The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

[xXxBlueViperxXx]

Head of the Aethric concord and I am trying to get Sanguinus but Shard wants Phoenix Lords

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I would agree with sangunius I believe it would help more than bird research

 

[MonkeyTypewriter]

I'm pushing for the Sanginour obviously. What with it being the most powerful human aligned warp entity left. Also, it has an omake bonus.

 

[Nurgle]

I'm pushing for the Sanginour obviously. What with it being the most powerful human aligned warp entity left. Also, it has an omake bonus.

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He does not provide as much information as Sanguinus who give information on the curses, Sanguiner and what happen to Sanguinus.

 

[inverted_helix]

Self.

We should do the Self. Its a centre of Willpower.

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For what it's worth I have to back this one. Most of the nature of actions haven't really given us all that much that's actionable. I expect the ones about lesser gods to be basically just interesting but not useful information.

Researching Willpower could let us learn how to increase it. An education regime designed to give the general population +1 piety would reduce our population's tendency to fall to Chaos, which could reduce our cultist and rogue psyker numbers.

Even if the odds of success are lower than other choices, the potential rewards are far higher.

 

[Shard]

For what it's worth I have to back this one. Most of the nature of actions haven't really given us all that much that's actionable. I expect the ones about lesser gods to be basically just interesting but not useful information.

Researching Willpower could let us learn how to increase it. An education regime designed to give the general population +1 piety would reduce our population's tendency to fall to Chaos, which could reduce our cultist and rogue psyker numbers.

Even if the odds of success are lower than other choices, the potential rewards are far higher.

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IIRC There are also 'low' success chance ones like 'psykers', 'transcendence'.

 

[MonkeyTypewriter]

For what it's worth I have to back this one. Most of the nature of actions haven't really given us all that much that's actionable. I expect the ones about lesser gods to be basically just interesting but not useful information.

Researching Willpower could let us learn how to increase it. An education regime designed to give the general population +1 piety would reduce our population's tendency to fall to Chaos, which could reduce our cultist and rogue psyker numbers.

Even if the odds of success are lower than other choices, the potential rewards are far higher.

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I have to disagree strongly. In my view there are very few things more actionable than the minor gods, and especially the Sanginour.

For the sake of argument, lets assume two things:
1. The Sanginour isn't secretly holding the soul of a primarch, his blood can't be used as a catalyst to create trueborn, can't design a ritual to link Astropaths, can't take ownership of the galaxy wide 10000+ years of worship of Sanguinius which really should have made a religious god long before now and become a force on par with a Phoenix Avatar. Basically, all the potential stretch goals fall through and he can't use the fact that he ascended by taking the place of Sanginous to engage in shenanigans.
2. He is, however, a relatively "normal" ascended god, and most relevantly he can use the power of faith.

Now, its time for some math: A sector of worshipers is apparently the minimum required to sustain a religious god. Next, the combined size of the big 3 human realms is 442 sectors. Count the Trust+Nest as 3 sectors thanks to our population density and absurd number of psykers, and assume the tech transfer resulted in a 25% increase in population (which is what actually generates faith), and you get 555.5 sectors. Furthermore, lets assume the revelation of The Sanginour's nature leads to him being declared a very important saint among these worlds. He is in fact so important that a full 2% of the faith juice created by these worlds is sent his way, with the other 98% being sent to the sleeping emperor. Or in other words, the equivalent of 11 sectors.

Its not unreasonable to assume that he'd increase in strength significantly, enough so that his powers could increase the long term population of Humanity by 1% or more (by for example backing up Guilliman when Chaos inevitably tries to gank him again). Thus increasing the Emperor's long term faith reserves anyway. You have to spend money to make money, after all.

@Durin
1. Do we have any idea why a religious god based on Sanguinius never appeared? My understanding is that as arguably the second most revered figure in the entire Imperium with his own holiday Sanguinala, there's more than enough faith going around.
2. How irritated would Lin be if Robart tried to spreadsheet the faith economy?

 

[Durin]

@Durin would toneing down to just having relatively simple summoning rituals work? Assuming the power cost was no lower. or should I just remove the easier to summon thing entirely?

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yes making it simple works

 

[Durin]

I have to disagree strongly. In my view there are very few things more actionable than the minor gods, and especially the Sanginour.

For the sake of argument, lets assume two things:
1. The Sanginour isn't secretly holding the soul of a primarch, his blood can't be used as a catalyst to create trueborn, can't design a ritual to link Astropaths, can't take ownership of the galaxy wide 10000+ years of worship of Sanguinius which really should have made a religious god long before now and become a force on par with a Phoenix Avatar. Basically, all the potential stretch goals fall through and he can't use the fact that he ascended by taking the place of Sanginous to engage in shenanigans.
2. He is, however, a relatively "normal" ascended god, and most relevantly he can use the power of faith.

Now, its time for some math: A sector of worshipers is apparently the minimum required to sustain a religious god. Next, the combined size of the big 3 human realms is 442 sectors. Count the Trust+Nest as 3 sectors thanks to our population density and absurd number of psykers, and assume the tech transfer resulted in a 25% increase in population (which is what actually generates faith), and you get 555.5 sectors. Furthermore, lets assume the revelation of The Sanginour's nature leads to him being declared a very important saint among these worlds. He is in fact so important that a full 2% of the faith juice created by these worlds is sent his way, with the other 98% being sent to the sleeping emperor. Or in other words, the equivalent of 11 sectors.

Its not unreasonable to assume that he'd increase in strength significantly, enough so that his powers could increase the long term population of Humanity by 1% or more (by for example backing up Guilliman when Chaos inevitably tries to gank him again). Thus increasing the Emperor's long term faith reserves anyway. You have to spend money to make money, after all.

@Durin
1. Do we have any idea why a religious god based on Sanguinius never appeared? My understanding is that as arguably the second most revered figure in the entire Imperium with his own holiday Sanguinala, there's more than enough faith going around.
2. How irritated would Lin be if Robart tried to spreadsheet the faith economy?

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1. most likely any such gods forming were eaten by chaos like 99.999% of all other forming gods
2. not to much

 

[notanautomaton]

2. not to much

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Have you seen Rids' Admin? His spreadsheet would drive people insane.

 

[HanEmpire]

@Durin:
1) can we form an "Order of Housing" or something and have them automatically expand our Psyker Quarters?
1.5) can that order also expand the Psyker Cities?
2) does this degrade the quality of our Psyker Cities/Quarters when compared to the expansion projects completed under the Heroic Primaris?

 

[random_npc]

yes making it simple works

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@Durin and done. the section about calling them now reads

As creatures of boundaries, they are somewhat easier to summon than could be expected. While the amount of power needed is typical for such creatures, the rituals themselves tend to be surprisingly simple. They are, however, extraordinarily difficult to bind.

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[Durin]

@Durin:
1) can we form an "Order of Housing" or something and have them automatically expand our Psyker Quarters?
1.5) can that order also expand the Psyker Cities?
2) does this degrade the quality of our Psyker Cities/Quarters when compared to the expansion projects completed under the Heroic Primaris?

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1. no but you can move expansion into admin
1.5. ditto
2. no

 

[Dynamesmouse]

I think it was said that an order of construction was viable, namely using a bunch if telekines to boost construction speed. I wonder if such an order could also let the admin do the Twlepathica's expansion for them.

 

[sabreFather]

Have you seen Rids' Admin? His spreadsheet would drive people insane.

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It's actually worse than that. His personal assistant, Zeno, once had a level of sanity that screamed "how has he not fallen!?". After reading Ridcully's "reports", he was driven sane. Driving someone sane is far harder than driving them insane.

 

[Enjou]

Alright, here's a plan that some folks came up with.

[X] Plan Gleardjou T134

Munitorum
SLOT A (3 Years)
-Y3: Power Armoured PDF: Troopers
SLOT B (2 Years)
-Y4: Power Armoured PDF: Scout

Void Command
SLOT A (4 Years)
-Y2: Gravatic Sensors: Heavy
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 2
SLOT B (3 Years)
-Y3: Combine Shipyards: Huge
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 3

Administratum
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: Underground Railways: Tarascon
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1

SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Expand (Waset) to Small Hive

Diplomacy
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1-Y2: Operation Hecatoncheir: Eldar Targeting
-Y3: Request (Notify Corax about the upcoming attempt to heal his brother and request his help.)
-Y4: Request (Ask the Ancient One if he can shadow Saint Lin for a few years because we worry an incursion may arrive.)
-Y5: Trade (10 RM per year for 50 billion thrones per year. )

Arbites
SLOT A (5 Years)
Y1-Y5: Greater Psyker Hunting
-SLOT B (5 Years)
Y1-Y5: Counterintelligence
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR YEAR 4

Mechanicus
SLOT A (3 Years, Free)
-Y3: Grand Cathedral of the Machine-God: Mag Mell

Ministorum
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: The Nature of (Zahhak)
-- REDO NATURE OF CURSES IF THAT FAILS
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y5: Making it Stick
SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Nature of (Sanguinius)

Telepathica
SLOT A (4 Years, Rids)
-Y2: Research: (Nurgle) Destructive Resonances
SLOT B (1 Years, Tamia)
-Y5: Research: (Chaos) Destructive Resonances
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT C (3 Years, Aria)
-Y3: Expand Unseen University
SLOT D (5 Years, Xavier)
-Y1: Research (Shrine Fairies)
-Y2: Anti-Slaneesh Powers: Countering
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
SLOT E (Free Greater Divination)
-Y?: Greater Divination (Assist Operation Hetaconcheir)

Personal
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: Promotion (Samantha Khol)
-Y2-Y5: Operation Hetaconcheir
SLOT B (5 Years)
-Y1-Y2: Spend time with Saint Lin
-Y3: Personal Attention (Educational Reforms Part 3)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
SLOT C (5 Years)
-Y1: Construction Expertise (Expand and Downgrade, Annwn)

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Ministorum
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: The Nature of (Zahhak)
--DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y5: Making it Stick

SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Nature of (Phoenix Lords)

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I'd really recommend changing one of these to the Nature of Will so we can get that sweet sweet willpower bonuses.

-Y3-Y4: Lizardmen Diplomacy (Both) - Renegotiate Trade Deal

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-Y5: Trade( Trade 10 relic for Thrones to the Trust)

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I'd also really recommend dropping one of these to ask the Ancient One to go kill orks for the Krork since he can restart their expansion.

In fact I'd recommend dropping the lizardmen completely so we can ask the Ancient One and inform Corvus. We can renegociate the deal later.

Otherwise plan seems good.

 

[MonkeyTypewriter]

[X] Plan On Point T134

Munitorum
SLOT A (3 Years)
-Y3: Ration Pills
SLOT B (2 Years)
-Y4: Special Issue Impalers

Void Command
SLOT A (4 Years)
-Y2: Gravatic Sensors: Heavy
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 2
SLOT B (3 Years)
-Y3: Combine Shipyards: Huge
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 3

Administratum
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: Underground Railways: Tarascon
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1

SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Expand (Waset) to Small Hive

Diplomacy
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1-Y2: Operation Hecatoncheir: Eldar Targeting
-Y3-Y4: Lizardmen Diplomacy (Both) - Renegotiate Trade Deal
-Y5: Trade( Trade 10 relic for Thrones to the Trust)

Arbites
SLOT A (5 Years)
Y1-Y5: Greater Psyker Hunting
-SLOT B (5 Years)
Y1-Y5: Counterintelligence
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR YEAR 4

Mechanicus
SLOT A (3 Years, Free)
-Y3: Grand Cathedral of the Machine-God: Mag Mell

Ministorum
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: The Nature of (Zahhak)
--DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y5: Making it Stick

SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Nature of (Sanginour)

Telepathica
SLOT A (4 Years, Rids)
-Y2: Divine Attacks
-Y3: Research: (Nurgle) Destructive Resonances
SLOT B (1 Years, Tamia)
-Y5: Research: (Chaos) Destructive Resonances
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT C (3 Years, Aria)
-Y3: Expand Unseen University
SLOT D (5 Years, Xavier)
-Y1: Research (Shrine Fairies)
-Y2: Anti-Slaneesh Powers: Countering
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
SLOT E (Free Greater Divination)
-Y?: Greater Divination (Assist Operation Hetaconcheir)

Personal
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: Promotion (Samantha Khol)
-Y2-Y5: Operation Hetaconcheir
SLOT B (5 Years)
-Y1-Y2: Spend time with Saint Lin
-Y3: Personal Attention (Educational Reforms Part 3)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
SLOT C (5 Years)
-Y1: Construction Expertise (Expand and Downgrade, Annwn)

 

[huntsman0697]

@Nurgle @Shard
Why not some of the power armor options? Those would help way more than ration pills or special impalers.

 

[Andres]

@Enjou

Telepathica
SLOT A (4 Years, Rids)
-Y2: Research: (Nurgle) Destructive Resonances
SLOT B (1 Years, Tamia)
-Y5: Research: (Chaos) Destructive Resonances
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT C (3 Years, Aria)
-Y3: Expand Unseen University
SLOT D (5 Years, Xavier)
-Y1: Research (Shrine Fairies)
-Y2: Anti-Slaneesh Powers: Countering
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
SLOT E (Free Greater Divination)
-Y?: Greater Divination (Assist Operation Hetaconcheir)

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Firstly, and this is the most important thing, but please do an early Divination: Attacks to scan for threats to Saint Lin's life. His death is getting closer and closer and so is any potential Abomination attack. We need to know of any attack so we can get Lin out of the way before it happens. This is absolutely crucial.

Personal
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: Promotion (Samantha Khol)
-Y2-Y5: Operation Hetaconcheir
SLOT B (5 Years)
-Y1-Y2: Spend time with Saint Lin
-Y3: Personal Attention (Educational Reforms Part 3)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
SLOT C (5 Years)
-Y1: Construction Expertise (Expand and Downgrade, Annwn)

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I think you should use one of these actions to integrate those ion defence systems into our ships. They'll be very good for fighting boarders, so they'll be great versus the tyranids.

SLOT A (4 Years, Rids)
-Y2: Research: (Nurgle) Destructive Resonances
SLOT B (1 Years, Tamia)
-Y5: Research: (Chaos) Destructive Resonances
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5

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Given the difficulty and risk of Chaos destructive resonances, I think that Ridcully should do it if possible, even if it has to be done before the Nurgle destructive resonances.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

-Y3-Y4: Lizardmen Diplomacy (Both) - Renegotiate Trade Deal
-Y5: Trade( Trade 10 relic for Thrones to the Trust)

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-Y1: The Nature of (Zahhak)
--DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y5: Making it Stick

SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Nature of (Sanginour)

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Same problems as above, renegociating the trade deal is far from this important, and will power is more relevant than to us than most other things at this stage.

 

[MonkeyTypewriter]

Same problems as above, renegociating the trade deal is far from this important, and will power is more relevant than to us than most other things at this stage.

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I happen to disagree with willpower, though I'd be reluctantly willing to drop Zahhak if it got Sanginour over the line. Frankly, the phoenix avatar's are a massive waste of time since the Eldar have the entire black library to help them understand their new forms.

 

[Nurgle]

[X] Plan Gleardjou T134

 

[xXxBlueViperxXx]

If we went for Sanguinius/ sanguine or will power I would vote for that plan rather than Zahhak and Phoenix lords.
I believe these options would be better than those present now

 

[Doomed Wombat]

I happen to disagree with willpower, though I'd be reluctantly willing to drop Zahhak if it got Sanginour over the line. Frankly, the phoenix avatar's are a massive waste of time since the Eldar have the entire black library to help them understand their new forms.

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Why is increasing our front line against chaos as well as a major component of pushing people to gain new traits something you disagree with?

 

[MonkeyTypewriter]

Why is increasing our front line against chaos as well as a major component of pushing people to gain new traits something you disagree with?

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Because wanted to investigate non-eldar aligned potentially friendly warp entities for the better part of a year and a half, since I happen to think that they are immensely useful.