The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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From Vlad's sheet. He was very vague about the entire event, but apparently he got the last piece, talked to the world and in the middle of that he became immortal, but with a bit of extra pushing its jewel-->world-->immortality-->
gaaah! I thought for certain that it was the set itself...and on top of that I remember seeing someone specifically state it... (that part of the set granted partial immortality).....

:( I hate it when I'm left not even knowing for sure if my memory failed me or.....
 
gaaah! I thought for certain that it was the set itself...and on top of that I remember seeing someone specifically state it... (that part of the set granted partial immortality).....

:( I hate it when I'm left not even knowing for sure if my memory failed me or.....
Eh lets double check

@Durin
1. Is Vlad willing to confirm whether its completing the set that granted him immortality, or if it was a gift from the world?
 
until Tormod brought it up the thread was happy assuming royal succession rules were in progress.
Despite it being one of the worst ways to choose your leader in history
I think that is only half of it and another half was politely ignoring that Frederick could die and the next half were sure the only problem would be to pick from the options you presented.
I want to point out that people can be part of more than one of those groups. :whistle:
hands would be chosen young, so the only path to leadership would be being chosen as a hand as a child/young adult
and having entry requirements for the trails are a thing. its standard setting is only your leaders (top couple of steps of each hierarchy) can compete
I would propose to expand that to people that later manage to obtain the nessecary attention but that would even further dilute the different branches of talent...
 
[X] Hands

Hands is the enemy of good. It relies on there being no major shock or disaster that can interrupt the heir-raising process and that's complete folly given the dual hazards of life on Avernus and life in the modern galaxy. Trials and Leaders are the only two truly viable options.
I disagree, there would be multiple Hands raised at the same time, with more joining over time to counteract attrition. Enough of them scattered all over the place to survive such a thing.

Sure, even then surviving until they are as good as our advisors is risky, but we have many tries/Hands and if they can't even manage that bare minimum of competence for an Avernus leader, so be it.
 
The Inquisitor-Farseer
The Inquisitor-Farseer

Continued from here

Seventy years left. Seven decades before The Emperor of Mankind died, releasing the Tyrant and then the Void Dragon both upon the galaxy at large. Seventh of a century before the Imperium fell apart, and the Eldar would need alternative arrangements. Her kin had been preparing for so very long, now. Exodite Worlds had long arranged for Imperial colonization of their planets, as Agriworlds or as Civilized ones. Already, they charted out the petty polities they would form out of the remains of the sector, with which they would once again use humanity as their shield.

The Craftworlds were gathering, Eldrad weaving the threads of fate on behalf of the Eldar as a whole. Orks rampaged across sectors, smashing down upon Shrine and Hive worlds alike, the better to weaken the Great Enemy when he lay claim to both. Orks. Brutal and problematic, but just barely manageable. In a galaxy where the Imperium was dead, they would exist as Chaos' counterpart. The Ancient Enemy, Necrons were awakening, ready to reap a bloody harvest. The Great Devourer arrived from the beyond. In the council of Farseers, it had been agreed that the galactic disasters could only be held in check by the other galactic disasters.

Except.

Except.

The Drukhari's only foes were ever the True Eldar. They held the Webway. Foreseen was a great conflict between the light and dark of the Eldar, an unavoidable one. Therein lied the objectives of the Eldar Farseers who still acted - Create allies for the Rhana Dandra to come. Weaken their many enemies as far as possible. Preserve the Eldar for their final gambit. The first was important, but difficult, for the Emperor's death and the Tyrant's birth both made the future after that point increasingly hazy - Any they created could fall prey to Chaos God that was born, along with much of the human race. The second was difficult, but ultimately rather simple in nature. The third task was a constant one that restrained the previous two.

Lloyth's overall objectives as an inquisitor was relatively understandable. Commandeer as many of the xenophobic Humans and their Astartes, and send them striking against the Dark Eldar. Concentrate as much of the Imperium's forces and resources in pockets that might survive the death of the Emperor. Ensure neither the Eldar nor Imperium wasted resources slaughtering each other. The Eldar had not the effort to spare for such waste of life, not when those forces could be used fighting the enemies of the Eldar.

To that end, she had been cultivating a relationship with the incredibly xenophobic Nova Marines as well as the Deathwatch. Further ahead, there were Sisters of Battle and the Ministorum.. a single step at a time. But of course, as in all plans, there were complications.

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"Master Ezekiel. It's an honor." Lolyth spoke, head bowed as any human would to their genetic warriors. Who existed far more in the warp than any human would ever admit.

"The honor is mine, Inquisitor Tloyhl." The Chapter Master of the Nova Marines spoke. One of the space marine chapters she planned to eliminate.

"I have foreseen numerous Eldar raids within this sector, and I need the assistance of the Nova Marines to terminate them." With the Eldar-hating, one did not specify Drukhari or Dark - As with speech, one played to the biases of who one spoke to.

"Of course, Tloyhl. Give the word, and the Nova Marines will be there to cleanse the wretches xenos from the galaxy." It was a hard-earned respect, but earn it she did. By directing fleets and assets against the Dark Eldar again and again. Such things quite naturally earned the respect of those who hated the Dark Eldar.

"On other matters, how goes your work with Inquisitor Raevan? I've only heard tales of his efficiency in these matters." She largely knew of him as a threat, for though his scope of targets were by and large the Drukhari, Raevan made no distinction between the three major Eldar factions - To him, all were to be exterminated.

"It goes well. We thwarted the plots of one of their Farseers on Pezitov. They fought worse than guardsmen. Inferior to humanity, as all Xenos are." It was naturally only a matter of time before Raevan stumbled into something truly important.

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Her divination - And that of the Seer Council - ensured victory as one would expect. She watched as the Drukhari fleets struck mines, the brutal weapons of the Imperium strike past the Shadowfields and Mimic Engines that protected their fragile hulls. Incubi and Kabalite Warriors met Imperial Guard and Astartes, a scene that Lloyth ensured repeated again and again with every system they intervened against. For most Inquisitors, this would be a job done enough, extraordinary really.

Lloyth had far more tasks than a normal Inquisitor. In each system, there was much to do beyond the mere protecting of that world. On behalf of the other Seers, she found herself making constant interventions in each world. A cultist who would become a dangerous Chaos Lord. Corrupt Governors who send the world to ruin and debauchery. A citizen who would, with the proper intervention, become a famed Admiral with ties to the Eldar. So much more besides.

And with every intervention, she knew she pushed up against the limits of belief. The Inquisitor Raeven was increasingly suspicious of her with every triumph over the Eldar, even as Chapter Master Ezekiel's belief in her grew further and deeper with the same. Eliminating the Eldarphobic Inquisitor was a priority. A confrontation was coming, and she felt disconcertingly unsure as to what the outcome would be. The Inquisitor seemed rather resilient to Divination, which was concerning in of itself.

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Culexeus.

Soulless abominations trained into becoming assassins, the name struck fear even into the Eldar. A single touch was as lethal as the Harlequin's Kiss, and far more horrifying than the mere dissolution of one's organs. One's very soul, very being and existence would be erased, the end result not truly different from a necron.

One of the monstrosities was after her.

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Inquisitor Tloyhl ran, biomancy keeping her just beyond the reach of the enveloping horror that approached. Her retinue desperately tried and failed to stop the Culexeus. A single touch, and an elite Cadian bodyguard dropped dead. Another, and a surprised sanctioned had but moments to realize the soullessness that befell him. Some part of Tloyhl's mind wished that she had recruited more, more diversified retinue for just this very attack. The one with the most success so far was the Enginseer and Servitor, horror not quite overcoming dispassion as mechanical tendrils dueled soulless flesh.

She fought to maintain composure as she activated doors aboard the ship, providing a physical barrier between herself and the all-consuming void clad in human flesh. Then a muffled grunt, as the Culexeus attempted to enter the vent. For a moment, she allowed herself a moment of relief. Unlike nearly all imperial ships and cities, she had done the impossible, something that only her own 'alien and incomprehensible' mind had allowed: The vent was only six inches wide.

Take that, you fucking abomination.

Then a thunk as the nameless Culexeus dropped down, and the doors burned open to show the Inquisitor Raevan with the Culexeus. There was some distance now between them, enough for her to call upon the warp. Not enough that she did not see the Inquisitor Raeven with the Culexeus.

"Eldar Witch. You really thought you could infiltrate the Inquisition, did you?"

Lloyth didn't answer in words, bolts of psychic flame and lightning burning through the ship's corridors to be defeated by the Culexeus' warp-void.

"My family was captured by your depraved kind."

The Culexeus advanced slowly, held back by Raevan's desperate need to monologue. Certain in it's invincibility. Certain that a psyker without their powers was nothing.

"Tortured for fun."

A Farseer's powers do not define her.

"And now, you will pay. Like every blasted, wretched spawn of your kind!"

She called upon flames again, ionized air flooding through the corridor as the Culexeus charged with graceless speed. Certain in it's victory, it failed to contemplate the possibility of an enemy who had means beyond psychic powers; Plasma cut through the void of the Culexeus, well concealed by witchfire and the Force-Staff her Engineer had designed her plasmagun into. Splattered parts of the abominable creature adorned the walls, it's existence as a harrowing void in the warp no more.

Unfortunately, the Inquisitor Raevan was absent, understanding the folly of facing a Farseer in single combat.

No matter.

There was an inquisitorial tribunal to be held.

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@Durin

AN: Nobody expects the inquisition six-inch vents.
 
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Iv been reading through all the omakes and thought ild take notes/questions.
Il apologise in advance for any spelling/formating issues i miss my ipads screen is glitching a bit.

1 - Ask the elder if they could acquire a necron hulk with a "mostly" intact inertialess drive.
Has as much STL and in-system advantage as ftl.

2 - Ask about tithed soldiers from before warp storm.

3 - Ask about our agri-world opposite and if he survived the emperors death.

4 - Have the eldar leave chaos/dark elder bodies after sabotaging something to lure our enemy's to fight each other. "Orks" "with ridcully aid"

5 - Look up imp trust records for old battle sights that might have semi-intact hulks.

6 - Ask have we shared frequency research with the eldar

7 - Ask has durin said anything about the well of urds man of stone or is it potentially still hidden on the ship in standby mode?.
Could we maybe try postcognition on the well of urd to know what happened to it?.

8 - Could we and the eldar lure a ork warrgh to attack the dark eldar?.

9 - Could gellar field tech be used design anti-warp tech i.e anti psyker technique shields.

10 - Suggest a project combining psykers and veterans of demonic incursions to actively train/test the wills of the armed forces "due to numbers probably limited to helguard and up for start".

11 - Buy advice "not knowledge" from the eldar for psyker research i.e being able to say what problems and issues you'll likely run into and have to over come for anything they've experienced anything similar to. mechanically something like an adviser that could cut a few years off a number of different researches by speeding up the early trial and error parts.

12 -Running wargames on a tainted world to build the army's resistance to chaos corruption
I.e mainly finding and removing the more vulnerable people in a more controlled environment.
Not sure how viable this one is.

13 - Casaba howitzer mines for tyranids/orks heavys "Shaped nuclear mines for rad/near laser damage".

14 - The emperors prayers used to be a memetic defence would it be feasible to develop some sort of knock off defence for the general population? Maybe one per chaos god using the knowledge we got from saint lin as a basis.

15 - Divine for the fate of the squats if we haven't already.

16 - Did we ever discover what happened to that grey knight that disappeared?.

Planetary assault tactics

17 - Orbital bombardment into the sea to cause a tidal wave?.

18 - Ask size of tectonic weapons "steath shuttle deployment and use before assault if need be build custom shuttle"

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A number are probably pointless since i know i wrote a few after being up for over 24hrs at the time.
 
Iv been reading through all the omakes and thought ild take notes/questions.
Il apologise in advance for any spelling/formating issues i miss my ipads screen is glitching a bit.

1 - Ask the elder if they could acquire a necron hulk with a "mostly" intact inertialess drive.
Has as much STL and in-system advantage as ftl.

2 - Ask about tithed soldiers from before warp storm.

3 - Ask about our agri-world opposite and if he survived the emperors death.

4 - Have the eldar leave chaos/dark elder bodies after sabotaging something to lure our enemy's to fight each other. "Orks" "with ridcully aid"

5 - Look up imp trust records for old battle sights that might have semi-intact hulks.

6 - Ask have we shared frequency research with the eldar

7 - Ask has durin said anything about the well of urds man of stone or is it potentially still hidden on the ship in standby mode?.
Could we maybe try postcognition on the well of urd to know what happened to it?.

8 - Could we and the eldar lure a ork warrgh to attack the dark eldar?.

9 - Could gellar field tech be used design anti-warp tech i.e anti psyker technique shields.

10 - Suggest a project combining psykers and veterans of demonic incursions to actively train/test the wills of the armed forces "due to numbers probably limited to helguard and up for start".

11 - Buy advice "not knowledge" from the eldar for psyker research i.e being able to say what problems and issues you'll likely run into and have to over come for anything they've experienced anything similar to. mechanically something like an adviser that could cut a few years off a number of different researches by speeding up the early trial and error parts.

12 -Running wargames on a tainted world to build the army's resistance to chaos corruption
I.e mainly finding and removing the more vulnerable people in a more controlled environment.
Not sure how viable this one is.

13 - Casaba howitzer mines for tyranids/orks heavys "Shaped nuclear mines for rad/near laser damage".

14 - The emperors prayers used to be a memetic defence would it be feasible to develop some sort of knock off defence for the general population? Maybe one per chaos god using the knowledge we got from saint lin as a basis.

15 - Divine for the fate of the squats if we haven't already.

16 - Did we ever discover what happened to that grey knight that disappeared?.

Planetary assault tactics

17 - Orbital bombardment into the sea to cause a tidal wave?.

18 - Ask size of tectonic weapons "steath shuttle deployment and use before assault if need be build custom shuttle"

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A number are probably pointless since i know i wrote a few after being up for over 24hrs at the time.
1. Probably, but they're TL30+. They're so much more advanced than us we have no idea what they're actual Tech level is, as far as we're concerned its ****ing magic. As we know from attempted examination of the tyranids we are no where near the point where we can have a go at reverse engineering TL30+. Also the crons would probably want it back...
2. Maybe useful, though we know the ones on Cadia died.
3. Dead eaten by Tyranids.
4. They do that already as a matter of course. Hell they've literally had troops we've tithed to them dress up in spikes and pretend to be chaos bois to fool the orks etc.
5. Almost certainly all salvaged long ago, there's very very little left in the way of DAoT that hasn't been taken by now.
6. Yes, their's understand of psycic frequencies is +30 tech levels higher than ours.
7. I'm pretty sure Durin decided the well's was destroyed.
8. The Eldar did that within literal days of Vect making his pact with Slaanesh.
9. Maybe, do fundamentals and find out.
10. No need we already do things like that and other things to increase will power, like living on Avernus.
11. We can buy an actual research team to help us out, idea has problems cause they're 60 million years old, what mistakes they made probably were forgotten tens of millions of years before Homoerectus was a thing.
12. Not very, chaos is very good at worming its way into people. Its a memetic hazard, strong wills helps, but it only takes one moment of weakness for it to get in.
13. Nukes are already pretty much barred, but probably viable, albeit quite expensive.
14. Likely to have extremely minimal effects without an actual god backing it up. Emps was weird and powerful any such prayers would basically be operating solely on the power of belief, which is powerful in aggregate, but to have active effects needs many many more people than we have.
15. Maybe, but unless we've need of them not much reason to do so.
16. Kidnapped by He Who Walks Obliquely for the Planet's research. We have no idea if he's dead, alive or otherwise.
17. Likely falls under the universe won't allow it problems. With how powerful the guns are meant to be ground combat should never be a thing in 40K.
18. Probably a custom one, likely needs set up time.

Great to see you catching up :)
 
Iv been reading through all the omakes and thought ild take notes/questions.
Il apologise in advance for any spelling/formating issues i miss my ipads screen is glitching a bit.

1 - Ask the elder if they could acquire a necron hulk with a "mostly" intact inertialess drive.
Has as much STL and in-system advantage as ftl.

2 - Ask about tithed soldiers from before warp storm.

3 - Ask about our agri-world opposite and if he survived the emperors death.

4 - Have the eldar leave chaos/dark elder bodies after sabotaging something to lure our enemy's to fight each other. "Orks" "with ridcully aid"

5 - Look up imp trust records for old battle sights that might have semi-intact hulks.

6 - Ask have we shared frequency research with the eldar

7 - Ask has durin said anything about the well of urds man of stone or is it potentially still hidden on the ship in standby mode?.
Could we maybe try postcognition on the well of urd to know what happened to it?.

8 - Could we and the eldar lure a ork warrgh to attack the dark eldar?.

9 - Could gellar field tech be used design anti-warp tech i.e anti psyker technique shields.

10 - Suggest a project combining psykers and veterans of demonic incursions to actively train/test the wills of the armed forces "due to numbers probably limited to helguard and up for start".

11 - Buy advice "not knowledge" from the eldar for psyker research i.e being able to say what problems and issues you'll likely run into and have to over come for anything they've experienced anything similar to. mechanically something like an adviser that could cut a few years off a number of different researches by speeding up the early trial and error parts.

12 -Running wargames on a tainted world to build the army's resistance to chaos corruption
I.e mainly finding and removing the more vulnerable people in a more controlled environment.
Not sure how viable this one is.

13 - Casaba howitzer mines for tyranids/orks heavys "Shaped nuclear mines for rad/near laser damage".

14 - The emperors prayers used to be a memetic defence would it be feasible to develop some sort of knock off defence for the general population? Maybe one per chaos god using the knowledge we got from saint lin as a basis.

15 - Divine for the fate of the squats if we haven't already.

16 - Did we ever discover what happened to that grey knight that disappeared?.

Planetary assault tactics

17 - Orbital bombardment into the sea to cause a tidal wave?.

18 - Ask size of tectonic weapons "steath shuttle deployment and use before assault if need be build custom shuttle"

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A number are probably pointless since i know i wrote a few after being up for over 24hrs at the time.
@nathnathn
1. No can do. First, Necron tech is beyond us all. It's just far too advanced for anyone. Vulkan is *maybe* the only one who could manage it, but he'd need centuries to millennia without interruption.

2. Eldar wouldn't know, and they've been dead for close to a thousand years by now, sadly. OOC, we know they died kicking the ever living shit out of Chaos.

3. Rutbart did. Sadly, Tyranids ate Arbykke sometime afterwards. Not sure if he died before then, though.

4. Eh, that's both standard Eldar procedure and a bit harder to do now. due to Vect selling all his forces to Slaanesh

5. Not much help. The "hulks" that would be left are in Ork or Chaos hands.

6. Eldar have their own equivalent. The research is incompatible anyways, as humans and Eldar have different neurology.

7. It's basically dead/deactivated, and our guys are not going to touch that can of SATAN any time soon (AI is still AdMech Satan, afterall)

8. Eldar already do that. Not as effective since the Dark Eldar regained their Psykerness and use Haemonculae modified daemons for stuff. even before they joined Slaanesh

9. Nope. Gellar Fields and Psytech don't interact. Same reason we can't use them to protect planetside stuff from Incursions.

10. We don't have enough Psykers for that. In fact, by the time we do have enough we would be mostly Psykers.

11. Takes a Major Favor, just gives a bonus to research rolls.

12. Eh, not useful. Only Avernites and Nieflheimrs can go to such worlds, and the wargames would just waste resources.

13. Nukes suffer a metaphysical mallus. I'd suggest asking Durin himself rather than the thread, but they'd probably not be very efficient. Also, Tyranids would be very unaffected because bullshit.

14. Sorry, no god = no prayer effects. Psyker research in that vein is psyker only as well.

15. As far as we know, the Squats got ate by Tyranids, though we have rumors that there are Squats in the Vestri League (a polity a bit over a thousand light yers away, outside our range of investigation). In Embers, there is a canon omake that reveals that an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor was responsible, as he used his Inquisitor Lord's authority (not his own) to divert resources as he considers Abhumans to be xenos. All of the First Founding Chapters/Legions, a massive chunk of the Inquisition, at least 1 Full Assassinorum Strike Team from all 6 Main Temples, and an entire team of Adeptus Custodes hunted him down and ensured he is dead. As this was millenia ago, they did not ensure True Death. He was the Abominations first Daemon Prince

16. Got catnapped on Avernus Planetmind's orders by He Who Walks Obliquely, a Border Lion that became Transcendant by assassinating an Exalted Daemon in his own domain. Close friend of Famed Explorer Vlad Tepes, the old Firend that Dalv Sepet said would laugh if he ever took a Phase Tiger companion.

17. Standard practice if it ever actually mattered. Orbital Bombardment is conceptually nerf'd by something in universe. Likely to counter the sheer horrors of the War in Heaven Milky Way in Embers is smaller than real life, and there are no satelite galaxies either

18. Currently Tectonic weapons consists of Termite and related tunneling transports (which includes the unimplemented designs of the Ordinatus Aktaeus, a Ordinatus scaled tunneling Transport), a few types of super-heavy ordnance like Quake and Tremor cannons, and a man portable device we got from the Ultramarines that they reverse engineered from the Tau, since currently we are post AdMech civil war, no need to lie fully.
 
just a note casaba howitzers aren't conventional nukes there essentially bomb pumped lasers of massive power with the trade off of being one use.
 
17. Likely falls under the universe won't allow it problems. With how powerful the guns are meant to be ground combat should never be a thing in 40K.
17. Standard practice if it ever actually mattered. Orbital Bombardment is conceptually nerf'd by something in universe. Likely to counter the sheer horrors of the War in Heaven Milky Way in Embers is smaller than real life, and there are no satelite galaxies either

there are a lot of logical and practical reasons that Orbital Bombardment isn't the go to solution and they make a lot more sense then the contrived backwards reason of the plot arbitrarily deciding it isn't , these include but are not limited to :
1) orbital bombardment can be extremely destructive to a plants habitability and considering how rare habitable plants are in addition to how expensive and unreliable Terraforming tech is means that unless absolutely necessary orbital bombardment is kept to a minimum if not outright avoided
2) availability of ships in order to allow for truly effective wide spread orbital bombardment a sizable force of ships would need to be available for how ever many weeks , months and years needed for the conclusion of the ground war , holding up ships that are likely needed else were
3) contested void , if you have played battle fleet Gothic you will noticed that ships have to make there way to ideal position to provide orbital bombardment something made much more complicated if there is an opposing void presence
4) unacceptable damage some times the planet your taking has critical infrastructure and population centers that are too important to risk damaging with orbital bombardment forcing them to be taken the conventionally
5) the various factions in 40k have been space faring and warring for thousands of years they have developed tactics ,tech and strategies that take into account the threat of orbital bombardment .foe example theater and planetary class void shields can make any thing from hives to whole battle fields immune to but the most extensive and sustained of orbital bombardment runs ,orbital defense guns can shred any ship trying to get in position over its target to carry out orbital bombardment , the Eldar factions get around orbital bombardment by being extremely mobile or simply not being detected
6)....ect..ect

the point I am trying to make is that there are plenty of realistic and sensible reasons why orbital bombardment isn't the be all and end all of war in the setting , and that declaring it nerf'd cause the plot arbitrarily said so cheapens the shear complexity and challenge inherent to war on a galactic scale
 
The problem isn't just with the Hands, it's also with the governor themselves. If they die, the whole plan of raising hyper-competent personality-tailored Hands goes kaput and all you're left with is a number of sub-standard trainees.

As for the idea of a backup, I'd like people to strongly consider that this maybe isn't a case where it'd be that easy to have our cake and eat it too. It's introducing competing succession systems and forcing them to work together, which is a recipe for disharmony.

Let's take Hands+Leaders as an example. We'll have a bunch of heirs being explicitly groomed for governance. The governor dies before one of them finishes the apprenticeship. Who becomes governor? Perhaps one of the most gifted of the Hands, someone who's highly competent, who was nearing the end of the apprenticeship, who "everyone knew" was gonna get picked by the governor as the final choice in exclusion to all the other highly competent candidates for the governorship? Or perhaps it should go to, as the law says, one of the leaders who run one of the many very powerful, critically important organisations running Avernus, who are all so ambitious and self-confident that they think they amongst all the various leaders and Hands are the best pick to rule the world.

Hands+Leaders is primed to become a succession nightmare. Every system has its downsides. The compromise fusion votes don't have any less downsides, just different ones.
Uh, the hand+trials doesn't seem like an issue since as pointed out if a hands gains the position through trial then it would be because he was qualified and since they would have been trained for it and the main reasons for the trials would have been to decide who was fit if it looks like the hands weren't ready.

As the whole scenario of them potentially dying that would be one of the reasons to have a back up plan. Another thing to note is that we literally have tons of people who have survived for hundreds of years with some from the very start still being alive. Also that reasoning could literally be applied to every single one of the higher ups or most capable people.

Yes no system is prefect but redundancies is just common sense in most cases.
 
the point I am trying to make is that there are plenty of realistic and sensible reasons why orbital bombardment isn't the be all and end all of war in the setting , and that declaring it nerf'd cause the plot arbitrarily said so cheapens the shear complexity and challenge inherent to war on a galactic scale
But the fact remains that having orbital dominance should be enough to just win by threat against everything but orks and as described every ship should be a few KM long exterminatus. Hell you even point that out.

Instead, you need entire fleets to soften up a planet enough for exterminatus to work.

So yeah there are reasons, but the fact that there still are planets in 40K indicates to me that it has been cosmically nerfed for the same reasons we're not farting nukes.
 
[X] Hands- You could use a combination of divination and other method to find gifted youths and put them through extensive training for leadership. These people would then be used as the Governors hands, personal agents that will be used to a wide range of situations in order to test and train them. The Next Governor would then be chosen from among the Hands. This would ensure a talented successor with similar beliefs but would take centuries for any of the hands to reach the level of your current advisers.
 
I know that people joked about Avernite pets being basically Grimdark Pokemon but jokes aside having super deadly psychic animals immune to chaos along with having a strong inclination towards killing chaos would actually be great to have in more Avernite households. From a pragmatic standpoint it would make chaos cultists have a far harder time of hiding if say an apartment building is filled with lighting mice ready to fry them the moment they fall to Chaos. Surprised there isn't an omake about Avernite equivalent of Pokemon battles since that would seem to have a lot of potential. Then again there really aren't that many creatures that would probably work at the moment. Would probably change in the future.
 
I remember durin saying that after we assimilated the tech from the grand conclave, the imperial trust would be tech level 19(military) .

@Durin has that happened yet, or do we have to integrate every single item (asteroud miners, dark matter reactors etc) to get to tl 19?
 
I know that people joked about Avernite pets being basically Grimdark Pokemon but jokes aside having super deadly psychic animals immune to chaos along with having a strong inclination towards killing chaos would actually be great to have in more Avernite households. From a pragmatic standpoint it would make chaos cultists have a far harder time of hiding if say an apartment building is filled with lighting mice ready to fry them the moment they fall to Chaos. Surprised there isn't an omake about Avernite equivalent of Pokemon battles since that would seem to have a lot of potential. Then again there really aren't that many creatures that would probably work at the moment. Would probably change in the future.
I'll note that avernite pokemon battles at the moment are liable to be lethal to the pokemon in question :D

But, yeah I'd love to have more integration of avernite life into avernite hives and people. My personal desire is to Miyazaki our hives up, something which is having progress made towards it.
 
[X] Hands

I was just wondering, but would it still be possible for Tormond to awaken as a psyker at this stage in his life?
 
I was just wondering, but would it still be possible for Tormond to awaken as a psyker at this stage in his life?
No more than anyone else, so not very high.

Actually probably lower than most since he's been in many stressful situations and a lot of very buried psykers have the powers finally emerge from stress.
 
No more than anyone else, so not very high.

Actually probably lower than most since he's been in many stressful situations and a lot of very buried psykers have the powers finally emerge from stress.
Perhaps, but at the same time, Freya's father or grandfather awakened as a psyker when he was like over a hundred I think? So he has the blood of psyker in him, plus exposure to Avernus. Its just a matter of time until a member of Rotbarts family is a psyker.
 
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