Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Lets play spot the main character!
Noo couldn't be
Here's a tricky one
And for your final challenge
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Noo couldn't be
Here's a tricky one
And for your final challenge
PS. Why can I no longer embed images its very irritating?
White hair, resistance to toxins, faster reflexes ..... is the planet mind making geralt of rivia?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
No a planet of Janes and Ophelias
sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
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- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
Actually, for 40k, humans with odd color hair and eyes are normal. Though, they don't have anime hair & eyes, like in Wombat's examples 1, 2, or 3. 4 is kinda normal (at least from what I can see), while 5 actually has a majority of plausible hair and only a small number of implausible (row 2 - second seat Kaminari Denki; row 3 - seats 1 [shape only], 4 [feathers], and 5 [two-tone]; row 4 - seats 1 [invisible] and 4 [super-sticky grape lumps]). Cadians have natural purple eyes, for example. And Midoriya and Asui both have realistic green hair (relatively speaking)
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So... what you're saying is that Avernites being shounen anime protagonists is canonical and lore-friendly?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Twas the main character joke tho.
Show 1-4 to a non weeb and I bet you they'd tell who the MC was.
Show 5 tho, much better at hiding it.
Anyway yeah odd hair colours are not too unusual partially why its not a bigger deal. Its just maybe more pronounced on Avernus.
Quite possibly.
I've said this again and again 40K is much more anime than it seems on the surface.
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@Shard According to Durin, the odds that the Planet Mind might agree to help limit Chaos corruption of Avernite human psykers is "unkown, but [a] long shot". I asked whether it might be willing to do that in response to the Chaos ritual, whether to spite/fight Chaos, counteract Chaos meddling in its experiments, or simply as part of its enhancement of Avernite humans, like the increased increased frequency and potency of psykers, as well as the improve physical abilities Avernite humans possess.
Obviously that's not to say that it's likely to succeed, and there's probably a 95%+ (99%+?) chance of failure, but it's also not a definite "no" either. On the off chance it actually works, then it could be really useful. Certainly, every little helps when it comes to minimising the fallout of the Chaos ritual for us. As such, do you think it'd be worth adding a diplomacy action to request HWWO to ask the Planet Mind for us? It doesn't exactly cost us anything to try, so I don't really see the harm in doing that. Certainly, if there's not anything more urgent to do, then it might be a worthwhile filler action at least.
Obviously that's not to say that it's likely to succeed, and there's probably a 95%+ (99%+?) chance of failure, but it's also not a definite "no" either. On the off chance it actually works, then it could be really useful. Certainly, every little helps when it comes to minimising the fallout of the Chaos ritual for us. As such, do you think it'd be worth adding a diplomacy action to request HWWO to ask the Planet Mind for us? It doesn't exactly cost us anything to try, so I don't really see the harm in doing that. Certainly, if there's not anything more urgent to do, then it might be a worthwhile filler action at least.
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well....I mean, it does cost us a diplo action....but yeah I think its reasonable/worth it to try. even if its only on a crit-success and only grants like a 1% resistance....that would be worth it.
(honestly, I had been thinking that it would be giving us chaos resistance the entire time already.....I mean, it clearly hates chaos as it has programmed all its creatures to hate chaos AND it seems to have given some/most/(all?) of its other creatures/projects resistance/immunity...so again, I'm really confused why it doesn't do this already?
why are we uniquely NOT getting chaos resistance? is there some kind of downside to it that we don't know about?
holy CRAP... what if its like the whole balance that bactaria have to "decide" on when it comes to immunity/resistance to anti-biotics and bactoiophases (virus's that exclusively target bactaria)...they can pick one or the other or somewhere inbetween, but CANNOT be immune to both.
if thats the case, WHAT THE CRAP is it more scared of then FRICKING CHAOS?
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Yeah, it does cost a diplomacy action, but I think 1 action in the next century or so is probably worth it just to see if it is possible or not. Like I said, I don't think it's urgent, but it's still worth doing, even if it's just a stab in the dark.well....I mean, it does cost us a diplo action....but yeah I think its reasonable/worth it to try. even if its only on a crit-success and only grants like a 1% resistance....that would be worth it.
(honestly, I had been thinking that it would be giving us chaos resistance the entire time already.....I mean, it clearly hates chaos as it has programmed all its creatures to hate chaos AND it has given some/most/(all?) of its other creatures/projects resistance/immunity...so again, I'm really confused why it doesn't do this already?
why are we uniquely NOT getting chaos resistance? is there some kind of downside to it that we don't know about?
holy CRAP... what if its like the whole balance that bactaria have to "decide" on when it comes to immunity/resistance to anti-biotics and bactoiophases (a bactaria targeting virus)...they can pick one or the other.
if thats the case, WHAT THE CRAP is it more scared of then FRICKING CHAOS?
The argument I suppose is that the threat of rogue psykers is yet another challenge we have to face to make us tougher. Of course, that ignores that planet is already enhancing us, by improving our physical abilities, and making the number and potency of our psykers greater.
Moreoever, it doesn't seem like any of the psychic species on Avernus have any problems with Chaos corruption or Daemonic possession at all. I suppose you can say that's evidence of their superior evolution and adaption to the planet, but then again it's the Planet Mind which is actually guiding the entire process of evolution and adaption anyway. It seems weird that it would basically throw us a unique challenge in that way.
Of course, I suppose it's possible that it is already doing something to help with that, but that the change is so slow and gradual compared to the other adaptions that we just haven't noticed. I certainly hope that it's not the case that it's a necessary evolutionary choice like you say, since that does seem a scary thought if there's potentially a worse option that mass daemonic possession and chaos corruption out there.
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alternatively, maybe resistance to chaos makes it harder to modify us in other ways...so maybe it does that last so it doesnt slow its own project down. (which implys that we can tell how close which creatures are to "complete" in the PM's mind based on its resistance to chaos and also that we are not even CLOSE to being done which makes sense).....but again.... maybe not.
can we tack on a secondary request to ask why it has not been giving us resistance already? (IE: what downside is there to chaos-resistance?)
can we tack on a secondary request to ask why it has not been giving us resistance already? (IE: what downside is there to chaos-resistance?)
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Honestly without actually knowing the rules for the planet and baring a massive threat I'm incredibly leery of asking it for anything. The planet is obviously constrained in a number of ways in how it interacts with the galaxy, and odds are very good there's a reason for that. I'd really rather avoid risking lifting the constraints in how it interacts with us for a reduction in Chaos corruption rates—while Chaos corruption is undoubtably nasty in many ways, it is far from a major threat to the human civilization on Avernus as stands. Hell, for all we know an 'artificial' Chaos resistance trait engineered in quickly will prevent and be inferior to what we would naturally develop over a millennia or so here.
Basically, outside of actual certain knowledge that there would be not significant net downsides or actual urgency I'm of the strong opinion that we should avoid poking the PM.
Basically, outside of actual certain knowledge that there would be not significant net downsides or actual urgency I'm of the strong opinion that we should avoid poking the PM.
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another valid point, but its basically just "we don't know enough" ...so maybe the best thing to poke the PM about is just plain information. that way we at least know what is being optimized for and then we can decide "hey, lets ask it to optimize for this instead"
the question tho is obviously WHAT should we ask since we obviously can't jusut spam it everything (I'm sure it would have told us alot more if it could/would-be-good)....(although its obvious OOC that durin doesn't want to give away the PM's purpose/nature)
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- Berkeley
I would be up for asking Vlad to inquire about what he can share with us about the planet mind, but not to directly poke it.
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- western US
I don't understand why we need to be so concerned about interacting with it
the worst I see happening is it ignores our request. cas its pretty clear that its not the kind of spiteful entity to start hateing/insta-gibbing us just for ASKING it things.
we have already proven that we can do so several times in the past and it has not responded negatively and in fact has accepted our request at least once that I recall.
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Well, the thing is that post Chaos ritual we can probably expect things to be pretty dire. Not quite the End Times, perhaps, but a huge spike in the frequency and severity of rogue psyker attacks, which could potentially wipe entire hives off the map. It's not necessarily going to wipe us out, as Dis is certainly well warded and defended, and we've invested a lot in improving our Psyker hunter capabilities, but it's still going to be a big challenge.
If the Planet Mind is restrained, I don't imagine that we'll be able to do anything to change it's behaviour. It's one of the last works of the Old Ones - it's utterly beyond us, and there's no way we can hack it, or anything like that. Similarly, if HWWO did think asking it was a massive problem, then I think he'd just refuse to do so.
As for the advantages of a natural long term change versus an immediate one - personally I doubt something like that would be the case. If it was already working on a trait like that, chances are it would just refuse our request with "I'm already on it, kiddo", or whatever a billion year old sapient planet would say. I also doubt that an immediate change would be less capable than a long term one, because the Planet Mind's abilities are practically infinite. It can create matter out of warp energy, and indeed actively does so. As a result, I doubt that genetic manipulation is really so difficult for it.
Even if a long term trait were superior, the fact it might take millennia to acquire would be arguably a lot less useful than a more immediate bonus. We're already embroiled in a galactic struggle against Chaos - lower rates of attrition would allow us to grow, expand, and develop a lot more quickly, and contribute a lot more to the fight. The struggle is already here - waiting around a couple of millennia for something better risks us getting wiped out in the meantime by an invasion of some sort, with us having been too weak to help turn the tide.
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with the new chaos ritual coming, alpha+'s very well might become as common as alphas are now...IE, that <1% might be a 1% every turn to prevent a hive from disappearing which is VERY worth something as cheap as a diplo action.
Shard
One and Many
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If Alpha+s become as common as Alphas it might be time to evacuate Avernus.
(It won't be that bad)
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well, lets just hope we get enough bonus's to chaos resistance+hunting betas/alphas+eco-bonus's that we can hold onto this planet.
cas I don't think its impossible to hold onto Avernus even then, keep in mind that the time we lost the hive (and almost another) was quite a while ago, and we have gotten quite a few bonus's to hunting them/preventing them since
I'm sure somebody could go and count them all up, but the big ones I'm thinking is the new witch hunter rank (I'm pretty sure we diden't have at least grandmaster, maybe even the one before), the new wards, our allies helping us and all the gear upgrades. as well as a 2ed rank in psyker gene research (I think)
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So did we ever get confirmation as to whether having Rids do some divination for Rotbart's Eldar assistance campaign would lower the odds of him dying?
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- western US
we already know that the answer is yes.
the question that was brought up to replace it tho is: "is it worth it"
since the goal is:
1): get minor favors
2): help the eldar
3): *maybe* get some experience (far behind 1 and 2 in importance).
its not really worth it to spend the divination like that.
The reason why is because we can get all three by just having rid's helping them with the divination directly instead of indirectly by ensuring the survival of rotbart as he does the helping.
so either we have rotbart help and/or rids help SOMETHING ELSE and get double favors, or just one of them...or neither.
trying to have rids help rotbart won't let us eat our cake and have it too.
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