The Power(Harry Potter/The Gamer)

"Professor, where are you going?"
"I have an old friend to meet. We're going on an adventure together."
<Several minutes later, Dumbledore's body streaks by the window>

This... frankly this made me laugh much harder than it probably should have. I'm a sucker for dark humor.

Harry: "Oh, don't worry, I had a book series published that involves magic that gives eternal youth." *casts spell* "Now, let's get to grinding."

This was also quite funny, but I have to wonder if that would work. I suppose it depends on how the power is drawn from the fictional world and converted in HP magic. Does our power draw information from the actual work and the imaginations of those who read it to construct an analogue, or reach across the fabric of space and time to the proper universe, and translate those powers into effects the local metaphysics can understand? Libriomancer physics vs Kaliedescope physics, basically.

If the former, such an endeavor would be the work of months, possibly years, to get the work out to as many people as possible. If the latter, we could probably write up a shortstory about a Hogwarts student becoming a God and win forever.

This is all moot if Halpo's already told us how we get power from fiction, and my stupid brain just forgot. It happens.
 
Maybe? Harry is rich even before getting money from his Gamer power. I considered having someone write a fictional series about the adventures of a House Elf so we might be able to get House Elf magic.

There's probably some wizarding fiction about it.

A Jeeves and Wooster style account of a young pureblood, who despite all his efforts to maintain a comfortable obscurity, is constantly put into amusing predicaments, to be saved time and again by his loyal Deus Ex Machina of a House Elf.

If the former, such an endeavor would be the work of months, possibly years, to get the work out to as many people as possible. If the latter, we could probably write up a shortstory about a Hogwarts student becoming a God and win forever.

Or it works on GM Physics and the universe simply pretends you didn't dare, and if you force the issue there's ominous lightning and Rocks Falling in the background, getting closer and closer to you...


Anyway, it's not exactly necessary. There's already a lot of incredible magic in fiction, and time will only provide more.
 
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Or it works on GM Physics and the universe simply pretends you didn't dare, and if you force the issue there's ominous lightning and Rocks Falling in the background, getting closer and closer to you...


Anyway, it's not exactly necessary. There's already a lot of incredible magic in fiction, and time will only provide more.

Oh, I'd never actually suggest doing that, only saying it's a possibility. Hell, even if I got The Gamer power somehow, I wouldn't do it, mostly because, even for the Gamer, it feels like cheating. There's way too many other ways to cheat at life in The Gamer's repertoire to bother with it anyway.

One type of fictional magic I was wondering about getting was from the Young Wizards series. The first book came out in '83, so we could probably get it easily over the summer.
 
A question for people who know more about DnD than me. Horcruxes or whatever they're called in DnD lore... Is there a "find horcrux" spell?

Also is there any series currently available to Harry that has access to sympathetic magic (or whatever it's called). Coz with the diary next year and voldemorts shade this year... If we could capture either we could just use a version of smite evil with sympathetic magic to sort of maybe kill Voldemort and his horcruxes in one go?
 
A question for people who know more about DnD than me. Horcruxes or whatever they're called in DnD lore... Is there a "find horcrux" spell?

Also is there any series currently available to Harry that has access to sympathetic magic (or whatever it's called). Coz with the diary next year and voldemorts shade this year... If we could capture either we could just use a version of smite evil with sympathetic magic to sort of maybe kill Voldemort and his horcruxes in one go?
A limited wish or wish would probably destroy all the Horcruxes in one go... That's the only truly "wizard" spell I can think of that would break them all (maybe)... Not sure on Clerical or Druid spells.
 
[X] Enjou
A question for people who know more about DnD than me. Horcruxes or whatever they're called in DnD lore... Is there a "find horcrux" spell?

Also is there any series currently available to Harry that has access to sympathetic magic (or whatever it's called). Coz with the diary next year and voldemorts shade this year... If we could capture either we could just use a version of smite evil with sympathetic magic to sort of maybe kill Voldemort and his horcruxes in one go?
Well, in canon the Summoning charm doesn't work for Horcruxes, but I can't exactly see them being immune to tracking or summoning spells from other universes.
 
A limited wish or wish would probably destroy all the Horcruxes in one go... That's the only truly "wizard" spell I can think of that would break them all (maybe)... Not sure on Clerical or Druid spells.
if we are doing wishes, its worth noting that wishes can emulate cleric spells without involving a god

Well, in canon the Summoning charm doesn't work for Horcruxes, but I can't exactly see them being immune to tracking or summoning spells from other universes.
IIRC QM explicitly said that spells from other universes get modified to fit "reality" of the setting. that means anything our power can do is possible using local magic (it just might be something nobody figured out). it also means that spells interact as if they are the same magic system. So spells that prevent teleporting would apply to our method of teleporting as well, and likewise spells that protect horcruxes will protect them from our methods of doing things. So long as we aren't doing something that has no local defense (aka, if the horcrux is protected against scrying, we can't scry it, but if it is not protected against remote destruction because there is no local spell that remotely destroys something that we might be able to do that)
 
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if we are doing wishes, its worth noting that wishes can emulate cleric spells without involving a god


IIRC QM explicitly said that spells from other universes get modified to fit "reality" of the setting. that means anything our power can do is possible using local magic (it just might be something nobody figured out). it also means that spells interact as if they are the same magic system. So spells that prevent teleporting would apply to our method of teleporting as well, and likewise spells that protect horcruxes will protect them from our methods of doing things. So long as we aren't doing something that has no local defense (aka, if the horcrux is protected against scrying, we can't scry it, but if it is not protected against remote destruction because there is no local spell that remotely destroys something that we might be able to do that)

So seeing as how it's been a long time since I've read the Harry Potter books is there any sympathetic magic shown? Wait would polyjuice potion count as sympathetic magic?
 
... libromancer? what's that? ...and suddenly I'm reminded of dogbertcarroll's "Phoning It In" series who's main character reaches into picture books and pulls shit out. I think it mentioned something about amber and Lords of chaos. For some reason that sounds familiar but only in the sense that I've read it in another fandom... anyone know what this is supposed to be (the amber and chaos things) and if it was around in 1991?
 
IIRC QM explicitly said that spells from other universes get modified to fit "reality" of the setting. that means anything our power can do is possible using local magic (it just might be something nobody figured out). it also means that spells interact as if they are the same magic system. So spells that prevent teleporting would apply to our method of teleporting as well, and likewise spells that protect horcruxes will protect them from our methods of doing things. So long as we aren't doing something that has no local defense (aka, if the horcrux is protected against scrying, we can't scry it, but if it is not protected against remote destruction because there is no local spell that remotely destroys something that we might be able to do that)

Actually, I don't remember Halpo ever saying that. When he said that spells fit our setting, he said that this meant we needed a wand to cast it. That's all I remember him saying about it. As far as I can tell, the spells themselves are still just as much an OCP.

Also, I actually don't want the problem of the year to scale with us. If there's one thing I've always hated to see in a video game, it's enemies that scale with the player. Nothing makes everything you do feel quite as worthless as having everyone else you fight become equally strong because of "balance". If we can stomp the stuff that comes up, then we should darn well stomp the stuff that comes up.
 
Actually, I don't remember Halpo ever saying that. When he said that spells fit our setting
Underlined is literally what I said.

You are misreading my post to be saying "he said everything in my post" rather than "he said these things, so here are some conclusions I am drawing based on what he said", please note the grammar

he said that this meant we needed a wand to cast it
Not in those exact words, and not in any way implying that it is the only change.
 
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I think you are right. why do you ask though?

I was just thinking if we can gain possession of either the shade of Voldemort currently residing in quirrels head or the diary horcrux next year and did some sympathetic version of smite evil we kill Voldemort in second year at the latest. But then if spells are made to fit into the setting I don't know if it'd quite work like that. I wanted an example of sympathetic magic to see if there was already a category for it to fit into.
 
A question for people who know more about DnD than me. Horcruxes or whatever they're called in DnD lore... Is there a "find horcrux" spell?

Also is there any series currently available to Harry that has access to sympathetic magic (or whatever it's called). Coz with the diary next year and voldemorts shade this year... If we could capture either we could just use a version of smite evil with sympathetic magic to sort of maybe kill Voldemort and his horcruxes in one go?
Closest in D&D is a phlactery (or however it's spelled.)

As for sympathetic magic... Master of the Five Magics has some sympathetic magic, though it's more used in spells to manipulate other things.

Be a good magic system to get anyway, some form or another.

However, Mage: the Ascension comes out in a few years, and 'that' has sympathetic magic, like you're thinking of.

Use Correspondence Sphere to link the remaining Horcrux, cast a spell to destroy it, and destroy the rest at the same time, Voldie becomes mortal, and (if spell is cast properly) takes damage at the same time.

Heck, if after Goblet of Fire (which I think it might be) cast the spell to kill Voldie, then destroy Horcrux, and you're golden.
 
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Closest in D&D is a phlactery (or however it's spelled.)

As for sympathetic magic... Master of the Five Magics has some sympathetic magic, though it's more used in spells to manipulate other things.

Be a good magic system to get anyway, some form or another.

However, Mage: the Ascension comes out in a few years, and 'that' has sympathetic magic, like you're thinking of.

Use Correspondence Sphere to link the remaining Horcrux, cast a spell to destroy it, and destroy the rest at the same time, Voldie becomes mortal, and (if spell is cast properly) takes damage at the same time.

Heck, if after Goblet of Fire (which I think it might be) cast the spell to kill Voldie, then destroy Horcrux, and you're golden.

Well at least I know it's possible. No quite my "kill Voldemort by the end of second year" plan but fourth year is decent enough I guess. If runes is close to canon runes being just basically a form of language studies if Harry does it will he earn like a linguistic skill so we don't have to learn French or Bulgarian for fourth year then?
 
Also is there any series currently available to Harry that has access to sympathetic magic (or whatever it's called). Coz with the diary next year and voldemorts shade this year... If we could capture either we could just use a version of smite evil with sympathetic magic to sort of maybe kill Voldemort and his horcruxes in one go?

Trump Magic and the Logrus from the Amber series may work. The first requires an uncommonly good portrait of Voldemort to be made, at which point you can either mentally attack him, or scry-and-die him.

The latter is a little more likely:

The Logrus appears as a tentacular force that must be navigated on a magical/mental level. Those who navigate this construct successfully gain power over, and the ability to travel through, Shadow. An additional power gained from the successful navigation of the Logrus is the ability to "pull" desired, non-specific objects out of Shadow worlds.

However, it is non-specific. You may just end up with another Voldemort's horcruxes. Which is very helpful for another Harry, but could just multiply our problems.
 
Underlined is literally what I said.

You are misreading my post to be saying "he said everything in my post" rather than "he said these things, so here are some conclusions I am drawing based on what he said", please note the grammar

I did note the grammar, and that is exactly what you said.

IIRC QM explicitly said that spells from other universes get modified to fit "reality" of the setting. that means . . .

This is why I posted my comment. Maybe you didn't realize it, but the way this is worded makes it sound as though that's exactly what Halpo meant, which isn't the case. If you want to avoid that happening, it's generally a good idea to start the sentence off with something that makes it clear that you aren't actually sure. For example:

IIRC QM explicitly said that spells from other universes get modified to fit "reality" of the setting. I'm guessing that means

See the bold part? Just putting something like that would help prevent a misunderstanding. Just an idea. :)

Anyway, does anyone remember what page it was that Halpo talked about how what we learn is changed to fit our setting? It'd be around the time people were wondering if D&D spells needed a wand or not.

Edit: Found it on page 49

I find it a bit amusing that you all think you're going to get completely new magic systems. You won't. If you had selected at the start a subselection of a particular game(D&D, Mage, Final Fantasy) with a majority you would use that magic system instead. But you're using the HP magic system now. You can get spells from outside the Potterverse, but they'll still be cast the way Potterverse spells are. Saying the name, moving/pointing your wand(unless/until you have wandless magic), and the spell happens.

Maybe I'm just tired right now and missing some implications, but yeah, this seems to strongly imply that the only difference from using the HP magic system is that we need to use a wand. It doesn't say anything about HP spells suddenly protecting against what should be non-existent spells. That's something we have to ask Halpo.
 
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However, Mage: the Ascension comes out in a few years, and 'that' has sympathetic magic, like you're thinking of.

Use Correspondence Sphere to link the remaining Horcrux, cast a spell to destroy it, and destroy the rest at the same time, Voldie becomes mortal, and (if spell is cast properly) takes damage at the same time.
It's mentioned that since we picked Every series instead of a specific game's magic, we don't get their full features, they more or less get translated into HP spells that do similar things. Could possibly try with D&D scrying maybe.

That's why I was pushing for Mage at chargen(since it's kind of the most hax magic system that could reasonably be used at all), but that's long gone and past.
 
Harry: "Oh, don't worry, I had a book series published that involves magic that gives eternal youth." *casts spell* "Now, let's get to grinding."

Old people are gonna LOVE US!

Sup, Gandalf?
There's probably some wizarding fiction about it.
A Jeeves and Wooster style account of a young pureblood, who despite all his efforts to maintain a comfortable obscurity, is constantly put into amusing predicaments, to be saved time and again by his loyal Deus Ex Machina of a House Elf.

I would love to read this. :o
 
[X] I do not want to lie to you. On the other hand... It is an important secret. Did you know that some wizards can read your thoughts? How about this: I will teach you Occlumency, this is an art that protects your mind from being read. When you can protect your thoughts I will tell you. Deal?
 
[X] Make sure your conversation would be secure and explain about being the Gamer.
-[X] This is an excellent chance for a demonstration and to do an experiment you meant to try. Take the conversation somewhere more private, and use the Copy Charm to make a copy of your first year Defense textbook. Invite the two to your party, and see if Neville can consume the copy. If he can, make another copy and have Hermione consume that one. If not, just have him consume the real thing and you'll order a new one for classes and a copy for Hermione.
--[X] If the experiment worked out, go with them tomorrow to the library and find a book on Occlumency that you can copy for them and have them consume. If it did not, order two copies of books onOcclumency via Owl, rush order.

Skill books reduce the time from learning about gamer to seeing Snape enough that it should be safe to tell them. As long as we immediately use the revelation to teach them occlumency.
 
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