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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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Nurgle said:
Durin was not clear but new actions I think. He is asleep right now.

But like the Baron with knights sending Alonf would have a higher success rate because he is a rogue trader.
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We need a clear answer to this stuff because right now we know very little about just what the trader gets us. For actions having an extra action slot is better even with us running close to the limits of our income. A new action line when we already have so much to do is a waste.

I edited my last post as to why the Trader is not enough to do what you want. Also the Baron is both faster to make them and faster to get them up to the high standards. It might be the difference between having the Psy-Knights ready for our next war and them not being trained and deployable by then. Because let's be honest we are going to get into a war again eventually. As for him being a Rouge Trader making things easier this House has been operating in the Dragon's Nest for most of this time because of how dangerous it is to leave. We have ex-traders in the Trust already they are the ones leading our scout fleets so he is not that necessary for that. Also at this point no one will care about them being Rogue Traders because that is mostly meaningless now.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Kolekzionera on Mar 4, 2019 at 10:16 AM, finished with 589 posts and 75 votes.
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[X] Marry Alfons Uberti of the Uberti Dynasty- best admin by far, close ties with Uberti Rogue Trader Dynasty of Dragon's Nest, political ties with Dragon's Nest.

Sorry folks, I just find this one more interesting than the knight.

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[X] Marry Baron Sigmund 'The Defiant' of the Aesir- best combat, decent Martial, allows formation of Knight House on Avernus.
 
i'm somewhat unsure who to vote fore. I honestly think Alfons is probably the better match in terms of overall benefit, but while sigmund gives less overall boots the boost he does give is aimed squarely at making us better at our niche of providing elite and super elite units, and there is value in leaning heavily into our niche.
 
agumentic said:
13 is not piss low. Our vizer has 16, one of our marshals has 17, Sarnow and Richards have 18. 13 is lower, but not by a lot.

Edit: And it's not even 13, it's 14.
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All of those people have been tested in one if not both daemonic incursions. That is why it is not so bad for them. Of the 4 options only the Baron has been tested the others are untested and a risk.
 
Adventwolf said:
All of those people have been tested in one if not both daemonic incursions. That is why it is not so bad for them. Of the 4 options only the Baron has been tested the others are untested and a risk.
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So the person with 8 piety who got tested in a daemonic incursion gets a free pass, but the one who has 14 doesn't.

Yes that logic makes total sense except it doesn't.
 
random_npc said:
i'm somewhat unsure who to vote fore. I honestly think Alfons is probably the better match in terms of overall benefit, but while sigmund gives less overall boots the boost he does give is aimed squarely at making us better at our niche of providing elite and super elite units, and there is value in leaning heavily into our niche.
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I thoughts so too for the Baron but than well the thing is Asgard would be better to train psyker titans. They have thousands of years training people how to fight in knights. All they lack is the Delta psykers which we or two others could provide. Also Avernus niche is large amount of elite infantry.
 
Nurgle said:
I thoughts so too for the Baron but than well the thing is Asgard would be better to train psyker titans. They have thousands of years training people how to fight in knights. All they lack is the Delta psykers which we or two others could provide. Also Avernus niche is large amount of elite infantry.
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I honestly see our role as a bit more broad than infantry, I see our niche as more force concentration. Producing knights with the death world bonus would likely help with that to at least some extent. If nothing else, i suspect having local forces to act as backup for our psy knights would make things much simpler. As for having asgaurd train our psy knigts, its an option. Durin did say over time the difference between having Sigmund help with the program and not would even out. though another thing to consider is that we are going to have a few heros who need to get trained in knights, and having Sigmund around may well help with that.

I suspect he would make a bumpy pivot to elite knights and infantry a lot less bumpy, as well as letting us lean a lot more into knight production, opening up more options for how to deploy psi knights.
 
One thing that I would like to point out is that we will never have any large numbers of Psi-Knights, as we have a very limited number of Psykers, and a lot of preexisting demands for their time. I can see us ending up with more Titans in the long term because they, comparatively, have less stringent personnel requirements.

As for something else that the Rogue Trader brings to the table, is that he and his family have 1000 years setting up and running trade in a policy that is lager then the Trust. We will need to ask Durin, but I would expect that Uberti would be able to improve our trade options at least. I also want to know how his family has been dealing with slow shipping speeds.

@Durin
1, would Alfons Uberti offer new options for setting up trade?
2, would his knowledge of macro economics allow the trust to improve its economy as a whole?
3, I think that you may have answered this before, but what level of Psyker is required for the Psi-Knights?
 
So wierd question but are people expecting Ridicully and Xavier to pilot knight titans?
Because no way should Ridicully ever be in the front lines he is far too valuable to risk in combat. Xavier would have to pivot and well loose his paragon trait to pilot a Titan. Also a Titan would be the opposite of everything combat he has done so far.
 
Nurgle said:
So wierd question but are people expecting Ridicully and Xavier to pilot knight titans?
Because no way should Ridicully ever be in the front lines he is far too valuable to risk in combat. Xavier would have to pivot and well loose his paragon trait to pilot a Titan. Also a Titan would be the opposite of everything combat he has done so far.
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Counterpoint:

Xavier making a Knight-Titan SNEAKY.
 
Nurgle said:
So wierd question but are people expecting Ridicully and Xavier to pilot knight titans?
Because no way should Ridicully ever be in the front lines he is far too valuable to risk in combat. Xavier would have to pivot and well loose his paragon trait to pilot a Titan. Also a Titan would be the opposite of everything combat he has done so far.
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kinda. even if they are not going to be amazing pilots, its still a big HP bar. assassinating rids would be made significantly harder if you had to break his knight first.
 
random_npc said:
kinda. even if they are not going to be amazing pilots, its still a big HP bar. assassinating rids would be made significantly harder if you had to break his knight first.
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"So Avernus has boss battles now?"
"You say that like the whole damn planet isn't one."
"Yeah, but these are for RPG players, not RTS players like those bloody fortifications and THOSE ANIMALS."
"Have you forgotten what happened to that Third Circle?"
"Oh fine, the boss battles got break bars."
 
I guess I voted the other way because the whole psyker Knights thing feels Awesome, but Impractical given the low number of suitable personnel.

We may have the crazy number of psykers necessary to even make it plausible in the first place, but a lot of the higher-level psykers may be still be better off using their talents in other fields.
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NPC45 said:
One thing that I would like to point out is that we will never have any large numbers of Psi-Knights, as we have a very limited number of Psykers, and a lot of preexisting demands for their time. I can see us ending up with more Titans in the long term because they, comparatively, have less stringent personnel requirements.

As for something else that the Rogue Trader brings to the table, is that he and his family have 1000 years setting up and running trade in a policy that is lager then the Trust. We will need to ask Durin, but I would expect that Uberti would be able to improve our trade options at least. I also want to know how his family has been dealing with slow shipping speeds.

@Durin
1, would Alfons Uberti offer new options for setting up trade?
2, would his knowledge of macro economics allow the trust to improve its economy as a whole?
3, I think that you may have answered this before, but what level of Psyker is required for the Psi-Knights?
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A very limited amount of Psykers? We found almost 750 deltas alone lost turn.
 
Hight combat isn't something we're short of. So he has 40 C, we have tens of thousands of unit champions with many times his combat experience. And combat instructors with that level of experience too. He's a prodigy at teaching people to fight in knight titans - all the infrastructure and institutional knowledge to back him up at that is on Asgard which is good because it's less likely to be wrecked by monsters there. It would be a huge action and resource sink to duplicate it on Avernus. For what? Knights aren't even proper titans anyway.

Psy-titans would be a cool project for Asgard. No-one is going bond a psyker who hasn't passed their trials to a knight - the risk is too great. So access to pre-trials students is not a reason to do it on Avernus. Avernus is a death world. If there isn't a compelling positive reason to locate a project there then better to have it somewhere else. Aesir and Varangians come to Hell when they're already good enough that the constant monster fights will give them an edge rather than kill them. I'm happy for Avernus to sponsor a psy-knight program, commit resources, send psykers - a chance for a few lucky citizens to get off world and become minor nobles - spend a few actions, but it isn't worth a dynastic marriage slot when we only have one.

Politically he brings closer ties to a single world where we've already got an honorary barony. Not even that powerful of a world by IT standards. Alfons brings political ties with a huge chunk of Dragons Nest and his family controls a significant fraction of their entire merchant marine. None of the other candidates comes close as a dynastic match and Syr asked for dynastic advantage.
 
Azgrin said:
That's a question for durin not me. I was commenting on our "limited" number of psykers. The amount of major psykers is only increasing, as noted by Jane multiple times over the last few turns.
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But again a third of those will die than others will be sent of to different orders. We will never have that many of them since that will take away from other things we need them for.
 
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