Remove ads

The Lost Primarch Quest

Flagship Name

  • Spirit of Fire

    Votes: 21 47.7%

  • Vigilance

    Votes: 23 52.3%
  • Total voters
    44
  • Poll closed .
Reader mode
So... seeing the new Machine Spirit Research to create a soulled machine, I can't help but wonder how the Cult Mechanicus would react to it, since...
  • A soul can be bestowed only by the Omnissiah.
That... just seems like it might prove quite interesting to do.
 
jjffjhjf said:
So... seeing the new Machine Spirit Research to create a soulled machine, I can't help but wonder how the Cult Mechanicus would react to it, since...
  • A soul can be bestowed only by the Omnissiah.
That... just seems like it might prove quite interesting to do.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
It is simple, if we can create a soul for a machine, then it mean omnissiah approval.
 
Last edited:
Yeah, but people like Kelbor-Hal don't think the Emperor is the Omnissiah, and to be fair, he's never actually created a Soulled-Machine. At least to my knowledge. Which means if Kesar does so, he'd actually have a better claim to be the Omnissiah than the Emps.
 
Remove ads
Frustration
  • Sidestory
    • Frustration
    ​
    Kesar had far too many things he needed to do. Beyond just leading his sons, he had to administer his realm, maintain diplomatic relations with a variety of groups throughout the Imperium, and, and this is the part that truly took up a massive amount of his time, he had to improve his Legion. Make sure they were able to handle the ever more present threats of the Galaxy. He'd gone through a wide variety of different methods to do so, and devised even more since. From better understanding the Gene-seed that his father had devised, so as to help ensure more candidates made it through the difficult implantation process, to runes and their potential effects across every aspect of the Imperium, to figuring out ways to improve warp engines and Gellar fields to better travel the warp. The biggest issue he had with all these methods of improvement is that he often didn't understand why the things he did worked, merely that they did. Which made it so much more difficult to figure out how to proceed. Instead he had to simply brute force the issue with trial and error.

    Quite simply this wasn't good enough for long term progress. He needed to understand the underlying rules by which reality operated, truly master the forces of the cosmos in order to have a chance to properly lead his sons through more grueling campaigns like Gehanna Station. All the skill in world can't compare to simply having more effective equipment. A Gellar field strong enough to handle the deeper levels of the warp, allowing for significantly faster travel through it to wherever forces were needed could be the difference between victory and defeat. Improved Void Shields could see thousands of his sons saved where otherwise their ships destruction would ensure their downfall. He had so many different things he needed to do. But his understanding simply wasn't sufficient. He needed to learn how to understand these mechanisms better. To more effectively guide his research to ensure that never again did he lose half his sons in a single engagement.

    To this end, he communicated with every Tech-Priest in his fleet, gathering as much data as he could from every sensor throughout it. Trying to find every connection between the data points provided he possibly could. Questions nagged at him, why were certain planets of the same size producing more or less powerful gravity wells? Why did stars have different sizes, and burn at different temperatures? Why were planets so universally round? What about different elements in the air mean one atmosphere could be breathed by a normal human and others couldn't? By what mechanism did a normal person heal, was it different from his sons who had so much greater capacity for it? If so, did that apply to the difference between himself and his sons?

    He had so many questions, and he began to hypothesize, to come up with different reasons WHY such things are true. His conversations with the Mechanicus were often maddening. They understood so little of why their machines operated as they did, what caused the effects they saw, or why different rituals had different effects, merely that they did. He found himself raging against this ignorance. Found himself questioning their pursuit of the Quest for Knowledge. The Knowledge of the Ancients Stands Above Question! They told him, and yet when he responded with Understanding is the True Path to Comprehension, and Comprehension is the Key to All Things, they could give no answer beyond their comprehension of how the rituals worked, and their understanding of their importance. This simply did not satisfy him. Kesar desired to actually understand the how and why of the rituals, as opposed to just the when, where, and what.

    This frustration boiled within him, until he eventually snapped at the council of Magos he'd gathered to discussing these matters with, masters of strange and esoteric rituals, and means of fabrication all, that their Quest for Knowledge simply wasn't enough. To only go out and find the knowledge of the Ancients left behind out and about through the Galaxy? That was inefficient, insufficient, unambitious, even a dereliction of duty to their Faith. No, he would embark on a new aspect of the Quest for Knowledge. The Ancients had gathered and created all the knowledge that was possible to be known, and they had done so without any others before them. If they could do it, even if it was difficult, it must be possible to do so again, Kesar refused to hear any argument to the contrary. He would do his best to match the Ancients, and while he fully respected their accomplishments, and was sure to communicate that to the Magos in the council, only finding their dregs, piecemeal, was not enough.

    So Kesar began testing and experiments, fully encouraging the Magos under him to do their own. He sent messages to his brothers, save for Lorgar who he knew was far too angry to be reasonable, asking for their insights into the world, hoping to set up regular sharing of the knowledge he gleaned to better support the Crusade. He contacted Kelbor-Hal, regarding his desire to further the Quest for Knowledge by simply re-creating the methods the Ancients used, and asked for his help and support. Missives went back to Terra, to his Father and Malcador, requesting their support. All this he worked for, because he knew it was needed. The warp xenos were an ever present threat, Ork realms existed that had not been curtailed for millenia, unknown xenos existed out across the galaxy. There were far too many dangers, they simply needed to do better, and he could think of no better way to do so.

    All throughout his Legion his sons saw their father's devotion to the task, his passion to learn more, all driven by a desire to see the Imperium of Man succeed, to decrease the number of fallen, to protect against the terror of the Lost, and to see mankind find their place in the galaxy in safety. They saw this, and were driven to help. Tech-Marines were inundated with questions that before their lay-brothers had simply seen no value in knowing about. More brothers volunteered for Tech-Marine training. Others worked to create their own tests, often related to battle directly, for that is what they knew best. But they questioned and they learned. Experts of the blade questioned, what about a certain aspect of a swing made it more effective at killing their enemy, and was there some other aspect they could use to make it more effective? Why did certain brothers respond better or worse to different training methods, and could that knowledge be utilized to better improve training plans asked the Sergeants. All these questions and more were asked throughout the Legion, and they worked to answer them, often failing. They were not used to this task, they were not trained for it, they were not designed to question. But question they did, and they learned. To little effect at first, but knowledge is a powerful thing, and builds on itself. What might start as a small discovery with little impact can like a snowball rolling down a mountain, gather more to itself, and become a mighty thing smashing all in its way. Yet still it would take time for that snowball to grow, and for now it was small and easily broken.

    Outside of the Legion however, there were far different effects. Many of the Mechanicus scoffed at the idea, to do as the Ancients did? Impossible. Even as others viewed the idea with hope. Many a debate raged as hot as the fires of Mars' many forges. Kelbor-Hal received the letters and found himself concerned. This idea went against thousands of years of Martian dogma, and yet, to discover the knowledge of the ancients for their own? A tempting goal. Meanwhile in Magma-City Korial Zeth recieved the news and wondered.

    On Terra, different concerns were had. When Malcador read Kesar's missive, his request for support and help in what he could only think of as a worthy goal, and he grew concerned. An Ambition of this scope and scale? It was sure to draw the attention of that most cunning of the Emperor's true enemies, perhaps it even set Kesar on this path. He would have to watch, keeping a careful eye on him to ensure these good intentions did not pave the way to damnation. While of the Emperor's thoughts none outside the Imperial Palace knew, at least at first.

    Among the other Legions, the results were mixed. Most cared not for such things, beyond how their results could benefit their Legions, and instead were quite happy to allow someone else to do the work for it. For Vulkan, Magnus, Perturabo, and Ferrus Manus though? Well, they found the idea very interesting indeed. Still they were quite busy on their own projects, and whether they would have the time and opportunity to work together on these things? That was a different matter entirely, still... perhaps they could be convinced to dedicate their valuable time to the task, if present with the right arguments.

    Outside the Imperium of Man, forces moved, because this could lead to great changes for the Galaxy, from the grand and wonderful, to the dark and twisted. Beings intent on both worked behind the scenes to make one or the other more likely. A Cabal took notice of this change in the path they had expected, and wondered as to the source. While beyond the Materium itself, forces clashed, looking to stop such a method of change or to twist it to their own ends.

    In his workshop Kesar worked, unaware of the thoughts of others, but dedicated to see progress happen, to ensure his sons lives were not wasted, and to see mankind thrive once more among the stars.
     
  • Sidestory
    • I really don't know if this one is going to end up being cannon. Its... quite the event. With a hell of a lot of potential to make things happen, but... its also something that I rather think fits his character, and more reasons for things to go to hell in a hand-basket is always interesting.
     
    jjffjhjf said:
    I really don't know if this one is going to end up being cannon. Its... quite the event. With a hell of a lot of potential to make things happen, but... its also something that I rather think fits his character, and more reasons for things to go to hell in a hand-basket is always interesting.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    I think this sort of thing might happen a little later, after learning more about the Ancients' machinery and history, perhaps from Magnus or Ferrus or Perturabo.
     
    Nicholas Brooks said:
    I think this sort of thing might happen a little later, after learning more about the Ancients' machinery and history, perhaps from Magnus or Ferrus or Perturabo.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Well, this was originally designed as a means to unlock this:
    "[] Mathematical Theories - Void shields are complicated. That is an understatement Kesar found. Multidimensional calculus, vast numbers of matrices, nonordinary differential equations, all of these were involved along with more esoteric mathematical concepts. He found that to do so, the XIth Primarch had to rediscover mathematics and physics behind the universe. *Unlock Mathematics and Physics Researches* - Note these researches currently won't do anything"
    which after some thought, I realized would really involve a hell of a lot. Because just... understanding physics and math would lead to so much stuff. It would be a massive change, would be an incredibly difficult task, and just seemed like something Kesar would recognize as necessary. I suppose asking about stuff would happen later? But just what he's tried to do so far has got to be so much harder because he doesn't understand why the stuff works, just that it does. And he's driven, oh so much, to do more, ever more, to be better. This is one of the most effective ways he has to do so. So I can definitely see it happening now... but on the other hand it's such a huge thing to do. With so much potential for issues. so... I don't know. Maybe you are right, and it'll be something that actually happens later on. -shrugs- I just hope its interesting, and worth reading.
     
    jjffjhjf said:
    Well, this was originally designed as a means to unlock this:
    "[] Mathematical Theories - Void shields are complicated. That is an understatement Kesar found. Multidimensional calculus, vast numbers of matrices, nonordinary differential equations, all of these were involved along with more esoteric mathematical concepts. He found that to do so, the XIth Primarch had to rediscover mathematics and physics behind the universe. *Unlock Mathematics and Physics Researches* - Note these researches currently won't do anything"
    which after some thought, I realized would really involve a hell of a lot. Because just... understanding physics and math would lead to so much stuff. It would be a massive change, would be an incredibly difficult task, and just seemed like something Kesar would recognize as necessary. I suppose asking about stuff would happen later? But just what he's tried to do so far has got to be so much harder because he doesn't understand why the stuff works, just that it does. And he's driven, oh so much, to do more, ever more, to be better. This is one of the most effective ways he has to do so. So I can definitely see it happening now... but on the other hand it's such a huge thing to do. With so much potential for issues. so... I don't know. Maybe you are right, and it'll be something that actually happens later on. -shrugs- I just hope its interesting, and worth reading.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    I think he'll still do tests and research but he won't be telling his brothers to do so or go to such lengths as getting Malcador himself on it or trying to get the Mechanicus to change its dogma. Yet. It's probably inevitable but it won't be as drastic so soon.
     
    Last edited:
    Yeah, I can see that. There is also the other issue that it's kinda a big change that if cannon would have been decided by a single person, which is probably not really cool. At least with all the after-effects. Though... just unlocking the tech tree is probably enough to grab Tzeentch's attention, and likely Nurgle's as well. Both would have a vested interest in the results.
     
    jjffjhjf said:
    Yeah, I can see that. There is also the other issue that it's kinda a big change that if cannon would have been decided by a single person, which is probably not really cool. At least with all the after-effects. Though... just unlocking the tech tree is probably enough to grab Tzeentch's attention, and likely Nurgle's as well. Both would have a vested interest in the results.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    If we can replicate panacea and distribute it throughout all the worlds of the Imperium, it may weaken Nurgle enough for Isha to escape
     
    Huh. That seems helpful. We obviously have no idea where that is, but if we hear about it sometime, can definitely look into it, and hopefully make sure it doesn't end up stolen this time around.
     
    jjffjhjf said:
    Huh. That seems helpful. We obviously have no idea where that is, but if we hear about it sometime, can definitely look into it, and hopefully make sure it doesn't end up stolen this time around.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    Mechanicus tried to take it back , but Dark Eldar reciver support from Plague Marines .

    So yeah Nurgle will do everything to stop us .
     
    Reader mode
    You must login or register to reply here.
    Remove ads
    Back
    Top