Remove ads

The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
Reader mode
Briefvoice said:
I'm sure he meant "moving towards a tragic ending" rather than "badly written".
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Doomed Wombat said:
Yeah, 40K is in many ways a tragedy and I like trying to fix tragedies.

I like the idea of the world half full and us trying to fill it.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I already pointed out that Durin most likely gave us multiple ways to win as shown with the fact that Durin was surprised that we got the Sea option so early. Besides that as I also pointed out there are other ways we could help the galaxy along with other avenues of research. Hell, we have in fact already made a ton of positive changes to the galaxy from helping the Eldar with their fertility problem and helping with Rids divination to the tech trade which is most definitely going to be useful to Quartus in their coming troubles to Lin's anti chaos research. And note if we had done something like the Sea and failed utterly we wouldn't have been able to help the galaxy in the way we have.

In fact for the people keep saying this can help they also seem to ignore the fact that doing the sea could also make things worse. For gods sake this is the same thing that created the Chaos Gods and if people have forgotten the Eldar birthing Slaanesh caused the Eye of terror along with both the collapse of Eldar civilization and played a major hand in the Age of Strife while humanity birthing the Abomination caused most of humanity to fall to chaos.

And people want to risk something equally as bad which would likely make things far worse when things are already pretty bad instead of looking into other ways to help that won't potentially endanger the galaxy if we fuck up like the Eldar and Humanity when it came to chaos.
ilbgar123 said:
In regards to the Sea. Given it drove Chaos insane and it essentially the source of their memetic hazards, I suspect a success, even a bare one, will let Lin make a new Book. One about resisting corruption. Simply reading it enough to give even the weakest-willed resistance to corruption.

It sounds an awful lot like Durin's adapted Nex for his story.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
We don't know what we are getting and Durin has stated at best what we would be getting is of equal value to the risk and that is again at best and we don't actually have any idea to what we could be getting. Worse people don't seem to consider just putting off the sea to see if we can't more safely research it in the future since we weren't meant to find it so early or at least when we can the consequences for failing aren't as bad as they are now.

As is there are likely a ton of things that Lin can look into that can also help in the future.
 
Last edited:
Red Bovine said:
And people want to risk something equally as bad which would likely make things far worse when things are already pretty bad instead of looking into other ways to help that won't potentially endanger the galaxy if we fuck up like the Eldar and Humanity when it came to chaos.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
And I agree that we shouldn't take that risk, but equally I can see why people want to, not only because its tempting, but because for all the good things we've done it feels like we're not doing nearly enough and in many way's we're not.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
And I agree that we shouldn't take that risk, but equally I can see why people want to, not only because its tempting, but because for all the good things we've done it feels like we're not doing nearly enough and in many way's we're not.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The thing is we can't. We lack the resources and numbers to do anything. If or when a major power decides to stop on us we will die unless we use the honorbound favor. The thing is that the Eldar are being stretched to the breaking point.
 
Last edited:
Nurgle said:
The thing is we can't. We lack the resources and. Umbers to do anything. If or when a major power decides to stop on us we will die unless we use the honorbound favor. The thing is that the Eldar are being stretched to the breaking point.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Presumably why so many people feel pressed to help out in the ways we can actually do things.

Stuff like the blackships, Lin actions Rid divinations are ways we can help, even if we can't in conventional manners. Hence part of why Lin and the sea are likely so tempting.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
And I agree that we shouldn't take that risk, but equally I can see why people want to, not only because its tempting, but because for all the good things we've done it feels like we're not doing nearly enough and in many way's we're not.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Honestly, if we're really assessing the amount of good we've done and whether we've done enough, we've punched massively above our weight class there in quite two ways.

1. Ridcully reaching the door that Isha was behind and returning with her instructions has quite possibly saved the Empire of Ashes Eldar as a faction. Because of that, they're able to have meaningful population growth, so over time the Eldar will be able to do more and more for the galaxy.

2. The Grand Conclave was our idea and happened because we had the Eldar arrange it for us. This gave the three sane human factions left in the galaxy a massive tech boost, which in time will make them massively more powerful. That action alone may well end up saving humanity. Seriously, we got a trait for this that said that the Grand Conclave was perhaps the most influential diplomatic meeting of the millennium, which isn't an exaggeration given the long term effects of its outcome. But it doesn't stop there, because they've agreed to keep sharing tech and intelligence, and they'll get other benefits like Jane's cult hunting books and Lin's writings on detecting Chaos.

Just from those two actions, we have shifted the odds of the forces of sanity winning in the end greatly. And this is by a polity that doesn't even control a full sector.

We're also doing things like helping the Eldar out through divinations (granted for favors, but on balance they're able to give us those favors because they're not so busy due to our help), as well as the other factions. These actions are individually small, but combined they can start to have galaxy spanning repercussions.
 
Enjou said:
We're also doing things like helping the Eldar out through divinations (granted for favors, but on balance they're able to give us those favors because they're not so busy due to our help), as well as the other factions. These actions are individually small, but combined they can start to have galaxy spanning repercussions.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Oh I know that I really know that, but even then it feels like we're only just treading water.

That instead of being insta screwed instead we've instead prolonged things a little.

I am well aware of the magnitude of what we've done, hell look what we intend to do now with trying to preemptively stop Ahara in part to stop a new apocalypse threat and in part to get a rescue attempt on one of the most important beings in the galaxy.

We're doing big things massively above where we should be, but it still feels small you know in the grand scheme of things.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Presumably why so many people feel pressed to help out in the ways we can actually do things.

Stuff like the blackships, Lin actions Rid divinations are ways we can help, even if we can't in conventional manners. Hence part of why Lin and the sea are likely so tempting.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The thing is we have already done galaxy changing actions. Ridicully contact Isha and giving the Eldar population growth. The Grand conclave which will allow the 3 most powerful human factions to boost thier tech. Also maybe the Tau since they like to steal human tech. We have and will continue to do good but really it's like a technology advance Isle of Mann trying to win world war 2. Sure the major powers are happy but we really can't do more than what we are doing.
 
Nurgle said:
The thing is we have already done galaxy changing actions. Ridicully contact Isha and giving the Eldar population growth. The Grand conclave which will allow the 3 most powerful human factions to boost thier tech. Also maybe the Tau since they like to steal human tech. We have and will continue to do good but really it's like a technology advance Isle of Mann trying to win world war 2. Sure the major powers are happy but we really can't do more than what we are doing.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
But, we can theoretically.

Heck look what we're trying to do now.

I think that in part is what people are after the idea that we are actually having an impact or at least one that matters.
 
@Durin
1 if we learn all the chaos Frequencies could that help heal Guiliman?
2 do we know of anything on Avernus that could help Saint Lin heal papa smurf?
3. If Ridicully knows all the chaos frequencies can he also help.
4 can we try with shear psyker power to help papa smurf?
 
Nurgle said:
@Durin
1 if we learn all the chaos Frequencies could that help heal Guiliman?
2 do we know of anything on Avernus that could help Saint Lin heal papa smurf?
3. If Ridicully knows all the chaos frequencies can he also help.
4 can we try with shear psyker power to help papa smurf?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
1. Maybe
2. No
3. No
4. No, for healing all, is far more important then power
 
@Durin Would it be possible to redirect some of the Nids with Rids help to some of Nurgle's more valuable locations to maybe give an opening to rescue Isha?

Seeing as the Nids are practically everywhere in the galaxy this kind of stunt doesnt' seem like it would arouse his suspicions especially considering the sane polities are also getting hit bt the Nids pretty hard as well.
 
@Durin
1 Have any of our new Thunder Warriors disappeared?
1b Has HHWO admitted that he stole them?
2 Are any of our super-soldier upgrades things that could theoretically be applied to non-humans? (Example: Phase Tiger Thunder Warriors)
3 Has any of the speaking wildlife commented on the increasing urbanisation of human inhabited regions?
4 Do Sky Dragons stealth things they carry / people riding them?
 
@Durin
1. Have the Eldar figured out what happened to the souls of Eldanesh and Ulthanesh?
2. Or their body's for that matter. There are very few existences suitable to be the mortal vessel of Kaela Mensha Khaine, after all.
3. Would the Eldar be able to provide some sort of artifact that allows a secure line of communication between the Dragon's Nest and the Trust? (Or between the Trust and Karnas, or any other polity in the immediate area)
4. If so, what would be the price per "line"?
 
Red Bovine said:
@Durin Would it be possible to redirect some of the Nids with Rids help to some of Nurgle's more valuable locations to maybe give an opening to rescue Isha?

Seeing as the Nids are practically everywhere in the galaxy this kind of stunt doesnt' seem like it would arouse his suspicions especially considering the sane polities are also getting hit bt the Nids pretty hard as well.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
IIRC they were throwing both the T4 Waaagh and all the Tyranid splinter fleets that they could towards Vect.

The second part of their plan was to make Slaanesh believe that Nurgle was the one who threw those things to his new champion, that way Slaanesh would attack Nurgle and create the opening needed to rescue Isha.
 
By the way, we can have Ridcully try to screw around with Nurgle. This might speed up the Isha rescue. (Q: Can we have Ridcully take actions to help distract Nurgle (ie redirecting one of those living metal Nid fleets into his domains)? If so, how risky is it? A: you could, mid risk chance of failure, low but existant chance that Nurgles forces spot what he is doing) However, with the way I phrased it, I'm not sure how hard directing that kind of Tyranid is.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top