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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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jjffjhjf said:
I mean, you aren't wrong canonically, but this isn't canon. Which means they might actually be properly competent now.
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In Embers canon, the Traitor Primarchs haven't been doing anything, including Magnus. When I brought up Magnus' recent canon, I was being charitable. More realistically, he'll do what he and his traitor brothers have been doing in Embers, which is nothing.
 
Andres110 said:
In Embers canon, the Traitor Primarchs haven't been doing anything, including Magnus. When I brought up Magnus' recent canon, I was being charitable. More realistically, he'll do what he and his traitor brothers have been doing in Embers, which is nothing.
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Just not sure that'll continue is all. Though its entirely reasonable to think they might. I'm just rather pessimistic about such things.
 
Andres110 said:
No point. The Traitor Primarchs are bitches who never do anything, except for Magnus, but he was defeated by mere Space Marines, so he's not really what you could call a threat.
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In newer canon Lorgar is starting to go active again.

That man is one of the biggest threats to the galaxy and propably the only human to understand Chaos (even though he has come to questionable conclusions).
Taking a look at him is not high priority, but eventually may be worth it.
 
Andres110 said:
In Embers canon, the Traitor Primarchs haven't been doing anything, including Magnus. When I brought up Magnus' recent canon, I was being charitable. More realistically, he'll do what he and his traitor brothers have been doing in Embers, which is nothing.
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Them not doing things we've learned about doesn't mean they've done nothing at all dude.

We have a narrow window into the galaxy and frankly we've missed a lot since Ridcully can only divine so much.

They are major players who if they gather their sons (like we know Pert did to kill the Fists) could pose serious threat to all but the strongest policies.
 
yeah and Magnus's attacks on the wolves are the main reason that Abbadon's Black Crusade won so decisively despite the utter disaster that was Bjorn
 
yeah, Magnus was one of the few people not surprised by Bjorn's Stand, having clashed with him several times and gotten an understanding of the level he was pushing. I see magnus as deciding that Bjorn was a borderline transcendent and resolving not to be the one to push him though that barrier. Being the one someone goes transcendent on is bad, even if you are a Deamon Primarch as transcendents are often tailed for the situation you get them in to an extent
 
So basically Magnus was genre savy, or can be at times... man just imagine if Magnus had been one of the loyal primarchs.
Adhoc vote count started by Void Stalker on Feb 24, 2019 at 7:46 AM, finished with 317 posts and 30 votes.
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It's strange to me that Magnus and similarly powerful psykers don't just win everything forever. I mean, at their levels of power you'd expect them to be able to Thanos anyone who tries to swing at them.
 
Andres110 said:
It's strange to me that Magnus and similarly powerful psykers don't just win everything forever. I mean, at their levels of power you'd expect them to be able to Thanos anyone who tries to swing at them.
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Well in the fight with Russ Magnus does just that mentally contacting Russ and showing him he every way he could kill Russ instantly, but isn't.

He wasn't out of guilt, and the King probably doesn't out of hatred/arrogance.
 
Durin said:
yeah, Magnus was one of the few people not surprised by Bjorn's Stand, having clashed with him several times and gotten an understanding of the level he was pushing. I see magnus as deciding that Bjorn was a borderline transcendent and resolving not to be the one to push him though that barrier. Being the one someone goes transcendent on is bad, even if you are a Deamon Primarch as transcendents are often tailed for the situation you get them in to an extent
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As the changeling can attest, being on the receiving end of two paragon traits specced for solo-killing you in particular is Not Fun (TM), especially since rule of cool means that the Nat 100 she rolled had the traits rolled into that Nat 100 of *100 damage.
 
Shard said:
As the changeling can attest, being on the receiving end of two paragon traits specced for solo-killing you in particular is Not Fun (TM), especially since rule of cool means that the Nat 100 she rolled had the traits rolled into that Nat 100 of *100 damage.
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I really hope the Changling is truly dead. But it is sneaky so who knows?
 
Void Stalker said:
Hoping Eldars can do something about breaking Isha out soonish so that we can save Lin.
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You know, this quest is very reliant on rolls, but I think we will get the chance of saving Lin.

Durin is a writer who loves to write awesome scenes very much in the WH40K fashion, and the idea of Ridcully guiding the Isha´s
brothers to the rescue through the halls of Nurgle, so he can save one of his best friends, is so Epic that I think that the Eldar rolls for trying a rescue attempt in during the next century are relatively low, so we can at least get a try.
 
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@Threat
Have we ever asked Durin:
1. If in Ember-verse the Angry Marines exist or have ever existed?
2. If they existed they were loyal and maybe still are?
 
Binge-Reader said:
Them not doing things we've learned about doesn't mean they've done nothing at all dude.

We have a narrow window into the galaxy and frankly we've missed a lot since Ridcully can only divine so much.

They are major players who if they gather their sons (like we know Pert did to kill the Fists) could pose serious threat to all but the strongest policies.
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Too add to this for example, in addition to Magnus doing stuff, Pertarbo has been doing stuff we care about as he has annihilated the Imperial Fists and turned the Phalanx into his own personal demon boat.

Angron was also doing something recently as Jain Zar was fighting him.

Still as you say this is just what we know of and most of them are usually ****ing off playing the Great Game.

@Durin
1. Speaking of why was Jain Zar and Angron fighting? Was he summoned somewhere?
2. Dunno if this has already been asked, but are the Eldar willing to say how Mathaalan betrayed the Eldar and why now that they consider us allies?
 
Void Stalker said:
So basically Magnus was genre savy, or can be at times... man just imagine if Magnus had been one of the loyal primarchs.
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he kinda was. he did't so much betray the emperor, as get tricked into dealing him a grievous blow, and then chaos changed the arrest order to a kill order. Then his soul shattered and chaos took the opportunity to make the red king out of the shards, ensuring his worst traits would be dominant.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
You know, this quest is very reliant on rolls, but I think we will get the chance of saving Lin.

Durin is a writer who loves to write awesome scenes very much in the WH40K fashion, and the idea of Ridcully guiding the Isha´s
brothers to the rescue through the halls of Nurgle, so he can save one of his best friends, is so Epic that I think that the Eldar rolls for trying a rescue attempt in during the next century are relatively low, so we can at least get a try.
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I have a personal preference for Ridcully soullinked with Lin bringing him to Isha so she can heal him.
 
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he kinda was. he did't so much betray the emperor, as get tricked into dealing him a grievous blow, and then chaos changed the arrest order to a kill order. Then his soul shattered and chaos took the opportunity to make the red king out of the shards, ensuring his worst traits would be dominant.
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Don't forget that Magnus shards have done a lot of good, helping Vulcan, founding the grey knights as thier chapter Master, and other stuff... all right most of the other shards would be considered evil.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Too add to this for example, in addition to Magnus doing stuff, Pertarbo has been doing stuff we care about as he has annihilated the Imperial Fists and turned the Phalanx into his own personal demon boat.

Angron was also doing something recently as Jain Zar was fighting him.

Still as you say this is just what we know of and most of them are usually ****ing off playing the Great Game.

@Durin
1. Speaking of why was Jain Zar and Angron fighting? Was he summoned somewhere?
2. Dunno if this has already been asked, but are the Eldar willing to say how Mathaalan betrayed the Eldar and why now that they consider us allies?
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1. he was leading a group of world eaters on a rampage though the galaxy and they were headed somewhere the Eldar wanted protected
2. only that he sided with Chaos
 
Andres110 said:
@Durin, for a technology idea, I'd like to suggest some kind of fuel or chemical that sets rockcrete on fire. Maybe by igniting the synthetic binding agent that holds the rock and stone together.
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Theres a RL chemical that as far as anyone can tell, can burn pretty much anything....
asbestos...you know, that stuff they use to STOP fires.
water...cas...yeah.....(it actually explodes on contact with water)
sand, glass, gold, platinum....the ash left over by "normal" fires.
nothing...because it will combust with itself.
Oxygen...yeah..thats right, it does to oxygen what oxygen does to wood....which means one could say that this stuff is so violent that it can even set FIRE on fire.....
as a bonus, it will do all this with no spark or prompting from external flame...its like nitroglycerin except made of fire instead of being explode-y

the best known way to store it is a special coating made of steel. technically that steel is not what does it, but rather what forms after reacting with the chlorine_trifuoride to from a metal Florine that won't explode...but don't let it get scratched as thats when the fire starts.....

wiki even says quotes somebody saying that the way to deal with a open fire of this stuff is "a good pair of running shoes"

this is because this stuff doesnt need fuel to burn, nor oxygen...and burns hot enough that the only way to forcibly put it out is with a flood of liquid nitrogen.....which will eventually warm up anyway and thus only slows the stuff down since its self-starting.

Chlorine trifluoride - Wikipedia
(yes, thats THREE fluorine atoms forced to bond with chlorine....)

phosphorus is called the devils chemical (or something like that)....this stuff is far, FAR worse.

This stuff reacts with your body to form hydrofluoric acid and hydrochloric acid, which are both dangerous acids Furthermore, due to this stuff's explosive quality in regards to water (which you are mostly made of) means that it will turn your body into acid and then explode said acid everywhere.
 
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