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Scale and speed pretty much. In many ways it is an overcharged version
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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- England
Can I have a link to the discord, have no idea where to find it?
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- Alice Springs, Australia
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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I think this is it. Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
I have a question. Why are we still trading souls to sirens? Can't we just get our Oracle to look in to the past/present/future and learn Runes that way? I mean certanly if nothing else he can look in to the future where we traded for runes and once he learns we just don't trade. Get runes for free.
Doomed Wombat
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If I were to guess
1. At the time it was impossible and given that the Sirens have access to the even more potent true runes I get the feeling Rids would have trouble doing it (the most best wards we have are able to make his vision hazy already, the Sirens have a lot more expertise with regular runes.)
2. Because we like our isles cities to still be there and stealing military hardware from them would likely get them to make a concerted effort to ensure that they are not there resulting in lots of loss of life as a species made entirely of powerful psykers goes up yours.
3. Ridcully can't learn everything from the future, his specialisation is divination of the present not the past or the future. He can do somethings like get bits of Tranth's notes from the future, but just like how he can't easily crack the codes for the data jewels, he can't easily learn how to make a rune given that each one of them is an immensely complex master work of psyonic resonances. To say nothing of the fact that the future doesn't work like that in 40K, you can't just spy on the futures you don't pick at least without things being more unclear, you need to commit to specific futures for things to become easily discernible and the past is tricky on avernus between its natural counter measures, the Siren's already existing wards and the runes complexity (he can't just show an artisan a vision of a rune's physical contruction he'd need to show them the resonances that went into them as a minimum) Present is where he'd get the most chance, but its still far from a done deal. He could give it ago, but being good enough to get consistent results from past or future seems like a paragon trait.
4. Cultists are a cheap renewable resource that we don't have anything better to do with and Rids has better things to do than steal from the Sirens given how much time and effort would go into nabbing a single one.
5. OOC, we're doing the galaxy a favour even if its a small one.
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Ok first Nurgle can hide any blessing he gives. There have been space marine chapters, inquisition units, governors and whole sectors that fail to Nurgle without any outward sign till it was too late. One of the most famous is when a inquisitor who would work with space marines on a regular bases turn out to be a follower of Nurgle. These was a guy so good at hiding that his own Staff did not suspect.
This trade has been a huge success for the progressive faction and non chaos humanity. The events here may one day lead to some of humanity surviving the coming wars. Also I want to see how much the tech priests are dying in ecstasy.
I want Syr to get married and have kids so we can continue the line of Rotbart which get a bonus to military command. So we need stability and to bring Syr back. These is a another reason to use a minor favor to die the Waagh into Amirka.
This trade has been a huge success for the progressive faction and non chaos humanity. The events here may one day lead to some of humanity surviving the coming wars. Also I want to see how much the tech priests are dying in ecstasy.
I want Syr to get married and have kids so we can continue the line of Rotbart which get a bonus to military command. So we need stability and to bring Syr back. These is a another reason to use a minor favor to die the Waagh into Amirka.
Doomed Wombat
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I do not know what to give these so I will just thank you for commenting.
Doomed Wombat
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Takes a bow.
More seriously given the admech's been at 20/10 moral for a very long time now I think we're reaching a point of tech overload and we'll be finding corridors of sprawled, drunk magi who've partied too hard at this point.
That or they'll be freaking everyone out for ages as normally emotionless Magi are suddenly incredibly bright and chipper while the ones with emotions are hugging and kissing people on the cheek at random grinning (or equivalent) inanely.
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We did.
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- Australia
@Durin, I have a tech idea that should be possible based on what we know of human technology. Basically, you get something like the Astronomican where it consumes psykers to release a large amount of energy, but instead of being a beacon, it's instead a really big gun that shoots enemies in the Materium. Might be considered humanity's attempt to build a counterfeit Blackstone Fortress.
Dynamesmouse
Bzzzzzz
That sounds like a heretic's dream superweapon.
That sounds like something a chaos sorcery would use. You are essentially sacrificing human souls to do damage. Also I think Saint Lin would give these a hard no. He tends not to like sacrifice human souls and the only reason he is not completely against the souls trade is that it is better for the corrupt humans to be eaten than allowed to die and give some small power to chaos.
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I don't think he objected to the Astronomican, which is basically the same as the proposed idea but it's a lighthouse instead of a gun.
That is a little better but there are still a few problems. We have no one that can power it. Still have to sacrifice human souls. Than comes the hard part. The Astronomican is one of the most advance if not the most advance piece of technology created by humanity. It took the Emperor and Malcador to build it. Long term we may be able to do something like that but short term I do not see that happening.
Doomed Wombat
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This may seem ironic considering I rebutted this point as I recall, but you yourself pointed out emps stated he refused to have psykers power the astronomicon out of moral concerns.
While I doubt his intentions were so altruistic myself given things like the Warlord Sinister existed with his approval, the fact remains that powering the astronomicon was an incredibly painful, degrading and all around horrifying process, physically, mentally and spiritually.
I'd be very surprised if Lin was completely ok with it.
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It's nowhere near the same thing. The main difference is that the feeding souls to the Emperor was the only way to keep him alive and thus the Astonomicon which was keeping the Imperium alive as well. You're idea is just sacrificing non-corrupted souls to power a weapon when we already have tons of weapons.
Should be noted that Durin outirght said that if Rotbart outright suggested using non corrupted souls for the deal Saint Lin would have called him a monster and renounced him.
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Might be he'll only allow it if we have good enough reason to power it, like if Abaddon showed up or something.
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- The Bayou, Everglades
Will have to wait and hope the Waaagh doesn't pop off before Ridcully can earn us another favor. That, or crack up a major favor.
You guys didn't want to wait that long to get Lin medical help from the Eldar, remember?
Doomed Wombat
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That's too extreme a situation. Of course if that happens he'd likely allow it, but at that point all bets are off save selling our souls to chaos.
And I still don't.
Go rids find that patsy!
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
Getting this back out there as widely as possible as I lobby for it whenever the topic comes up:
I came up with an alternative payment to souls midway through the High Council meeting that we haven't been able to implement yet(lots of interludes), specifically we use our blasting and earthmoving equipment to build them artificial lakes near the sea.
They are capable of surviving and moving on land or in the water, but they choose to live in the water for some reason despite the absurdly dangerous sea life(worse than the surface, maybe as bad as the caverns), probably something to do with their biology. Thus they could walk a fair distance between the sea and a lake, allowing them to use inland lakes as isolation areas where they can control their contact with wildlife, the same way we use orbital hospitals and universities.
This gives us a trade good that is of strategic, rather than luxury value, making it more likely for them to be willing to trade us things of strategic value in return.
Additionally if they move a significant portion of their population to inland lakes it gives us something to retaliate against if their politics demand they attack us, giving the chance to use hostages to force a negotiated resolution to a war.
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I would have done it but Saint Lin had time and it would be gouache to do it without the high council. I would galaxy brea a major favor for the opportunity to get Syr back married and her having some grandkids that can be trained in Avernus school system.