The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 592 80.3%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.7%

  • Total voters
    737
From Discord:


@Shard, please seriously consider this blessing we have been endowed with. It will cost 0.5% of our AM income to make 1 million deathstrikes. No EM cost. Dirt cheap everything-else costs. Deathstrikes cost less than some of our infantry weapons.
I think there might be some rebalancing required....durin is continuously scaling the cost of things for OOC balancing....

(seriously, how the crap have we gotten to the point where our inventry weapons cost more then entire missles?)
 
From Discord:


@Shard, please seriously consider this blessing we have been endowed with. It will cost 0.5% of our AM income to make 1 million deathstrikes. No EM cost. Dirt cheap everything-else costs. Deathstrikes cost less than some of our infantry weapons.
Looking at it. I think the costs should have gone up, and/or we have built a tone more deathstrikes though. It would be a weird oversight on Rotbart's part otherwise.
I remember that in the days of the Imperium there were infantry weapons that cost more than entire worlds.


Some of them cost RM and EM though.
Only because the Imperium was utterly garbage at managing some worlds.

e:


Expand Helguard- The third expansion proposal that General Richards has put forth will greatly expand the size of your Helguard. This will give you an entire corps of soldiers able to utterly annihilate all but the strongest foes, and entire divisions of heavy armour. On the downside it will take a long time to gather and train this number of Helguard, and it will be very expensive for to maintain. General Richards considers this to be the lowest priority of the military expansions due to cost.

Time: 18 years

Cost: 1,600,000,000 Thrones, 110,000,000 Material, 5,600,000 Promethium, 42,000,000 Advanced Material, 540,000 Exotic Material .
Upkeep per year: 320,000,000 Thrones, 23,000,000 Material, 1,100,000 Promethium, 4,200,000 Advanced Material, 27,000 Exotic Material.
Reward: Triple the size of your Helguard by recruiting 150 Helguard Shocktrooper Regiments, 300 Helguard Trooper Regiments Regiments, 146 Helguard Paratrooper Regiments, 147 Helguard Scout Infantry Regiments, 25 Helguard Fast Armour Regiments, 25 Helguard Armour Regiments, 24 Helguard Jetbike Regiments, 200 Helguard Deathstrike Batteries, 3 Helguard Life-Eater Deathstrike Batteries, 3 Thundabeast Brigades, 25 Helguard Phase-Tiger Rider Companies, 15 Helguard Skimmer Regiments, 5 Helguard Land Raider Trooper Regiments, 30 Crab Regiments, 100 Testudo Regiments, 30 Macharius Heavy Armour Regiments, 4 Macharius Vanquisher Heavy Armour Regiments, 50 Macharius Mega-Vanquisher Heavy Armour Regiments, 15 Magni Transporter Companies,10 Northern Sentinel Maniples, 10 Hellord Regiments and 50 Fellblade Regiments
Found this.

I think Deathstrike costs should have gone up.
 
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So was Dalv/Vlad tbh
Dalv was an interesting side character Rotbart had little reason to care about (Not chaotic, not unusually super, not extraordinary abilities, other people's job to investigate for him, only knew about Vlad as someone who existed long ago). Deathstrikes are a key part of our military, which is Rotbart's expertise and job.
 
It's ridiculous, the vote to investigate the sea at the top is still there now reading 75% and yet we didn't do it.

I get that referendums aren't how this threads politics work (we aren't GB) but it is silly it's still sitting there.
 
It's ridiculous, the vote to investigate the sea at the top is still there now reading 75% and yet we didn't do it.

I get that referendums aren't how this threads politics work (we aren't GB) but it is silly it's still sitting there.
apparently durin can't remove it nor can admins.....which is pretty strange.

or so I heard at least.
Eh, we'll be switching threads in not that long anyway, so it won't be a problem for much longer.

It is a nice testament though to the fact that although many people follow the quest, comparatively few of them actually vote, and the minority who opposed it were far more active and decided against it in various plans.
 
Eh, we'll be switching threads in not that long anyway, so it won't be a problem for much longer.

It is a nice testament though to the fact that although many people follow the quest, comparatively few of them actually vote, and the minority who opposed it were far more active and decided against it in various plans.
that was my assessment as well.
 
Eh, we'll be switching threads in not that long anyway, so it won't be a problem for much longer.

It is a nice testament though to the fact that although many people follow the quest, comparatively few of them actually vote, and the minority who opposed it were far more active and decided against it in various plans.
As an active participant who felt it was a worthwhile endeavour on its own merits I was really disappointed by my lazy comrades. Reminded me too much of real world politics...
 
I wanted to do it, but only if Lin got transcendent Piety. and sadly he didn't.
Well, it would actually have had a higher chance of transcendence than healing Guilliman did. However, it was also pretty dangerous, although a crit fail and possible Bad End (for Avernus at least) would have been extremely unlikely, and could also have been completely mitigated by having Lin do the research on an uninhabited planet somewhere else.
 
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Well, it would actually have had a higher chance of transcendence than healing Guilliman did. However, it was also pretty dangerous, although a crit fail and possible Bad End (for Avernus at least) would have been extremely unlikely, and could also have been completely mitigated by having Lin do the research on an uninhabited planet somewhere else.
in durins own words it was a "possible Bad End" for us...and yet another bad-news pancake ontop of the rest of the stack for everyone else.

so the fact that it woulden't insta-gib our planet if we have him do it on a different one (and presumeably our neighboring allys as well) doesn't negate the fact that it would SPAWN A SIXTH CHAOS FORCE...

also, a crit fail is not "extremely" unlikely...1/100 is not that uncommon. and I vaguely recall that the 2-roll would also be pretty bad news too.
 
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also, a crit fail is not "extremely" unlikely...1/100 is not that uncommon. and I vaguely recall that the 2-roll would also be pretty bad news too.
Basically the least bad roll would drive Lin insane and render him useless for Guliman.

Pretty much anything higher and we'd swiftly die as chaos dog piled us, Lin goes chaos and brings an army to kill us, or Lin becomes the 6th god of chaos...

Then we die.

Doing it on another planet doesn't really do much to shield us from the explosion.
 
Basically the least bad roll would drive Lin insane and render him useless for Guliman.

Pretty much anything higher and we'd swiftly die as chaos dog piled us, Lin goes chaos and brings an army to kill us, or Lin becomes the 6th god of chaos...

Then we die.

Doing it on another planet doesn't really do much to shield us from the explosion.
when the "explosion" is actually the spawning of a new enemy force (one which would likely target us since its new leader would presumeably hate/love us for being its/hes former allies) has a intergalactic danger radius....
 
@Shard, would you think it worth it if you swapped out one of the Biologis actions with a free action? That is, let Maximal do what he wants. Last time we let him do what he wanted we got spiderbane dragonflies so it might be worth doing again.
 
It's ridiculous, the vote to investigate the sea at the top is still there now reading 75% and yet we didn't do it.

I get that referendums aren't how this threads politics work (we aren't GB) but it is silly it's still sitting there.
As an active participant who felt it was a worthwhile endeavour on its own merits I was really disappointed by my lazy comrades. Reminded me too much of real world politics...
In principle every vote is a referenda.

There were many opportunities to go for the Sea. The active participants voted no at each juncture.
 
@Shard, would you think it worth it if you swapped out one of the Biologis actions with a free action? That is, let Maximal do what he wants. Last time we let him do what he wanted we got spiderbane dragonflies so it might be worth doing again.
I don't really like the idea, unless Durin mentions something like there being an interesting species for them to target or such.

Added to the plan:

1. Write in: Avernite Succession System - Work our Avernus' Succession system. (OOC: Another vote to work this out. I expect this to take awhile.)

Removed Ridcully G.Div'ing for Rotbart's Successor. We'll do this the hard way.
 
Pretty much anything higher and we'd swiftly die as chaos dog piled us, Lin goes chaos and brings an army to kill us, or Lin becomes the 6th god of chaos...
Durin gave examples of possible damages, and it was not nearly as bad as you say. Basically, the bad end was only possible on a crit failure, anything less than that would just cause a lot of damage to the planet and our diplomatic reputation.
 
Durin gave examples of possible damages, and it was not nearly as bad as you say. Basically, the bad end was only possible on a crit failure, anything less than that would just cause a lot of damage to the planet and our diplomatic reputation.
No the examples I gave were copies of the ones Durin gave.

The absolute worst, primal warp daemons come to eat us as Lin is ascended as the 6th god of chaos.

Slightly less terrible, Lin falls and becomes a powerful slave of chaos.

Mid terrible Chaos notices what we're doing and body slams us with a chaos undivided incursion, Lin goes bonkers.

Least terrible, Lin goes mad, and is functionally useless, no Guliman.

Sure only the absolute worst is a guranteed game over, but aside from the least worst, they're all almost certain game overs.
 
No the examples I gave were copies of the ones Durin gave.

The absolute worst, primal warp daemons come to eat us as Lin is ascended as the 6th god of chaos.

Slightly less terrible, Lin falls and becomes a powerful slave of chaos.

Mid terrible Chaos notices what we're doing and body slams us with a chaos undivided incursion, Lin goes bonkers.

Least terrible, Lin goes mad, and is functionally useless, no Guliman.

Sure only the absolute worst is a guranteed game over, but aside from the least worst, they're all almost certain game overs.
In all of them we have committed political suicide as a mild side effect.
 
No the examples I gave were copies of the ones Durin gave.

The absolute worst, primal warp daemons come to eat us as Lin is ascended as the 6th god of chaos.

Slightly less terrible, Lin falls and becomes a powerful slave of chaos.

Mid terrible Chaos notices what we're doing and body slams us with a chaos undivided incursion, Lin goes bonkers.

Least terrible, Lin goes mad, and is functionally useless, no Guliman.

Sure only the absolute worst is a guranteed game over, but aside from the least worst, they're all almost certain game overs.

From Discord said:
1. For Primordial Sea failures, how does the badness of the failure scale. Bare fail is Lin going insane and/or dying, but what are the chances of things going really bad?

1. 1 % chance of likely bad end, around 10% chance of massive damage, 10% chance of series damage, rest lin is all that is lost
Even the absolute worst wasn't a guaranteed bad end, and the rest sure don't sound like almost certain game overs.
 
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