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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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Okay...
@Durin
Is sabreFather explanation of the forewaring of the comming wargh correct or will we get the info one turn beforehand through Ridcully that the orks will start to move or was the info this turn that they gather the best warning we will get?
[X] Nurgle T 124
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
I would recommend selling them artificial lakes first, because once they have tech they will be able to make them themselves. We will also need time to implement what we buy, so nothing much lost in selling the tech later.
Considering the how overworked Rotbart is, and how very non-critical Spend Time With actions are, I would ask that we give him one year of personal actions worth of free time.
I am baffled by this. Why would you postpone the Light Power Weapons, making them possibly too late for use against the Orcs, when we can get them done before (if) the Waagh arrives for certain? And instead you do a planning action that will provide no benefit whatsoever, only allowing for another which would take 2 more turns at least? Much less when we have the Pulse Rifles for PDF ready to go?
[X] Plan Enjou T124
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Barring a better suggestion, I've switched the Free Divination to Eldar Choice.
Thing is, I'm not sold on the artificial lakes idea. Primarily because it actually costs us time to make the lakes, as opposed to just giving them tech and letting them handle it from there.
Thing is, I'm not sold on the artificial lakes idea. Primarily because it actually costs us time to make the lakes, as opposed to just giving them tech and letting them handle it from there.
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Enerael
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Sure, but they have a great deal of what we want. I highly doubt that what waterproof Tau tech we have to trade would be enough for even 3/4 of their Runes for example. Consider that what we can currently buy is the lowest of the low, and what it took to buy all the Alkahestry knowledge. And that waterproof stuff is only a small part of what the Nynye have.
Considering that the only other trade good we have that they would be willing to sell Runes for are human souls...
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We're already selling them human souls, and we have most of the runes that they're willing to sell us for those. If they're willing to open up True Runes for the Tau tech, then looking into the lakes option might be a better idea. But without that? I don't see it as worth the time it'd take for the projects to make the lakes given that the next Chaos invasion or daemonic incursion will generate enough corrupted souls that we will be able to buy the remaining runes anyways.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
From what I remember, the Runes available to us are the ones every single
Tech and lakes would likely allow us to buy some more important stuff than what we have been trading delicacies for...
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We have no idea when the Waagh will leave or were it will go. It is a risk but we to finish the planning implement for Volkite before we make a decision. I rather finish the Volkite so we can decide what to do next turn.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
A small, waterproof part of it, mostly. Surface stuff with some difficulty, they are after all amphibian.
What are you talking about? We already know that we want Pulse Rifles for the PDF and are advised to begin ASAP.
Helltroopers have to wait, but if we really wanted those done first we would have picked Volkites over Pulse Rifles to implement first.
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We don't need to though. We'll have two open slots in the military section next turn. One can go towards Pulse weapons for the PDF, since Volkite isn't applicable to them since it'd be too expensive - we're going to do that action anyways, so it literally costs us nothing more to do that first. The other action can go towards implementation plans for Volkite, the VR training thing, and something else. Volkites for the Helltroopers can come after. Volkites won't be done in time to influence the Waaagh fight if it comes towards us, so there's no real benefit to doing Volkites this turn.
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: A lot of Tau stuff is usable in space, as such it is air-tight and water-tight. The difficult part is making the stuff. They will either need to create sealed air-pockets to build factories inside, which they can do using psyker power, or build their industry on dry ground. It is entirely possible that we will eventually be offered the opportunity to jump-start their industrial build-up in exchange for their most powerful runes.
In the meantime however we can get a whole bunch of runes, probably including some we could never get by just selling food, for the Tau tech base.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
I suspect that you are greatly underestimating the differences between vacuum rated and underwater rated.
But yes, the biggest problem are probably underwater factories.
@Enjou , sorry to bother you, but could I have an answer to this post please?
I would really rather not have a plan based on faulty assumptions, it would bug me.
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i mean in the form of infrastructure and tech level like with the Nynye they where iron age before we made trade with them to upgrad them to a higher level and the problem with the Sirens they are still in the iron age and they are in the water so much of the prerequisites tech we have that they need to reach tau level tech is useless
I'm saying that if they aren't willing to open up better runes for tech, they're not likely going to open them up for lakes either. Tech is the lower effort way of possibly getting access to the better runes, and IMO the more likely way. So let's see what a tech trade gets us first, and then if we might get more for lakes we can go for that later.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
Its lower effort, yes, but given how few already available Runes there are left to buy, they would have to offer something more if they wanted the lakes. And they do. Also, the tech devalues the lakes.
The tech is also very unlikely to buy us all of their runes, considering how limited it is underwater, so we will be building many lakes for them anyway. Unless we figure out some new trade good.
The very basic Siren Runes have proven very valuable.
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if we sell them tech first the value of lakes goes down, because they become something they might be able to make themselves. But if we sell them lakes first, the value of the tech might go up. it would be easier for shallow water settlements to have some above water production facilities. also, I doubt making lakes would take an admin action. On the scale we work at an artificial lake is peanuts.
@Durin if we sell artificial lakes to the sirens, would it take admin actions? or is it a small enough project that it would just be the diplo slot to make the deal?
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It will take them a long time to tech up it is true. However given they are all psykers they will have little problem setting up cottage industry levels of production. Telekinesis is exceedingly useful for bypassing the whole 'tools to make the tools' process.
Just to point out, once they start using advanced tech they will have a need for advanced resources. At present they have no use for Metal. When they start building crisis suits they will need a whole lot of metal.
They won't be building any lakes this century or the next. Not without help.
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Eh...they do use metal...but for armour and stuff.
Though crisis suits covered in runes seem mega op.
@Durin
1. Can we ask about the tau tech and the lakes in the same action? Klovis likely knows em well enough to offer both at once?
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@Enjou, I think you should change this to asking for Vlad's help in Nudging Ironbusta. His skills make him very useful in this regard. Finding Syr a husband isn't really as important to the short term of nudging the Waaagh away from us.