a hint on how dangerous the kitsune is.
And then we have Taylor, who has no idea of the actual meaning behind the question, because she doesn't know the pop culture, cheerfully answers 'I like Liver'.
This will most likely have a number of (Asian) people come to a completely wrong conclusion.

I wonder what Taylors reaction will be when Inari informs her she essentially answered 'Yes, I eat people'...

Would she have answered 'I like liver'? Or would she have given a more in depth answer like she gave to her fellow wards, like 'I prefer liver, but tofu isn't bad either'?
 
Since they know so little about them, it's just as likely from an in-universe point of view that Behemoth is engaging in psychological warfare using the anticipation to breed fear, for example.
I could argue that's still a form of Sandbagging, but granting that you still have all the rest, plus of course the fact that while what we see doesn't match Tt. description of how ridiculously tough they are, it does show there was no reason for them to retreat when they did (as shown in the Delhi fight).

Wait, the poster here did this 4 other times today and they let them stay unbanned the other times?
More like they managed to accumulate 5 offences before the Moderators got to them, then dropped the hammer on them since it was clearly a pattern of behavior, not a one-off case.

The problem is that she isn't mentally sane and if she sees a second fox eared person with tails who used to be a normal person, she might well leap to the wrong conclusion or corect one in her mind.
True, that's what the joke about the only way she'd jump to the conclusion was about.

I can't recall if it's canon or fanon,
I don't remember either, but either way it would be part of Emma lying to herself not something she actually meant.
After all, how did Emma react in canon to Taylor actually being strong? Massive BSOD to the point of not evacuating during Gold Morning.
Which doesn't mean she wasn't telling herself she was doing it for Taylor's own good.

Everything that happens between these 2 sections is pure fluff.
The term you're looking for is World building and character development (of secondary characters). I get that you don't like the way @Grounders10 did it, but I and a lot of other people do, and it does contribute a lot to the story. You do have a point about GG calling people's phones, but I think it works anyway.

That means she knows exactly what was meant with the question. That also means the pop culture of actively malicious kitsune exists on Earth Bet.
No, that's not what it means. It means the mythology exists and someone was referencing it, it does not mean that any popular depiction of it exists.
 
Lastly, remember that Inari kept from laughing at the 'liver or tofu' question. That means she knows exactly what was meant with the question. That also means the pop culture of actively malicious kitsune exists on Earth Bet. Although it is most likely true that the actual pop culture isn't as widespread on Earth Bet as it is here.
Now remember that this is Brockton Bay, hometown of the ABB, a gang mostly created out of refugees and descendents of refugees from China, Korea and Japan. Many of them will know those few Korean Gumiho myths, or the Tamamo-no-mae myth, or others of the pop culture.
In a situation like that, a kitsune's reaction on the 'liver or tofu' question, would give everyone a hint on how dangerous the kitsune is.
And then we have Taylor, who has no idea of the actual meaning behind the question, because she doesn't know the pop culture, cheerfully answers 'I like Liver'.
This will most likely have a number of (Asian) people come to a completely wrong conclusion.
No, that's not what it means. It means the mythology exists and someone was referencing it, it does not mean that any popular depiction of it exists.
The whole chain of comments was not about whether or not liver eating Kitsune exist in myth or if Asians would know it, but how likely it was that a non-Asian PR specialist would 1. find that myth, and 2. know that that myth is well known enough/important that it might come up as a question.

See the first post in the chain
I'm surprised literally no one in the PRT apparently looked up human-fox myths. Not because of the goddess thing, but because it totally does affect what some people's first thoughts would be. Same reason you have to be careful about Hero names. The liver question was very predictable.

And my answer to that question was unlikely and even less likely, because of x y z.

I think you are talking about the myth itself and where it came from which is an entirely different conversation.

The term you're looking for is World building and character development (of secondary characters). I get that you don't like the way @Grounders10 did it, but I and a lot of other people do, and it does contribute a lot to the story. You do have a point about GG calli
And I would ask what were building and what character development was done in that section that wasn't already done in earlier sections? My point 8 was the only one I that identified And that's an entire kettle of fish and a half.

It is less of a is this good or bad and more of a is this necessary? does it move the characters along? does it move the plot along?
 
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The whole chain of comments was not about whether or not liver eating Kitsune exist in myth or if Asians would know it, but how likely it was that a non-Asian PR specialist would 1. find that myth, and 2. know that that myth is well known enough/important that it might come up as a question.
Exactly my point, the fact that Inari recognizes it only means it exists, it doesn't indicate anything about weather or not the pop culture that grew up around it in the past...40? years exists
And I would ask what were building and what character development was done in that section that wasn't already done in earlier sections?
As I said showing how the other characters are addressing events, and how the world at large is reacting, however assuming stuff like Clock leaking information or the existance of other Kitsune, or the Simurgh's reaction is important to the plot then the important function of the interlude would be to mask and support the way that information is provided so it comes naturally in the context of the setting, as opposed to the author telling us this. If it's not something that will be developed further those would just be more world buildin and red herrings for people to chase.
 
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