The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Is there any particular reason why the Eldar wouldn't want to try and resurrect Khaine? Is it only the circumstances of Khaine's rebirth they object to, or is there another reason?

I'd have thought that Khaine might be able to tag team Slaanesh with Ynnead quite effectively, and would probably be able to distract Nurgle and enable Isha's rescue as well.
Almost certainly a matter of circumstances. Having 888 of them as part of the ritual, while deamons of Khorne are trying to get in seems rather like a recipe for disaster.
 
Is there any particular reason why the Eldar wouldn't want to try and resurrect Khaine? Is it only the circumstances of Khaine's rebirth they object to, or is there another reason?

I'd have thought that Khaine might be able to tag team Slaanesh with Ynnead quite effectively, and would probably be able to distract Nurgle and enable Isha's rescue as well.
Khaine is a asshole is the short answer. He is th embodiment of murder and war for the Eldar. And is the villain in most of the Eldar legends becaus eof his blood lust. The Incubi the best/worse warriors of the dark Eldar follow his traditional ways.
 
Is there any particular reason why the Eldar wouldn't want to try and resurrect Khaine? Is it only the circumstances of Khaine's rebirth they object to, or is there another reason?

I'd have thought that Khaine might be able to tag team Slaanesh with Ynnead quite effectively, and would probably be able to distract Nurgle and enable Isha's rescue as well.
To add to all of the below, even if Khaine was restored and tried to tag team a chaos god with Ynnead they'd just get squished.

They ain't that strong.
 
Khaine is a asshole is the short answer. He is th embodiment of murder and war for the Eldar. And is the villain in most of the Eldar legends becaus eof his blood lust. The Incubi the best/worse warriors of the dark Eldar follow his traditional ways.
Keep in mind that he has been thought of as the protector as the Eldar for 10.000 Years though.
He who gave his life defending them from Slaanesh and whose avatars were the last line of defence in a thousand desperate fights since then.

I suspect that changes a god.
 
Keep in mind that he has been thought of as the protector as the Eldar for 10.000 Years though.
He who gave his life defending them from Slaanesh and whose avatars were the last line of defence in a thousand desperate fights since then.

I suspect that changes a god.
We can hope, but remember he's a created god. Might be extremely hard to change him vs a regular religious god.
 
Keep in mind that he has been thought of as the protector as the Eldar for 10.000 Years though.
He who gave his life defending them from Slaanesh and whose avatars were the last line of defence in a thousand desperate fights since then.

I suspect that changes a god.
Yes but he spent 10's of millions of years being a asshole. He is responsible for a lot of murder and war.
 
Keep in mind that he has been thought of as the protector as the Eldar for 10.000 Years though.
He who gave his life defending them from Slaanesh and whose avatars were the last line of defence in a thousand desperate fights since then.

I suspect that changes a god.
Hopefully, because in Eldar mythology Khorne has done things that makes Khorne seem like a pretty chill dude by comparison.
 
We can hope, but remember he's a created god. Might be extremely hard to change him vs a regular religious god.
Yes but he spent 10's of millions of years being a asshole. He is responsible for a lot of murder and war.
He died though.
A newborn Khaine, meant to be the Protector of the Eldar, not the Bloody Handed One could be very different.

I guess it all depends on how well the Phoenix Lords do in this critical moment.
In my opinion the last 10 millenia have layed the foundation for a potentially very good outcome, with stories of a Khaine that is both good and very powerful in the Materium through his relativly easy manifestation.

Edit: Not unlike the preparation for Ynnead, though less focussed.
 
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Don't get me wrong Khaine would be a huge help. Arhra founded the Incubi to worship Khaine and make sacrifices to him. Khaine is a powerful god and if reformed would a huge help. Again god of murder and war. The thing is his actions he is evil mass murder.
 
Keep in mind that he has been thought of as the protector as the Eldar for 10.000 Years though.
He who gave his life defending them from Slaanesh and whose avatars were the last line of defence in a thousand desperate fights since then.

I suspect that changes a god.
IIRC there were some Eldar who believed that if Khaine didn't screw everything up then the Eldar gods wouldn't have been nomm'ed by Slaneesh. He can be said to be a major part of the decline and Fall of the Eldar race.
 
Don't get me wrong Khaine would be a huge help. Arhra founded the Incubi to worship Khaine and make sacrifices to him. Khaine is a powerful god and if reformed would a huge help. Again god of murder and war. The thing is his actions he is evil mass murder.
Yes, if things work out well enough for the Eldar the chances of getting a Rescue attempt for Isha in Lin's lifetime skyrockets, if not the chances drops to almost zero.
 
IIRC there were some Eldar who believed that if Khaine didn't screw everything up then the Eldar gods wouldn't have been nomm'ed by Slaneesh. He can be said to be a major part of the decline and Fall of the Eldar race.
Pretty sure that's wrong.
I don't mean you are wrong, but the Eldar in question.

Slaanesh was the Eldar's own fault and he was certainly not a god of decadence who pushed them closer to creating her/him.
At most his action have weakened the Eldar Pantheon, but a straight fight with the newborn Chaosgod was never winnable anyway, so in that regard his action matter little.
 
Slaanesh was the Eldar's own fault and he was certainly not a god of decadence who pushed them closer to creating her/him.
At most his action have weakened the Eldar Pantheon, but a straight fight with the newborn Chaosgod was never winnable anyway, so in that regard his action matter little.
If you take canon as accurate, his action caused Asuryan to impose the decree which separated god and mortal, eventually leading to Eldar not really believing in their gods, because their gods were not exactly around. Then there was the whole conflict between him and Vaul which weakened the Eldar even more. Most importantly because of the decree the Eldar Gods could do little to avert Slaneesh being born. Because they are barred from intervening in mortal affairs due to the whole Khaine bruhaha.
 
If you take canon as accurate, his action caused Asuryan to impose the decree which separated god and mortal, eventually leading to Eldar not really believing in their gods, because their gods were not exactly around. Then there was the whole conflict between him and Vaul which weakened the Eldar even more. Most importantly because of the decree the Eldar Gods could do little to avert Slaneesh being born. Because they are barred from intervening in mortal affairs due to the whole Khaine bruhaha.
Does this mean Slaanesh might call Khaine daddy?
 
I just got around to reading the actual plan that everyone voted for. It's unfortunate that we didn't have time to get the Avernite Heroes involved in the Arha business. Should we have positioned their actions earlier in the turn? Though we had no idea things would get out of control so fast.

um...woulden't we want nurgle distracted AFTER the eldar can bring back their super-guys?

right now the eldar are at least as distracted from getting to isha as nurgle/his guards would be by that omake's events.
On the plus side, don't gods get a temporary power boost when they form? So if Khaine is uncorrupted he might be riding high off of his reformation and looking for murderous feats worthy of him to go achieve. (From Murder comes life? Sounds applicable to this age of conflict)
 
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It's unfortunate that we didn't have time to get the Avernite Heroes involved in the Arha business. Should we have positioned their actions earlier in the turn? Though we had no idea things would get out of control so fast.

Avernite heroes have no place in that fight.

12 Transcendant Eldar are going to be fighting 3 Exalted Greater Demons (minor Gods). Compared to that, those heroes are mere pinpricks.
 
It was to get Areatha and HWWO so more transcendents, none of our dudes we'd be squashed like bugs if we tried.
I doubt Areatha or HWWO would be able to contribute to that fight. Transcendent control psyker and stealth against khornate exalted? Way, way, way too risky and I doubt HWWO would agree regardless. Now if the plan was to have HWWO sneak in and nab a shard or two of Khaine? That sounds way more likely.
 
I doubt Areatha or HWWO would be able to contribute to that fight. Transcendent control psyker and stealth against khornate exalted? Way, way, way too risky and I doubt HWWO would agree regardless. Now if the plan was to have HWWO sneak in and nab a shard or two of Khaine? That sounds way more likely.
Areatha probably wouldn't have been great, Khornate Exalted is her worst match up, if it had been any other god, but HWWO earned his transcendence assassinating an Exalted in the warp.

I'd not be surprised if he could do quite a lot.
 
Khornates are only a part of the problem. There are also armies of Incubi. Areatha would be useful there.

Alas, too late.
 
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