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-[X] Observation Hub - Produce an observation hub pattern. Will provide the same coverage as a listening post and also provide passive analysis to Four-Fifteen's structure that could prove helpful if you return to the site. Will consume 10% of the Adamant's mass bunker.
 
Snowfire said:
I currently have a list of small outline sections I'd like to write, but I know that just having them sit there won't help much. So, if you'd like to see a perspective outside of the current cast like I did last turn, give the list below a poke around and tell me what you'd prefer.
  • Across the stars we search - PoV Shipteens
  • Current disposition of the FSN's First Fleet, picking the bones of their latest target - PoV Lina Sharpe
  • Warden once meant something. Today, we shall remind our people that we do not bend - PoV Kicha, Entara (Gysian survivor)
  • Under the light of Sol, humanity gathers its might to cast across the galaxy - PoV Adriana Thera
  • How the world has changed - PoV High Fleetlead Taldor (Returning)
  • Between the stars we seek - PoV Alternate Nutrient Source Advised (Neras Starhome)
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Honestly, the only one that I don't mind not reading is Adriana's option. Lina and the Shipteens are the two 'lower preference' options of the remainder though, with Taldor and Kicha+Entara being the highest priority for me.

Regarding the Seed Deployment options however, is it entirely possible to deploy a Yumi to either the Odd Forest or Virgin Wilderness site whilst dropping a Magi Seed at the Spire location? I'm expecting it to require 2 AP to achieve but I feel like the Yumi wouldn't be hurt that much by deploying it in the distant locations where we can turn it into the 'main groundside base' whilst the Magi ends up forward deployed for immediate research support at what may be the most critical investigation site. Trading off the reduced expansion opportunities for only building the structures we absolutely need for the most effective investigations of the sites at the Magi.
 
Pyro Hawk said:
Honestly, the only one that I don't mind not reading is Adriana's option. Lina and the Shipteens are the two 'lower preference' options of the remainder though, with Taldor and Kicha+Entara being the highest priority for me.
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That does help, thank you!
Pyro Hawk said:
Regarding the Seed Deployment options however, is it entirely possible to deploy a Yumi to either the Odd Forest or Virgin Wilderness site whilst dropping a Magi Seed at the Spire location? I'm expecting it to require 2 AP to achieve but I feel like the Yumi wouldn't be hurt that much by deploying it in the distant locations where we can turn it into the 'main groundside base' whilst the Magi ends up forward deployed for immediate research support at what may be the most critical investigation site. Trading off the reduced expansion opportunities for only building the structures we absolutely need for the most effective investigations of the sites at the Magi.
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This would be entirely possible, yes - building more to bypass the need for tradeoffs or expansion is completely acceptable. And yes, it would require 2AP as you expect it to. It's a lot of AP investment, and 20% of your mass bunker, but it would also establish a very solid baseline on the Consolat homeworld going forward, in line with your written expectations.
 
Hey uh Snowfire do we know how close do the Shiplords monitor the mass of the Consolat system? Or their homeworld in specific? Cause I'm worried that mass manipulation even on a small scale may need to be hidden from the Shiplords' sensors.
 
Dmol8 said:
Hey uh Snowfire do we know how close do the Shiplords monitor the mass of the Consolat system? Or their homeworld in specific? Cause I'm worried that mass manipulation even on a small scale may need to be hidden from the Shiplords' sensors.
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It should be assumed that your intelligence/covert advisory would not have recommended this course of action if they felt it would be flagrantly dangerous. There's an implicit level of risk to all action at this point, but I'm largely only providing options that pass that sanity test. Your perspectives are all experienced people, and they listen to their advisors.
 
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If we are concerned about detection, then I'd say (if we follow my idea) drop the Yumi at Odd Forest location this turn and then use the sensor readings from the deployed Yumi in order to guide the Magi Seed safely into location at the Spire. Does mean we can't rush investigating the Spire unless we're willing to do so without the assets of the Magi being nearby but it should minimise any possibility for detection of either Seed or our actions on the planet.

Hell, I'm perfectly happy to do it that way anyway because I don't think we're going to investigate the Spire this turn regardless, it spreads the 2 AP Seed Deployment cost out over two turns and allows the Adamant a chance to restock some of their Mass Bunker between turns so we're not dropping it down to (I'm halfway suspecting) 70% immediately.
 
Pyro Hawk said:
and allows the Adamant a chance to restock some of their Mass Bunker between turns so we're not dropping it down to (I'm halfway suspecting) 70% immediately.
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If you left an observation hub back on 4-15, plus a Magi and Yume template on the homeworld this turn, then yes, that would drop you to 70% in the tank.
lurker9875 said:
(Uh, there is still a 6 or 5 or 4AP vote that needs to be settled, I didn't make any such plans because I didn't know what to do?)
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Also, yes...um.

Please do make plans. I need them to write what comes next ^^;
 
As curious as I am about everything, since we went to Four-Fiifteen first we've lost some time. I think maybe we should try to prioritize getting core answers sooner rather than later, which may help us prioritize our choices in future turns. Thus, I'm thinking we go straight for the Archive while getting stuff set up for future work.

I picked the Yume seed to support us investigating the Archive, and I think next turn we should have it expand to include better research facilities. I picked the spot near the Spire to set up so that we're camped farther from the Shiplord presence and closer to the thing that I'm guessing will be where we'll want to focus.

The thing I'm most uncertain about is where to assign Iris. I want to get the best outcome I can from investigating the Archive, but that means we can't follow up on Matrix Webs or Breach at Midnight. My current thinking is that Matrix Webs will be at least partially redundant with Occupied Archive, and Breach at Midnight is risky for an uncertain benefit -- how helpful would it be for us to know for certain why the Shiplords are here, compared to taking some educated guesses?

I kinda want to assign both Amanda and Vega to Refinement from Reverie. I want the best outcome possible from that so we're prepared for interfacing with whatever we find here. Part of me wants to put 2 AP into it, even, but that would mean dropping either Dreaming Secrets, which will help us decide what to do next turn, or Lethal Ghosts, which will prepare us for the dangers that might arise as we start poking.

I've named this plan Crescendo based on the idea that we're building up to have more impact next turn.

[x] Plan: Crescendo
-[x] Yes
--[x] Observation Hub
-[x] Blazing a Trail
--[x] Yume
--[x] Near the Spire
-[x] Quarters
--[x] Occupied Archive: Elil, Iris, and at least one other available Potential
-[x] Lethal Ghosts
-[x] Underpinned: Mary
-[x] Refinement from Reverie: Amanda and Vega
-[x] Dreaming Secrets
-[x] Mir seems disturbed by what he sensed down on Satellite Four-Fifteen. Check on him.
-[x] Spend some time with your family. This will be a balm to you all.
 
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Okay, so what Coda has said is causing some confusion for me. @Snowfire Is the Yume or the Magi Seed the one we want to deploy in near proximity for investigations? Because the way I've been reading it, the Yume is more of a major sensor array facility which is specialised in long range sensors so an entire system can be scanned, whereas the Magi is more about the research facilities needed to aid in actually investigating sites.

Yet having looked back on the write up for both with Coda's interpretation in mind... I can see it going either way. And I kind of want to know if I should be pushing for a plan that drops a Magi near the Spire to make optimal use of our ability to research the sites, or if their plan is actually better than the one I had as it's the Magi seed which is actually full of facilities which don't benefit from being close to the research sites.
 
Pyro Hawk said:
Okay, so what Coda has said is causing some confusion for me. @Snowfire Is the Yume or the Magi Seed the one we want to deploy in near proximity for investigations? Because the way I've been reading it, the Yume is more of a major sensor array facility which is specialised in long range sensors so an entire system can be scanned, whereas the Magi is more about the research facilities needed to aid in actually investigating sites.
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Snowfire said:
The Magi template (snip)
Research Focus.

The Yume template (snip)
Investigation Focus
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@Coda I raise you:
Yume: ... where extensive analysis of a system might be required, ... supporting fine-grain analysis of an entire star system.
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This very much gave the impression that the Yume is more about scanning everything in the system from a single site. Not necessarily for doing the up close analysis of stuff. Hence why I wanted @Snowfire to chip in and confirm the confusion one way or another.
 
Pyro Hawk said:
@Coda I raise you:

This very much gave the impression that the Yume is more about scanning everything in the system from a single site. Not necessarily for doing the up close analysis of stuff. Hence why I wanted @Snowfire to chip in and confirm the confusion one way or another.
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Apologies for my lateness on this, went up to see my parents for the weekend. @Coda you probably want to look at this too for your plan.

The Yume template is designed to support long range data gathering and is geared towards analysing sensor sweeps. In mechanical terms, it's geared towards supporting your Investigation actions and will likely grant a bonus to them as well as any tasks that specifically involve sensor analysis.

The Magi template is designed to support more complex research, filling the space that the Yume template uses for sensors with extensive labs and a computer core that should match the expanded one on the Adamant. Mechanically, it's geared towards supporting Research actions and would allow you to keep your Lagless Core bonus if you were cut off from the Adamant for any reason.

Both support exploration actions equally,. Your initial recon tasks - the Quarters options - won't be affected by the Seed you pick. Later tasks? It depends. If you want to connect to and copy the Consolat archive, for example, a Magi in close proximity would make that easier. Trying to fully analyse the distinctly weird sensor readings around the Spire? A Yume's sensor package would probably help.

If there end up being more specific requirements for the various exploration sites, options will be made available as they become required. Part of this is to simplify things for me at the QM level, but there's also a valid narrative reason of keeping the sensor footprint down.

Hope this helps!
 
Okay, so that was something important to clarify. Tossing up an altered Crscendo Plan which swaps the Yume for a Magi, as it appears that is in fact what we want nearby if we're to tap into the Archives.

That said @Snowfire How close does the Yume need to be in order for our scans of the Spire to benefit? And if it's relatively close, could we 'make up for it' by doing something such as deploying a Yume at the Forest site and then putting a sensor package on the Magi site near the Spire to 'provide additional fidelity' to the sensor scans of the Yume and thus make up for the loss of quality in the readings?

[x] Plan: Rewriting the Crescendo
-[x] Yes
--[x] Observation Hub
-[x] Blazing a Trail
--[x] Magi
--[x] Near the Spire
-[x] Quarters
--[x] Occupied Archive: Elil, Iris, and at least one other available Potential
-[x] Lethal Ghosts
-[x] Underpinned: Mary
-[x] Refinement from Reverie: Amanda and Vega
-[x] Dreaming Secrets
-[x] Mir seems disturbed by what he sensed down on Satellite Four-Fifteen. Check on him.
-[x] Spend some time with your family. This will be a balm to you all.
 
[X] Plan Heart Power
-[X] Yes
--[X] Listening Post
-[X] Blazing a Trail
--[X] Magi
--[X] Near the Spire
-[X] Crumbling Halls Mary + mender
-[X] Matrix Webs Iris
-[X] Heart's Caution Vega
-[X] Refinement from Reverie Amanda
-[X] Underpinned
-[X] Relax and train with your Heartcircle. Keeping your edge in combat sharp is more important now than it ever was. And it's good to share time together.
-[X] Mir seems disturbed by what he sensed down on Satellite Four-Fifteen. Check on him.

I think I got the AP right for this plan. My idea is to focus on the Crumbling Halls for more intel for this turn and the next one, using Amanda on it after she learns Heart's Caution from Vega this turn. It is probably similar to whatever the shiplords are doing, just ruined at the moment. Amanda can probably restore it to peak capacity, but it would alert the ship lords. That is why I want her the learn the caution technique first.

I am putting down a listening post because I believe that readings from the outer system are helpful, but I have no intention of returning to that place. It is pretty clear that it is a security hub for the system and will be less useful than one of the archives. The only reason to return would be to activate or deactivate the system security, and ideally we do not need to do that. I would prefer to use the saved mass for seed upgrades.
 
Pyro Hawk said:
That said @Snowfire How close does the Yume need to be in order for our scans of the Spire to benefit? And if it's relatively close, could we 'make up for it' by doing something such as deploying a Yume at the Forest site and then putting a sensor package on the Magi site near the Spire to 'provide additional fidelity' to the sensor scans of the Yume and thus make up for the loss of quality in the readings?
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This would absolutely work, yes.

Mozzy said:
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Welcome! AP use on this plan is fine, you have 6 AP in use and your free Research action from Mary being, well, Mary.
 
Snowfire said:
The Yume template is designed to support long range data gathering and is geared towards analysing sensor sweeps. In mechanical terms, it's geared towards supporting your Investigation actions and will likely grant a bonus to them as well as any tasks that specifically involve sensor analysis.

The Magi template is designed to support more complex research, filling the space that the Yume template uses for sensors with extensive labs and a computer core that should match the expanded one on the Adamant. Mechanically, it's geared towards supporting Research actions and would allow you to keep your Lagless Core bonus if you were cut off from the Adamant for any reason.
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Okay, that matches what I thought, and supports my plan -- I want to set up for investigation actions this turn and expand for research next turn.

Pyro Hawk said:
How close does the Yume need to be in order for our scans of the Spire to benefit?
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Snowfire said:
This would absolutely work, yes.
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I'm more interested in the non-yes/no part of the answer.
 
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Coda said:
I'm more interested in the non-yes/no part of the answer.
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You could build a repeater/secondary package on your Magi if you wanted to do so, and it would help for the detail work, sure. But the Yume template was designed for detail-scanning a star system. A few hundred miles of rock, earth and other sundries isn't going to get in the way of that.
 
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