Flagship Name

  • Spirit of Fire

    Votes: 21 47.7%
  • Vigilance

    Votes: 23 52.3%

  • Total voters
    44
  • Poll closed .
[X] Let Magnus Uncover its secrets
[X] Danger Analyses of Planets

Let Magnus deal with it.
Also, Danger Analysis of planets will let us better determine when and were to split our Legion.

Meanwhile, the remaining Wardens prepared to burst into the prisoner complex. As they charged in, they found a horrible site. Nearly every single prisoner had been executed to bring forth a small horde of daemons. These daemonettes twirled and screamed in ecstasy before the saw the Wardens. Immediately upon seeing this, they ran back into the warp as the hereteks looked on in shock.

I find it hilarious that daemonettes are so terrified of the Wardens that they don't even bother fighting.

"Konrad? How did you find me?"
In the end, Kesar chose to
"Little snake, I have information you should know."

I see you there! Also, glad to see these two will be working together in the shadows. Not!Batman and the Hydra, working together to ruin Tzeentch's day!
 
[X] Propose a cooperative venture between Magnus, the Khan, and Kesar. Magnus and the Khan for their respective takes on psyker stuff, and Kesar to help with the manufacturing of similar devices, possibly recreating or improving the device via small changes. Potential to include the other crafting Primarchs if it seems beneficial.
[X] Danger Analyses of Planets

Working with Magnus is fun. Working with Magnus and Khan is even more so.
 
I think trying to work out some consistent deal over future finds is premature and not strictly necessary. We have one device which Magnus is more qualified to research than we are. Just give it to him and let him figure it out - he will certainly not try to keep it to himself when he does, given he knows Kesar's habits regarding sharing knowledge. And Magnus would want to share knowledge anyways.
 
[X] Let Magnus Uncover its secrets
[X] Danger Analyses of Planets

We don't have time to research psyker tech. Warp tech is our niche.
 
[X] Let Magnus Uncover its secrets
[X] Danger Analyses of Planets

Letting Magnus have it is a obvious choice it betters our relationship with him and helps the thousand sons.Also Danger Analyses is the most helpful choice at the moment will let us decide how many men to send to certain planets so we can do more actions with the same amount of men.
 
I think trying to work out some consistent deal over future finds is premature and not strictly necessary. We have one device which Magnus is more qualified to research than we are. Just give it to him and let him figure it out - he will certainly not try to keep it to himself when he does, given he knows Kesar's habits regarding sharing knowledge. And Magnus would want to share knowledge anyways.
This is about this specific find, not necessarily future tech we find. Was more looking at it as a way to get multiple Primarchs working together on a project, in an effort to keep relations high.
 
[X] Propose a cooperative venture between Magnus, the Khan, and Kesar. Magnus and the Khan for their respective takes on psyker stuff, and Kesar to help with the manufacturing of similar devices, possibly recreating or improving the device via small changes. Potential to include the other crafting Primarchs if it seems beneficial.
[X] Danger Analyses of Planets
 
I just wanted an excuse to spend time with Khan again. He's awesome.
Yeah, spending more time with more Primarchs does seem like a good idea. Especially Khan, dude is nice.
Adhoc vote count started by jjffjhjf on May 2, 2019 at 5:42 PM, finished with 30 posts and 18 votes.
Adhoc vote count started by jjffjhjf on May 2, 2019 at 5:57 PM, finished with 34 posts and 20 votes.
 
That's possible but barring a massive change in circumstances why might Horus not be Warmaster?

Ok, now that I can respond properly...

Massive changes in circumstances are happening. Kesar was found around 900.M30 according to Daemon Hunter in rolz (I asked about it). In the span of twelve years, we've changed a lot. Alpharius is aware of Chaos and working with Malcador to utterly wreck the shit out of Tzeentch's plans. Konrad Curze has actual hope that things might get better. The Imperium has a dedicated anti-Chaos Legion. We've got a new religion brewing which might become dominant in the Imperium while not saying the Emperor is a god. The Imperium has accepted a race of xenos. The Fabricator-General is a lot happier because there's a Primarch that's sharing his knowledge rather than hoarding it, and some other Primarchs like Ferrus Manus are considering following his example. And a lot of other stuff.

Most pertinent is that Lorgar didn't go on his pilgrimage into the Eye of Terror until 967.M30 in canon, so he's decades ahead of schedule. What's more, with Lion El'Johnson royally pissed off at him Lorgar is unable to operate normally, and won't be able to do so even when he comes out of the Eye of Terror. None of the other Primarchs are siding with him against Kesar. With the Chaos Gods having much of their schemes wrecked, I think Lorgar is going to do something desperate. My guess is that he will try to attack Valhalla with the aims of drawing out Kesar to kill him, thinking that he might stand a chance having gained the blessings of the Chaos Gods. (he might even still think the Emperor is a god, given the Emperor hasn't rejected him and the Chaos Gods may play into his delusions to get him to cooperate) My thinking is that Lorgar has a good chance of fleeing, and becoming a persistent problem - he might take his Legion into the Eye of Terror for shelter (or maybe the Maelstrom, since that's closer to Valhalla and might be easier/safer to reach), or otherwise go to the edge of the galaxy to build up a Chaos Empire, or in some way become a persistent threat to the Imperium. Thus would begin the Aurelian Heresy, where other Primarchs who fall might gradually join him, or perhaps just go fuck off to build their own Chaos empires, or whatever.

Regardless of the specifics, with one of the Primarchs having openly fallen to Chaos and turning traitor, the Emperor's plans could radically change. Knowing that his sons are not beyond the schemes of the Chaos Gods, he might decide that the Imperial Webway project needs to be put on the backburner so that he can be more active in managing his sons and the Great Crusade to prevent more traitors, making a Warmaster unnecessary. Or he might decide that declaring any individual one of them Warmaster might be too risky, because Chaos would inevitably focus its efforts into corrupting that one. Or he might fear that and still need a Warmaster, so decide not to risk his favorite son Horus by putting him in that position. Or maybe Horus might just end up getting his ass killed by another Traitor Primarch, necessitating someone else taking the position. Or maybe one of the other viable candidates impresses the Emperor enough that they get the job. Or just something else I haven't thought of.
 
[X] Propose a cooperative venture between Magnus, the Khan, and Kesar. Magnus and the Khan for their respective takes on psyker stuff, and Kesar to help with the manufacturing of similar devices, possibly recreating or improving the device via small changes. Potential to include the other crafting Primarchs if it seems beneficial.

[X] Danger Analyses of Planets
 
[X] Propose a cooperative venture between Magnus, the Khan, and Kesar. Magnus and the Khan for their respective takes on psyker stuff, and Kesar to help with the manufacturing of similar devices, possibly recreating or improving the device via small changes. Potential to include the other crafting Primarchs if it seems beneficial.

[X] Danger Analyses of Planets
 
So how well might batboi be getting along with the snekbois? Will they start general Legion cooperation and cross-training or keep it just between them?
 
This is about this specific find, not necessarily future tech we find. Was more looking at it as a way to get multiple Primarchs working together on a project, in an effort to keep relations high.

It still seems to be unnecessarily complicating the project. It's a singular device, and arranging all three Primarchs to work on it when it might be a several year project is problematic. And as the update says...

Another major detriment to trying to reverse engineer it himself was that it would take time away from analyzing Gehenna Station, which was undoubtedly more important.

...taking time to work on this will take time away from our other big project.

Just giving this to Magnus to reverse engineer is going to make him exceedingly happy with us. It's an acknowledgement of his skills and gives him something shiny to study which will be quite useful for his Legion given their specialty. As far as Khan goes, he's already pleased that we sent some Wardens to help him hold the line against the Orks, and they were the difference between success and failure. So we don't really need to worry about relationships high, because we're already doing that.
 
So how well might batboi be getting along with the snekbois? Will they start general Legion cooperation and cross-training or keep it just between them?
They might not cooperate at all, beyond him telling them about whatever it is he's seeing at this point. I'm... kinda hoping he tells them that Lorgar is basically just on the cusp of being Lost, at least I'm assuming he's not fully Lost yet due to the fact our last look at him included him considering the Emperor the top God, and that will hopefully let the Alpha Legion interfere in time to do something crazy.
 
It still seems to be unnecessarily complicating the project. It's a singular device, and arranging all three Primarchs to work on it when it might be a several year project is problematic. And as the update says...



...taking time to work on this will take time away from our other big project.

Just giving this to Magnus to reverse engineer is going to make him exceedingly happy with us. It's an acknowledgement of his skills and gives him something shiny to study which will be quite useful for his Legion given their specialty. As far as Khan goes, he's already pleased that we sent some Wardens to help him hold the line against the Orks, and they were the difference between success and failure. So we don't really need to worry about relationships high, because we're already doing that.
Yeah, I understand that reasoning... I just kinda want to see the Primarchs actually working together more often, instead of this mostly go it alone thing they've been doing. Especially when it comes to research/tech stuff. I'd like to eventually get all the Primarchs working together as a well oiled machine. Though I'm sure that'd take a hell of a long time to actually pull off.
 
They might not cooperate at all, beyond him telling them about whatever it is he's seeing at this point. I'm... kinda hoping he tells them that Lorgar is basically just on the cusp of being Lost, at least I'm assuming he's not fully Lost yet due to the fact our last look at him included him considering the Emperor the top God, and that will hopefully let the Alpha Legion interfere in time to do something crazy.

Oh, he's effectively Lost. He's headed into the Eye of Terror and will have such a head start that nobody could catch up to stop him. But when Lorgar comes out? Well, Alpha Legion will sabotage the shit out of whatever he's planning. With both Alpha Legion and the Night Lords on to his schemes, Lorgar won't be able to pull the sneaky corruption he did in canon.

Yeah, I understand that reasoning... I just kinda want to see the Primarchs actually working together more often, instead of this mostly go it alone thing they've been doing. Especially when it comes to research/tech stuff. I'd like to eventually get all the Primarchs working together as a well oiled machine. Though I'm sure that'd take a hell of a long time to actually pull off.

Well, if we complete Warp Engine Mastery we could do the joint project that Magnus proposed.

Plus Gehenna is something of a joint project. I'd bet there will be points there where the various people working on that will work together.
 
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Oh, he's effectively Lost. He's headed into the Eye of Terror and will have such a head start that nobody could catch up to stop him. But when Lorgar comes out? Well, Alpha Legion will sabotage the shit out of whatever he's planning.



Well, if we complete Warp Engine Mastery we could do the joint project that Magnus proposed.

Plus Gehenna is something of a joint project. I'd bet there will be points there where the various people working on that will work together.
We already completed Warp engine mastery
 
Oh, he's effectively Lost. He's headed into the Eye of Terror and will have such a head start that nobody could catch up to stop him. But when Lorgar comes out? Well, Alpha Legion will sabotage the shit out of whatever he's planning. With both Alpha Legion and the Night Lords on to his schemes, Lorgar won't be able to pull the sneaky corruption he did in canon.



Well, if we complete Warp Engine Mastery we could do the joint project that Magnus proposed.

Plus Gehenna is something of a joint project. I'd bet there will be points there where the various people working on that will work together.
Yeah, just want to see as many Primarchs as possible working together. Not just with us. Though I suspect it'll take quite awhile to make all that work, especially as we aren't a diplomancer at heart.
 
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