I get the feeling that the Consolat were probably pretty chill and generous? I think that's part of why the Shiplords miss them so much. I think the Consolat were chill and generous literally beyond the (chronically uptight and frankly rather unkind) Shiplords' capacity to even comprehend.

'Chill and generous' would, to my way of thinking, suggest that the 'party' option is more likely.

Alternatively, the Consolat may have been hoping the Shiplords themselves would eventually figure their shit out, learn the ways of the soul, and come here themselves, at which point this kind of stuff might be the "congratulations, guys, we knew you could do it" easter egg. Which would be kind of sad to see, but probably not harmful.
 
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Is the concern you're trying to address the possibility that the Consolat, specifically, may have considered some sort of horrible dangerous thing "a peacemaker" and that this could somehow cause the dangerous thing to draw the attention of our Peace guy?
I don't think so? Sorry, early in the morning on the day that clocks just changed - by which I mean it's 2AM whilst my body thinks it's 3.

More that there are many ways to make peace happen. The Consolat clearly seem to have considered protecting the peace in their home system very important - see the enormous (presumed to be a) defence grid. From what little is known about them by the Adamant's crew they're pretty sure any Consolat would've preferred talking things out first, but...there aren't any Consolat left now to do that talking.

I get the feeling that the Consolat were probably pretty chill and generous?
Given that a non-zero influence in their creation of the Secrets is thought to have been a desire to help their friends the Shiplords explore the universe, this is a reasonable feeling to have.

They just probably intended on being around to help.
 
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I suppose one of the things that we'll have to hope we learn in this, our presumably final investigation of all this lore that I hope we'll get a chance to learn all the basic facts about even if we don't get a 100% completion run, is...

...At what point in the process of creating the Secrets did the Consolat realize that changing the cosmos like this was going to kill them all, and did they have a choice to back out at that point?

I can't help but wonder.
 
@Coda To Harmonize requires at least 3 AP not 2. Your plan as it is right now is invalid.
 
[X] Plan preparing for what comes next:
-[X] Matrix Webs
-[X] Lethal Ghosts
-[X] Fellow Guests
-[X] Underpinned
-[X] Echoes (Theoretical)
-[X] Practised Restraint
--[X] 2 AP
-[X] Talk with Kalilah about recent revelations, to help steady her soul.
-[X] Relax and train with your Heartcircle. Keeping your edge in combat sharp is more important now than it ever was. And it's good to share time together.

This plan grabs all the stuff that is not on the moon because we are not ready to go down there yet, doubles up on Practised Restraint to make sure we don't go loud from a Miracle unintentionally and talks with Kalilah and trains our Heartcircle as a just in case we do have to go loud later.
 
No, it is not. AP are a mark of overall effort, nothing more. You do not need to assign one for every required character of an action.

That is good to know. Still want to make sure we don't pop a miracle prematurely so my plan stays the same, but good to know @Coda's is valid. I'll keep that in mind going forward.
 
From Ancient Dreams
To many, Storage represented a way to escape reality for a time. Worldshaper suites built into every facility provided a Store-ee an endless cornucopia of virtual experiences to choose from, or in some cases not choose. To others, it provided the perfect means to focus on a particularly complex task, be it science or art.

But there was another reason that so many facilities like Sleepers in Azure had been constructed across the aeons of Shiplord existence. Sometimes people didn't want to continue living in the world where they now found themselves, whilst also not being ready to die.

There were many reasons that one of your people could make the choice to abandon reality, and though many laid out complex schemes of trigger conditions to awaken them, perhaps no more than twenty percent ever expected them to be fulfilled. At least that had been the figure at the time of your Storage.

All of that crossed your mind in the instant it took to realise that you were, quite suddenly, awake again.

Citizen Taldor. Trigger clauses three and five of your Storage agreement have been met.

Try to imagine it. Text in the blackness in front of you, as you realised that your eyes were actually able to see something. A moment later, the realisation that you were standing on something, recognition of a virtual construct, the one you'd been told would be waiting if they ever brought you out of your endless sleep.

It was an endless black void, in all directions. Closer to your virtual presence there were signs of muted colour, but only that. It had been something about avoiding overstimulation as your mental processes adapted to reactivation. You blinked, feeling the weight of years and the sudden quickening of life in the same instant as you shifted your body within the construct.

It felt the same as it had…how many cycles had it been? More text followed the first, as if its source had been listening in to your question.

It has been two million, six hundred and twenty-three thousand, two hundred and eight-two cycles since you entered Storage.

Two and a half million cycles? It took a moment to process that number. To process that your age had more than doubled since last you saw anything. What would- you forced the question away. That had been another of the instructions. Focus on the reason for your reawakening.

You'd known some sleepers who'd put together lists containing hundreds of different possibilities. You hadn't been one of them, but that did nothing to stop the surge of focused energy that shot through you as you read the numbers again. Three and five.

Five.

How had- no, not important. Not right now. You forced the tension down, the desire for answers that would only lead to more questions. You had to focus on the bigger picture.

Clause three meant that your people had encountered an enemy that threatened to match the dangers of the Sphere. What that meant to the Authority at this point, you hadn't a clue. But you'd written the clause to require Central Intelligence to consider the threat warranted, too. They, you'd trust.

And if they thought war was coming, you were only one of millions who'd be experiencing this wake-up call. You spared a moment of sympathy to the poor Storage facility techs. There'd never been enough of them before, you couldn't imagine there were now. The strain they must suddenly have found themselves under…

A war, then. A real one. You'd have to ask questions, reach out, reconnect. Figure out what sort of world you'd found yourself in. If the murmurs since the War of the Sphere had been properly quashed, or if…things had taken a different turn.

But if they had, clause five's activation meant there might just be hope. You'd helped write the scenario that Warden Kicha had intended to install at the Third Sorrow - gods willing it'd been the last. You'd tried to break it for years, all to no avail. Clause five had been written to activate if someone found an answer.

But more than two and a half million cycles for anyone to succeed? How much must have changed.

More questions, you filed them away for when you could actually get answers, though one still remained. Did you want to?

You'd gone into Storage to try and escape the blood on your hands, the terrible victories that so many had hailed you for. You'd led the Fleet through the hell of the Burning Line, broken the Sphere in a holocaust of stellar death, but after it was done you'd just wanted to rest. Did you really want to go back, just to another war?

The last one had ended with billions of lives lost, all because your people had believed themselves secure behind the intangible presence of the War Fleets. Grown complacent, on your watch. Contact had torn themselves apart over the ultimately catastrophic introduction they'd given the Sphere, but they'd not been the ones responsible to defend the galaxy from the monsters they'd found.

That had been your duty. One you'd failed.

Those ghosts had driven you to leave the world behind, once. Now they did the opposite. There was no gain in fighting them. No matter how long you spent here, they'd eventually win. Maybe if it had just been the war…

You looked up again, finding the last piece of text you'd been told to expect.

Do you wish to exit your hibernation sequence?

"Who are you trying to fool, Taldor?" You muttered into the black. Your voice was barely more than a whisper, touched by an age that your body would never feel. "If Kicha's hope has actually succeeded, you owe it. And not just to her."

Nothing answered. The question just sat there in the air, waiting. Hate flashed through whatever was left of your soul, hot, sharp and utterly insufficient to the task of survival. It sputtered and died in the emptiness of your heart, and you felt the nanoshell around you start to change. Becoming the uniform that had been yours two and a half million cycles past.

Do you wish to exit your hibernation sequence?

"I do." You told the expectant silence. "Wake me up."
 
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Thanks to @Baughn for looking at this for me, but in this case it wasn't a full pass so please excuse any major errors. Also you can blame (thank) @Coda and @justinkal for my writing it after I made the critical error of saying you weren't going to get another update this calendar month. Teach me to try that again.

I'm considering giving options for snippets like this as we go forward, so you can get a better picture of how the galaxy is changing around you. I know I started trying to do that with the Contingencies in Motion pieces, and I have one more of those that might still happen, but that'll take digging heavily back into my notes and probably doing several rewrites. This seems...well it would have an interaction point other than just myself. And I know that helps.

Edit: Oh, and please do vote. We have a few plans up now.
 
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, I've been hoping to see something like this. All these people waking up after waiting and hoping for another way to be found? A new political bloc is hopefully about to hit the scene.

[x] Plan: Preparation
 
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oof, plan voting. It makes perfect sense to implement here, I just always feel awkward with it. I'll vote for a plan that looks along the right lines.

[x] Plan: Preparation
 
And like.

The First through Third Sorrows, say what you will, were not entirely the Shiplords' fault. They ran into races of colossal assholes, and while they admittedly handled those situations poorly, things would not have turned out the same way if not for the deliberate actions of the Gysians and Hjivin.

The Fourth and Fifth Sorrows were very much the result of Shiplord decision-making when the Shiplords were very much in control and had the great majority of the power and could absolutely have avoided the relevant Sorrows, or any outcome worse than the relevant Sorrows, by just backing the fuck off.
 
Got a question for you @Snowfire , regarding the following quote:
"Who are you trying to fool, Taldor?" You muttered into the black. Your voice was barely more than a whisper, touched by an age that your body would never feel. "If Kicha's hope has actually succeeded, you owe it. And not just to her."

Are we to take this as indicative of a potentially much larger subset of the Shiplord population being read in to Warden Kicha's plan? I mean, I know it practically says it outright, in the text, but, it makes me wonder if there isn't a much bigger group that would at least support the possibility of Amanda's group and Humanity as a whole to bring about the resolution of the pain and "Sorrow" the Shiplords have lived under for so long. Sorry if obvious question is obvious, just felt the need to inquire.
 
Yeah uh... Answering that single Riddle if you will may prove the most disruptive thing we could have done to the Shiplord reaction. Because it means all the Sleepers who are awakening aren't just awakening to the knowledge another critical war is about to commence, but they are awakening to a war when the cornerstone of how modern Shiplord culture went to crazy town according to many of the Sleepers has been called into question.

And then there's what else we are working on...
 
Will be interesting to see whether the controlling SL authority will try to use the ongoing war with our coalition as a 'we first have to remove these threats from existence, then we can evaluate other developments' to quell the impending civil war ...
[x] Plan: Preparation
 
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Got a question for you @Snowfire , regarding the following quote:


Are we to take this as indicative of a potentially much larger subset of the Shiplord population being read in to Warden Kicha's plan? I mean, I know it practically says it outright, in the text, but, it makes me wonder if there isn't a much bigger group that would at least support the possibility of Amanda's group and Humanity as a whole to bring about the resolution of the pain and "Sorrow" the Shiplords have lived under for so long. Sorry if obvious question is obvious, just felt the need to inquire.
Taldor's level of knowledge and perspective should not be considered typical. From the text you can see that he was a very high ranking member of the Shiplord military going into the War of the Sphere, and likely knew Kicha personally given that he helped write the simulation you cracked at the Third.

With that said, the existence of the Experience option and what it was trying to do is pretty common knowledge among the Shiplords. No one at this point really thought it could be solved by a Shiplord going into it (relatively) blind, which is in part the point of the test. It's not "can we beat this now that we know everything about this species" it's "was there another way we could have realistically acted that would've averted the utter hell of the war that followed?"

Will be interesting to see whether the controlling SL authority will try to use the ongoing war with our coalition as a 'we first have to remove these threats from existence, then we can evaluate other developments' to quell the impending civil war ...
I'd refer you to the Kicha PoV section in Streams of Youth for a better idea of this. Kicha, at least, does not appear to be in the mood for waiting.

And like.

The First through Third Sorrows, say what you will, were not entirely the Shiplords' fault. They ran into races of colossal assholes, and while they admittedly handled those situations poorly, things would not have turned out the same way if not for the deliberate actions of the Gysians and Hjivin.
Something that's also probably worth noting is that, even with your solution to the Third's test, there still would've been a war on the scale of a Sorrow at some point. It just would've kicked off very differently, as the Shiplords would've had more time to shift their doctrine into one that could counter the mass assault tactics used by the Sphere. Kicha notes this during her speech.

It also wouldn't have required an Uninvolved to Involve themselves to end it. Which is a very important change,
 
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Oh dear.

I figured out one of the possible time limiters on the mission. Krea and the rest of the Shipteens will follow.

In doing so they will most likely trip at least some safeguards on the Origin of Secrets.

That in turn may or may not bump up the priority of scanning the surrounding space and prompt a test of our stealth measures... and that is before they guilelessly tell the members of the Shiplord expedition that they came here following the trail of others.


Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of our own actions.
/amused
 
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In doing so they will most likely trip at least some safeguards on the Origin of Secrets.
Why would safeguards activate in response to a Shiplord starship? They were the Consolat's friends!

Looks like there's a commanding lead here. I'll probably close vote this evening.
Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Oct 30, 2023 at 10:27 AM, finished with 37 posts and 12 votes.

  • [x] Plan: Preparation
    -[x] To Harmonize
    --[x] 2 AP
    -[x] Lethal Ghosts
    -[x] Fellow Guests
    -[x] Echoes (Practical)
    --[x] Let QM pick the Potential(s)
    -[x] Practised Restraint
    -[x] Underpinned
    -[x] Talk with Kalilah about recent revelations, to help steady her soul.
    -[x] Sharing a meal with the Adamant's command staff would let you listen to their concerns, and maybe learn from them too.
    [X] Plan preparing for what comes next:
    -[X] Matrix Webs
    -[x] Lethal Ghosts
    -[x] Fellow Guests
    -[x] Underpinned
    -[X] Echoes (Theoretical)
    -[x] Practised Restraint
    --[x] 2 AP
    -[x] Talk with Kalilah about recent revelations, to help steady her soul.
    -[X] Relax and train with your Heartcircle. Keeping your edge in combat sharp is more important now than it ever was. And it's good to share time together.
    [X] Plan: Digging Inward
    -[X] Exploration
    --[X] Blazing a Trail - Locate and establish a Trailblazer-package outpost inside the current area of interest (an area roughly the size of a mid-sized ocean) on Origin Four-Fifteen. This will give you a safe location on the moon to shelter, store material or data, or even leave a research team behind when the Adamant moves on to investigate the Consolat homeworld.
    --[X] Insight's Ways - Now that you're present above Four-Fifteen, Elil can try to find his way to the place that he felt on the planet. He doesn't know exactly where it is, but he's more than willing to try and isolate it. [Requires Elil]
    --[X] Path of Peace - Investigate the point of interest Elil said was present on the moon using the connection that Mir almost formed with the place. If he did it once, accidentally, it should be possible to do it again. [Requires Mir]
    -[X] Investigation
    --[X] Fellow Guests - The Shiplord science vessel in orbit of the Origin is clearly here for a reason. It's unlikely that you'll be able to discover it from a distance, but looking at where its investigations are focused could be useful by itself. Making an effort to work out the capabilities of the ship would also make Jane more comfortable.
    -[X] Research
    --[X] Underpinned - With a solid proof now in hand of who created the Secrets, Mary wants to continue her work on understanding how the Consolat actually did it. This could well prove crucial in the weeks to come. [Research AP]
    --[X] Echoes (Theoretical) - As the practical version of this option, but starting from a theoretical baseline. This will have slower progress, but will also have no possibility of triggering a Miracle that could potentially break your cover.
    --[X] Visions in the Jump - You saw a glimpse of the place where you met Tahkel when jumping to the Fourth Sorrow, and it had two figures there, one of them who looked human. Try to work out how that happened, and how to reach back to that place without requiring another jump. [Requires Amanda]
    -[X] Personal
    --[X] Sharing a meal with the Adamant's command staff would let you listen to their concerns, and maybe learn from them too.
    --[X] Relax and train with your Heartcircle. Keeping your edge in combat sharp is more important now than it ever was. And it's good to share time together.
 
Why would safeguards activate in response to a Shiplord starship? They were the Consolat's friends!

…Aaand now I'm working through a burst of paranoia and doubt regarding the Shiplord's narrative for the Consulat's death creating the Secrets vs. what the Consulat may have ACTUALLY intended to happen. I mean, we have one positive example of the Dragons deliberately sacrificing themselves to give Practice to humanity, but we've recently heard musings in the story that the Consulat may not have realized that they were unleashing Secrets on the universe that they wouldn't be around to monitor.
 
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