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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- Lowton
[X] Plan Sustainable
Seriously, people, we need to at least rune Dis as much as we can. It's our biggest hive, with about a third of our population living in it, and a shitton of important stuff, including the Vault with our most important secrets in it. Protecting a third of our population for a bit more than 10% of a cost is a great deal.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
We should Basic Ward every city! We can afford it.
It's crazy to needlessly sacrifices Avernites to chaos psyker explosions. I say needless, because we can comfortably afford it. We lost enough people to fill 1.4 Major Cities this turn alone. We can take every non-Advanced Power Armour Option and not dig into even 1/2 of our AM/EM stockpile. That's how rich we are.
Hell, if we really want to do APA actions we can still do them. We just need to trade for more AM/EM. And going into debt? My trade plan cut our deficit by 1.8 Million, from 3 Million to 1.2 Million in debt. That's with importing 1,000,000 EM per year.
That amount of EM imports could be doubled and we yet would still see a Debt reduction.
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- Location
- USA
[X] Plan Basic (say goodbye to EM)
-[X] Runemaster Training
-[X] Basic Warding
--[X] Remaining Souls into Basic Wards Maintainence (Partially due to lack of Souls)
-[X] Runemaster Training
-[X] Basic Warding
--[X] Remaining Souls into Basic Wards Maintainence (Partially due to lack of Souls)
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Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
One problem with Simple Wards is that the investment will be lost when we upgrade to Basic.
As such, perhaps we could only put Basic Wards on selected hives such as Dis, the northern ones, and regional capitals instead? If warding all of them is too expensive. We could then finish the coverage later with another trade, once we have more EM to spare.
This would also synergise well with larger hives being significantly cheaper to ward per inhabitant.
As such, perhaps we could only put Basic Wards on selected hives such as Dis, the northern ones, and regional capitals instead? If warding all of them is too expensive. We could then finish the coverage later with another trade, once we have more EM to spare.
This would also synergise well with larger hives being significantly cheaper to ward per inhabitant.
- Location
- England
I'll happily vote for the compromise plan, but am heavily in favour of APA for the Helguard so can't back Shard.
The APA is enough of a level up for them to be true super elites, at least when they regain their experience. It will reduce casualties, boosting experience gain, and allow them to contend with super elite armies like those unstoppable Nobs we fought. We are deploying the best human army in the galaxy here, let's not under equip them.
Edit- it will probably also help a lot with rogue psykers.
The APA is enough of a level up for them to be true super elites, at least when they regain their experience. It will reduce casualties, boosting experience gain, and allow them to contend with super elite armies like those unstoppable Nobs we fought. We are deploying the best human army in the galaxy here, let's not under equip them.
Edit- it will probably also help a lot with rogue psykers.
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Plan Limited Spending is probably the closest thing you'll get to this that's still reasonably sustainable in terms of both soul and material maintenance. We'd be paying out for the Simple Ward maintenance out of our own stuff, but the wards on Dis and Cassarando would be covered by the soul trade.
Correction, wards on Cassarondo will have to be paid out of our pocket as well. Which costs about 18 million AM and 200k EM per turn, so not that much, if noticeable.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
If you want the APA, it can actually still be done next turn even with my plan. At the Imperial Trust Trade turn just buy tons of EM.
There's a nontrivial amount of flex for EM purchase, and doubling EM purchases would, all else equal, let Avernus to approximately exit debt. We can triple EM imports while still reducing debt.
We won't hit limit on Nilfheim trade?
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
We didn't buy anything from Nilfheim last trade. I'm serious. We can absolutely afford the maintenance of the Basic Wards.
We had room to buy twice as much EM on the last trade session, and if we had done that we would nonetheless still have reduced our debt by about 1 million credits (from 3 mil to 2 mil).
But we bought almost all EM from everyone else. Actually, looking at results, we're somehow buying more EM from Byzantium than they're selling, which I hope is a typo.
Oh, and we don't have a million Vanaheim credits anymore.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
We sold Vanaheim credits to the other polities. Muspelheim to be precise.
I don't know why previous trades we bought so many ships from Vanaheim.
- Location
- UK
It's worth bearing in mind that the upkeep costs would limit our ability to expand and build more cities and hives, which would in turn restrict our economic growth and future income.
I think it would be better to get Simple Wards in all our cities, with Basic and Banishment Wards in a handful of the most important/vulnerable. That would leave us with the ability to upgrade to Basic wards at a later date, whilst not constricting our growth too much in the meantime, and allowing us to afford other military improvements as well.
Yeh that is augmetic plan. Which I am considering but I am worried about costs since I want to do as much upgrading as possible during the time skip.
@Shard first we bought that many ships because Sarnow or the admiral at the time asked us. We needed to grow our fleet and it was much easier to buy them from Vanahiem than try to build our own since they had 24 times the ship building we did.
My opposition to your plan is I do not want to go more into debt more. We finally started to get out of it and not have to rely on imports to survive. I think we should go with simple wards for now than come back at a later date and get basic wards. Also you are assuming that there will be an em at the high council available. We have to rebuild the defenses on 8 worlds as well as upgrade dragons nest.
- Location
- USA
We're going to need to import lots of thrones next turn anyways costs hundreds of billions a turn to keep grand cathedral up
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Basic Wards would be the best option for our growth. Because they reduce the number of people dying to Chaos Psykers (We lost enough people to populate 1.4 Major Cities this turn alone). The only military improvement being restricted would be Advanced Power Armor. This option is essentially selecting Ward Cities: Basic. Except we don't have to pay the 27-year Telepathica option. It has immense fortification advantages. That's all before you consider daemonic incursions which are bound to happen at some point.
The additional soul-cost per Major City to Small Hive expansion is 10k souls, and we get 60k souls per year. It is not a concern.
We won't go (deeper) into debt, Nurgle! And this aversion to debt is just ludicrous!
We can double EM purchases as from the last trade are pretty much exit debt on the next trading turn.
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So because we need to import a lot of thrones, which cost no cargo space , we should buy as much am em as possible so we can go into debt?
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
We would need to import about quadruple of our EM imports from last trade to widen our debt instead of contracting it.
Please note our debt previous trade went from ~100% to ~40% while importing 1 million EM/Year.
Yeah, but the end result is that we're 1 million credits short of Vanaheim debt, despite selling them almost everything we could. We're not going to be able to do that again next trade.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
We absolutely can. We sold Vanaheim 1.5 Million worth of credits last trade.
And Muspelheim is in debt to us.