[X] No. So much no. You will put up with a lot of insanity in your training sessions. It comes with your team. But you draw the line at...whatever this is.
 
I am voting no for the following reasons (in no particular order):
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2) Information Ino passes onto Shikamaru, willingly or unwittingly, is to our detriment.

Your reason #2 is flat out hypocritical considering we are training with Sakura who is teammates with two potential competitors. It is honestly a very stupid reason.

If someone made an Stunt that had tenten tell ino that she would have to ask Gai if he can train her rather than leaving us to be the messenger then your point #4 would be a non concern.
 
Those concerned about Shikamaru, consider that outside of whether or not we "win" our fight with him we've already achieved the goal of competing in the Chunin exams anyway.

Also, watching Ino get exactly what she's demanded will be hysterical.

[X] Yes. You do want to see the smug wiped off her face, and chances are Sakura will enjoy it too...eventually. Probably. Plus, you remember that this girl is on a team with your first finals opponent. You can use that.
 
[X] No. So much no. You will put up with a lot of insanity in your training sessions. It comes with your team. But you draw the line at...whatever this is.
 
I forgot she's a Sensor.
So Awareness/Stealth trainer then. Hiding from Sensors is a challenge.
Very good point.
I am voting no for the following reasons (in no particular order):
1) Interpersonal drama between Sakura and Ino is, or rather I suspect could be, rather detrimental to our training.
2) Information Ino passes onto Shikamaru, willingly or unwittingly, is to our detriment.
3) Sakura asked us not to include Ino into the training. I'd rather have one good friend than several people we are on friendly terms with.
4) Gai's time, and, yes, endurance, are limited.
- Interpersonal drama between Lee and Neji didn't hurt our training before.
And SakuIno are friends, regardless of how dramatic and loud they seem.

- Shikamaru is not an enemy; he's a contestant.
Furthermore, he was there for our match with Temari when we Exalted.
He is well aware of most of our base capabilities; the glowing, the fear genjutsu, the enhanced physical abilities.

And as a reminder? Sakura is teammates with two finalists.
IC, we have no idea whether she's seeing them regularly.
If Tenten isn't worrying about leaks from Sakura, she won't be worrying about Ino.

- False dichotomy.
We do not have to be either or; we can choose both if we so choose.
Tenten is close friends with both Lee and Neji; they're even on her Ally sheet.
The very girl you are pointing at, Sakura, is Ino's best friend.

- If Gai has issues, he'll TELL us; Maito Gai is no shrinking violet.
The man ran a team of three genin for a year, and ran them ragged.
 
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[X] No. So much no. You will put up with a lot of insanity in your training sessions. It comes with your team. But you draw the line at...whatever this is.
 
But mostly it depends on how you want to develop things. We could potentially have ever kunoichi genin getting the Gai treatment or we can focus in on Sakura.

If there is one consistent pattern in my voting habits it is that I prefer to focus and to specialize. I would rather not dilute our efforts.

And her sensei is Sarutobi Asuma, son of the Hokage and an elite jounin in his own right; not many people survive an encounter with the Akatsuki for any length of time. If he wasn't currently training Shikamaru, we'd be going to him for Melee pointers.

While Asuma is fairly strong that doesn't guarantee that he is a good trainer. Kakashi, for instance, makes a better option not because he is stronger, but because the sheer variety of jutsu he has. The question isn't how strong the individual is, but how much do they have to teach us and how valuable is that content too us. Furthermore, I am not sure that we need melee pointers at this point. We are already melee 5. Maybe he could help with the knives specialization, but that is a rather narrow area of focus.

Ino isn't a bad contact. It is simply that now is not the time. Solidifying our relationship with Sakura will guarantee plenty more opportunities to interact with Ino in the future.
 
If there is one consistent pattern in my voting habits it is that I prefer to focus and to specialize. I would rather not dilute our efforts.
Ninja combat is really not about focus and specialization unless you're Gai.
That's how you get killed; just ask Hayate.

While Asuma is fairly strong that doesn't guarantee that he is a good trainer.
He was entrusted with training three clan heirs.
His student was the first to make chuunin of the Konoha 12, despite Team Gai having a year or so head start, and his team having slowburn powers.
One of his genin students killed one of Orochimaru's special jounin/Curse Seal bodyguards in one-on-one combat.

TL;DR
Asuma is GOOD.
He's no Kakashi, but he's a damn good teacher.
Furthermore, I am not sure that we need melee pointers at this point.
You're not following the mechanics discussion I see.

Trainers give discounts to charm and technique XP costs and training times.
Sakura gives a flat 1XP discount on Ninjutsu/Genjutsu, from 5XP to 4XP.
Gai gives a 25% discount, rounded down, on everything Athletics, Taijutsu and Resistance.

Given how most of our charm buys for the Exam are going to be in the Melee tree, finding a tutor is kinda important.
Ino alone would probably give a discount on our Awareness charms, including the surprise negator SAM.
Also on learning Chakra Flow.

Given that we have really bad social, we should be building a rolodex of people we can tap.
We aren't Naruto, who can basically bullshit a Kage class shinobi he only met five minutes ago into training him.

Ino isn't a bad contact. It is simply that now is not the time. Solidifying our relationship with Sakura will guarantee plenty more opportunities to interact with Ino in the future.
Rejecting her request makes things vastly more difficult for the future.
We do not have the years of experience and cameraderie that Ino and Sakura share to fall back on.
We aren't particularly good at talking to people either. We want future favors, we need to lay the groundwork now.
 
[X] No. So much no. You will put up with a lot of insanity in your training sessions. It comes with your team. But you draw the line at...whatever this is.
 
[X] Yes. You do want to see the smug wiped off her face, and chances are Sakura will enjoy it too...eventually. Probably. Plus, you remember that this girl is on a team with your first finals opponent. You can use that.
[X] I don't have a problem with you joining, and I doubt my sensei will either. He's a big fan of rivals competing against each other. Talk to your Sensei about extra training and If you still want to come, drop by Sakura's house before five, and convince her to let you join in before she leaves.


Something to keep in mind: A short conversation with Ino was all it took to bring out Inner Sakura, who immediately started talking in Youthful paradigms. With the two of them training together, things are sure to get much more...energetic.

...And Tenten will get more training for her 'Straight Man' specialty.
 
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[x] No. So much no. You will put up with a lot of insanity in your training sessions. It comes with your team. But you draw the line at...whatever this is.

If we go for the meme choice too often, 10-10 will lose her straight-man status, and that's unacceptable to me. :V

True. Then it wouldn't be funny anymore.

[x] No. So much no. You will put up with a lot of insanity in your training sessions. It comes with your team. But you draw the line at...whatever this is.
 
[X] Yes. You do want to see the smug wiped off her face, and chances are Sakura will enjoy it too...eventually. Probably. Plus, you remember that this girl is on a team with your first finals opponent. You can use that
 
I am sure this conversation will continue, but for politeness sake let me warn you that I won't be able to respond until this evening.

Ninja combat is really not about focus and specialization unless you're Gai.
That's how you get killed; just ask Hayate.

This is were I must most strongly disagree with you. Almost every major successful ninja has some clearly defined area of specialization. That doesn't mean that said area is all that they are capable of, but what center their style upon. To lean on rpg terms it is the keystone of their build. To give a few examples, Tsunade has her medical expertise and derived super strength, Kisame his swordsmanship and Sasori his puppets. Each had some core skills that they focused on. Hayate died because he was simply outclassed. He was a special jounin going up against one of Suna's best full joinin.

He was entrusted with training three clan heirs.
His student was the first to make chuunin of the Konoha 12, despite Team Gai having a year or so head start, and his team having slowburn powers.
One of his genin students killed one of Orochimaru's special jounin/Curse Seal bodyguards in one-on-one combat.

TL;DR
Asuma is GOOD.
He's no Kakashi, but he's a damn good teacher.

I am not sure how much of his student's success to attribute to him. Frankly he got one of the best teams to start with. Shikamaru's promotion had more to do with his maturity and intelligence than strength as a combatant.

You're not following the mechanics discussion I see.
That is a somewhat unfair claim to make when I just referred to a mechanics issue (our melee being capped). However, I did forget the charm discount so thanks for reminding me of that.

Given that we have really bad social, we should be building a rolodex of people we can tap.
We aren't Naruto, who can basically bullshit a Kage class shinobi he only met five minutes ago into training him.
You make a really important point here. We aren't Naruto and we can't expect to instantly persuade people to train us. Thus is it reasonable to believe that we can get any training out of Asuma before the next part of the exams? If we can't then why not delay that project until after the exams?

I also disagree with your transition from the first to second sentence here. Building up a large set of contacts is a strategy I would expect of a high social character not a low one. It is seems counter-intuitive to go heavy on social actions when you have a low social build. It strikes me as playing to the characters weakness. Instead I would propose going deep instead of broad and accepting our current build's limitations.


Rejecting her request makes things vastly more difficult for the future.
We do not have the years of experience and cameraderie that Ino and Sakura share to fall back on.
We aren't particularly good at talking to people either. We want future favors, we need to lay the groundwork now.

Not surprisingly again I disagree with your conclusions. With Sakura secured we have guaranteed interaction with Ino. That should give us plenty of opportunities in the future. Also I am not convinced that a refusal at this point will make things "vastly more difficult." It certainly won't help, but I doubt Ino will decide it means we must eternally be foes.

I wanted to add a bit more, but I am running out of time and need to get to class. The tldr of my thoughts are as follows: Lets finish what we started with Sakura before starting anything else. I don't expect Ino to pay off before the exams finals so why not delay until after. I expect future interactions with Ino. We should acknowledge the limitations of the character's build and adjust our plans accordingly. A failure to specialize will result in a dilution of capabilities and a master of none situation. Specialization doesn't mean only pumping one thing, but looking for areas of synergy.

Edit: In the long run we should get a melee trainer. Asuma might be an option there, but there are other fish in the water. Not sure what I prefer at this point.
 
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[X] No. So much no. You will put up with a lot of insanity in your training sessions. It comes with your team. But you draw the line at...whatever this is
 
Considering some transformation techniques and ilussions it is very possible they have ways to prove their own identity one way or another.

Though it was my assumption that Exaltations like Solar ones rejuvenated hosts to their prime if they were too infirm? like an Old Soldier would have the second breath and be filled with the vigor of youth again and all that.
They can't give you your arm back, though. A solar exaltation can give you back the vigor of youth and health, but exalting as a solar doesn't make you any less left hand free. Nor does it make you literally young again, even if you'll still live for like ten thousand years without really appearing to age any more during that time.
 
They can't give you your arm back, though. A solar exaltation can give you back the vigor of youth and health, but exalting as a solar doesn't make you any less left hand free. Nor does it make you literally young again, even if you'll still live for like ten thousand years without really appearing to age any more during that time.
Yes, but it also tends to make it so lacking the hand does not impare you for some reason.
 
Sharpening a blade while going "H-huuh?" a lot.

I was thinking seal noises, after all she is a Fuinjutsu student.

Another point is that, well, ok, Gai is enthusiastic, but he's not Ino's or Sakura's teacher. Like, at all. Maybe Sakura can be swinged due to Kakashi being a close friend and rival. Ino has Asuma. And training people takes time and effort. Which he should probably putting into us and/or Neji.

Lee is in the hospital and Neji is training with his family, so what's really happened is that he's gone from three students to having three students. Gai likes training people, he decided to help Lee while he was in the academy because he admired his determination. He'd be ecstatic, if the entire rookie nine joined in.

Normally I would vote yes, I only don't know which one I want to vote for because, I don't really like the second part of the yes vote. Plus, you remember that this girl is on a team with your first finals opponent. You can use that. If we train with people I want it to be because their friends. Or because it's an open exchange. I don't want to train with someone to try and steal information about a teammate. Maybe a vote stunting no, that says yes.

Voting for no but giving a stunt if yes wins can I do that.

[x] No. So much no. You will put up with a lot of insanity in your training sessions. It comes with your team. But you draw the line at...whatever this is.

something like
[] I don't have a problem with you joining, and I doubt my sensei will either. He's a big fan of rivals competing against each other. Talk to your Sensei about it and If you still want to come, drop by Sakura's house before five, and convince her to let you join in before she leaves.
 
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Ok, fine.

[X] Yes. You do want to see the smug wiped off her face, and chances are Sakura will enjoy it too...eventually. Probably. Plus, you remember that this girl is on a team with your first finals opponent. You can use that
 
Normally I would vote yes, I only don't know which one I want to vote for because, I don't really like the second part of the yes vote. Plus, you remember that this girl is on a team with your first finals opponent. You can use that. If we train with people I want it to be because their friends. Or because it's an open exchange. I don't want to train with someone to try and steal information about a teammate. Maybe a vote stunting no, that says yes.
It isn't the main point of why she would invite her, but it's not like Tenten is just going to ignore the fact that Ino is on a team with her first opponent. Just like she hasn't ignored that Sakura is on a team with two of her other potential opponents.
 
[X] Yes. You do want to see the smug wiped off her face, and chances are Sakura will enjoy it too...eventually. Probably. Plus, you remember that this girl is on a team with your first finals opponent. You can use that.
-[X] Stunt: Rivalries certainly seem to be effective motivation, and what little you recall of Sakura's fight with Ino was rather disappointing. Gai-sensei would make it all better, and you can get some info on Shikamaru in the process, "Sure, Ino. Give me a hand with delivering Sakura, and we can compare our teams while we walk?"


Talk to your Sensei about it and If you still want to come

Asuma's reaction, regardless of whether he agrees to it, is bound to be hilarious.
 
[x] No. So much no. You will put up with a lot of insanity in your training sessions. It comes with your team. But you draw the line at...whatever this is.
 
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