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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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UlseDovThur said:
Ah, right. Though, out of curiosity, what is our current annual attrition rate anyway?

Edit: population wise, not militarily.
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I remember Durin saying that without wildlife attrition we would have 4+% percent pop growth (IIRC), so we loose about 3+% of our population annually. Though it's bit weird since due to wide-spread juve-nat death by old age is basically non-existant on Avernus by now.
 
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mmm...

Given how potent a multiplier Helheim is I wonder if there's stuff we could be doing more.

@Durin
1. Do we think we're at a point where a cooperative research initiative between the known Avernus species would be viable either politically with the Trust or with the people's in question? At this point its the Sirens and the Nynye I believe who are useful in this regard, but bringing in their experts to further our and their knowledge seems like a good idea.
1ii. As a subset of that I guess, would it be useful? I can see it being beneficial, since the Sirens and Nynye seem more specialised, but able to learn outside of those specialisations at the same time teaching us said specialisations, while humans are more generalised so can teach and research a wide variety of things more easily. We also seem to have access to plain old more resources than they do. At the same time it may just not be viable.
2. Is Areatha willing to put us in contact with other major peoples (OOC like the Idra Sakarians) or does she think we need to find them the hard way?
3. Don't know if this has been asked, but could she do the same, but the Penguins? I ask because...well the Penguins are guardians, its one thing to contact a people a Guardian is another matter.
4. Going in this vein could she contact the Therondy Dragons? It seems like she'd be respected enough or knowledge able enough to chat to a few and get first contact between us going, since at the moment my ideas for contact consist primarily of air dropping all the Grox on them, yelling loudly over the bounds of their territory with a descent strafing in the background.
5. Actually that's a point? How useful are the descents going to be for people? They seem like a rather sleeper element to our success, but as far as I can tell they're a big part of how we're able to be so offensively potent.

Also @Durin
Tech idea, Exterminatus exploitation.

I'd imagine Callamus might use it a lot and figuring out how to get something out of blow up worlds seems appropriate given their focus on industry.
 
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I like exterminatus exploitation. It's almost certain we'll get 2 stage cyclonic torpedoes too.

I wonder if anyone has modded them into the super hulk busters we've theorised about but never had the resources to look into.

On that kinda note, our exterminatus stockpile should be growing pretty well, we haven't used any in ages. We should also probably look into Averneus based bio-exterminatus options. That could be a very interesting avernue of research.
 
Piren'e Colass said:
On that kinda note, our exterminatus stockpile should be growing pretty well, we haven't used any in ages. We should also probably look into Averneus based bio-exterminatus options. That could be a very interesting avernue of research.
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If nobody here doesn't have it we could probably reverse engineer the LEV.

Of course the LEF may just be named similarly though.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
mmm...

Given how potent a multiplier Helheim is I wonder if there's stuff we could be doing more.

@Durin
1. Do we think we're at a point where a cooperative research initiative between the known Avernus species would be viable either politically with the Trust or with the people's in question? At this point its the Sirens and the Nynye I believe who are useful in this regard, but bringing in their experts to further our and their knowledge seems like a good idea.
1ii. As a subset of that I guess, would it be useful? I can see it being beneficial, since the Sirens and Nynye seem more specialised, but able to learn outside of those specialisations at the same time teaching us said specialisations, while humans are more generalised so can teach and research a wide variety of things more easily. We also seem to have access to plain old more resources than they do. At the same time it may just not be viable.
2. Is Areatha willing to put us in contact with other major peoples (OOC like the Idra Sakarians) or does she think we need to find them the hard way?
3. Don't know if this has been asked, but could she do the same, but the Penguins? I ask because...well the Penguins are guardians, its one thing to contact a people a Guardian is another matter.
4. Going in this vein could she contact the Therondy Dragons? It seems like she'd be respected enough or knowledge able enough to chat to a few and get first contact between us going, since at the moment my ideas for contact consist primarily of air dropping all the Grox on them, yelling loudly over the bounds of their territory with a descent strafing in the background.
5. Actually that's a point? How useful are the descents going to be for people? They seem like a rather sleeper element to our success, but as far as I can tell they're a big part of how we're able to be so offensively potent.

Also @Durin
Tech idea, Exterminatus exploitation.

I'd imagine Callamus might use it a lot and figuring out how to get something out of blow up worlds seems appropriate given their focus on industry.
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1. not yet
1ii. it would
2. she thinks you need to find them the hard way
3. ditto
4. no she views your diplomacy as your responsibility
5. very
 
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1. not yet
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@Durin
1. Out of curiosity, what are the things preventing us from doing it?
2. Also out of curiosity, since the Jotun are the Ur and seemingly best variant of Jotun is Garp open to sending some to the other polities?
3. Also curiosity, are there any Jotun tech priests?
4. As this seems rather relevant how much "traffic" for lack of better terminology can our area of the webway take? Given the damage I assume mass movement isn't recommended.
4ii. In this case would any large numbers of people be taking the deep space webway portal, which I assume is less damaged?
 
Doomed Wombat said:
@Durin
1. Out of curiosity, what are the things preventing us from doing it?
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Pretty sure it's the fact that the Avernite people seemed more incline to fight each other and are extremely wary of giving others more advantages that can be used against them as shown with the Sirens telling us not to share runes with other Avernite natives. Humans get a pass since we are already everywhere in the galaxy and so with us it's seen as not really making us that much more dangerous anyway.
 
Red Bovine said:
Pretty sure it's the fact that the Avernite people seemed more incline to fight each other and are extremely wary of giving others more advantages that can be used against them as shown with the Sirens telling us not to share runes with other Avernite natives. Humans get a pass since we are already everywhere in the galaxy and so with us it's seen as not really making us that much more dangerous anyway.
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While this is probably the case I am hoping we can get around it some way (maybe making the case that since they'll both know it then it's not really effecting the balance of power much.)

Still I'd guess the reason from our end is that its probably a step too far for most. The Siren's participation especially is probably a massive red flag.

Still it is possible, IIRC I asked way back if an alkhestry think tank with the Nynye was possible and beneficial and apparently it was once we learned enough of it.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
While this is probably the case I am hoping we can get around it some way (maybe making the case that since they'll both know it then it's not really effecting the balance of power much.)
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As I just said the races are probably naturally disinclined to share tech with each other for a number of potential reasons. One being that the planet mind wants the people each specializing in a particular field for research purposes.
 
Red Bovine said:
As I just said the races are probably naturally disinclined to share tech with each other for a number of potential reasons. One being that the planet mind wants the people each specializing in a particular field for research purposes.
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You didn't say that, but I personally doubt that's a reason.

The PM uses them as test beds for research, they don't do much research themselves...at least for the World.

I doubt there's anyone except an Old One who could teach the PM anything new.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
You didn't say that, but I personally doubt that's a reason.

The PM uses them as test beds for research, they don't do much research themselves...at least for the World.

I doubt there's anyone except an Old One who could teach the PM anything new.
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I mean it seems like it could gain new research material from the people of Avernus coming up with different paths when it comes to science and warp/psyker knowledge. Wouldn't be surprised if the PM is taking notes of our own stuff.
 
Red Bovine said:
I mean it seems like it could gain new research material from the people of Avernus coming up with different paths when it comes to science and warp/psyker knowledge. Wouldn't be surprised if the PM is taking notes of our own stuff.
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Again I doubt it...I mean the only way I can see it being interested in anything we put out is in the sense of delegation.

Its probably focused on more important projects so isn't sparing too much thought to what its current creations are doing aside from Looking and seeing "ah the path I put them on X many years ago has born fruit let me just combine this with these things and there."

It's certainly not interested in anything we create ATM we're still learning the basics of the psy tech tree and reminder, there is a level 20+ something species on Avernus somewhere.

Its 60 million years old and in order to gain this level of advancement its probably had to max out as many tech trees as it can find.

What was that thing Durin said on the subject...Ah yes "lets just say that one of Avernus' problems is to much power to actually use. It seems if you let a compound generator run for tens of millions of years you get problems."

Its got all the knowledge, in fact it probably has far too much knowledge for it to ever practically implement or use.
 
Emergency report on a new infection form the desk of Vinceo Maximal

Routine screening have found something on Avernites. A unknown protein that seems to settle in the cerebral fluid and throughout the rest of the body in lesser concentration. These proteins had been dismissed in the past because no known disease was replicate using a protein as this unknown infection. It seems to be a rare progressive neurodegenerative disorder that affect both humans and animals. It is distinguished by long incubation periods, characteristic partial spongiform changes associated with neuronal loss, and a failure to induce inflammatory response. essentially these proteins seems to be causing changes in Avernites through genetic changes and neural degeneration of amygdala( part of the brain that regulate fears reaction time and other responses). This protein seems to be changing the way humans respond to fear, improve reaction time, improve perception, and may be responsible for other currently unknown changes.

This abnormal pathogenic agent is transmissible and is able to induce abnormal folding of specific normal cellular proteins called prion proteins that are found most abundantly in the brain. The functions of these normal proteins are still not completely understood at these time. The abnormal folding of the prion proteins leads to brain damage (as mention) and change in cell proteins. Now know pathogen agent has also been found in Avernite wildlife and that is believed to be the way that it first infected humans. Other ways of infection are being screened for but none have been detected. Recommend meat and meat products be screened and cooked well done since proteins have been found in animals but not plant life.

These has gone on so long unnoticed because of completely different way this pathogen infects compared to viruses and Bacteria. Viruses infect by piercing the outer wall of the cell membrane and infecting the cell. Bacteria infect by overwhelming a cell wall and finding a way. These proteins seem to just pass through the cell membrane without any trouble. Which is a previous unknown way of infection. Usually unknown proteins or foreign objects are destroyed or attacked by the bodies immune system but immune responses ignore proteins.

Recommend further screening be done immediately.


@Durin I wrote a short omake on what I think is causing changes in Avernites. Prions are a scaring pathogen and hard to detect. Usually they casue debilitating brain damage but I think the Planet Mind would use them for other things.
 
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Nurgle said:
@Durin I wrote a short omake on what I think is causing changes in Avernites. Prions are a scaring pathogen and hard to detect. Usually they casue debilitating brain damage but I think the Planet Mind would use them for other things.
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PM's got plenty of ways to do it physically.

A species of Guardians for one.

Its probably got other things to do it spiritually as well.
 
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The Grand Conclave Part Two: Corax
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    • The Grand Conclave Part Two: Corax

    As the finer details of the technology exchange are being discussed a great deal of socializing occurs between the gathered leaders and their retinues, as varies people try to get a read on each others personalities and form less formal ties. You made sure to meet up with Corax, the Primarch of the Raven Guard and the most mysterious of the gathered leaders. In person Corax possesses an understated charisma that does not attract the eye but ensures that he, few, words are heeded. He seems to be highly interested by your tales of Avernus, which he compares to the worlds he encountered in in his time in the Eye of Terror, which have some similarities and some differences. He is also intrigued by your mentions of Areatha, and expresses a desire to meet her someday.

    From your talks with Corax you gained the impression of an old and jaded veteran, one who has seen countless mind-shattering horrors and pretty much had all hope and ambitions for the future worn away by the grim reality of life. From what you can tell the only things that keep him motivated despite all of that is his ties to his brothers and his sons, especially Vulkan. This is a rather different impression then the one you get from Vulkan or Jacob's reports on Russ, one that you credit to the fact that in many ways Corax is older then any of the other Primarches.

    Once the details of the exchange are finalized talk turns to other matters, such as the potential for long term alliances or future exchanges to be made. In general it is agreed that while in principle everyone supports an alliance in practice the only way that it would be practical would be if the Eldar were willing to ferry large forces through the Webway, which they are not. Given the rather bad state of the Webway judging by your experiences and those of the other delegates that you have talked to this is understandable. Next talk turns to either arranging for the Eldar to pass on future advances that are made or for another meeting to occur in a century or two. The main issues brought up is that the more we meet and share the greater the chance that the forces of Chaos will notice and interfere.

    [] Argument to support having the Eldar pass on future advances- Quickest technology transfer, near certain chance of being noticed
    [] Argument to support future meetings- periodic technology transfer, good chance of being noticed
    [] Argument against the above
     
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    The Shifting Tribes
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    The Shifters, they are called. As much denizens of the warp as of the materium, they are possessed of the singular ability to metamorphosize themselves into nearly any form imaginable. Perhaps one of the more dangerous threats upon Avernus, capable of shifting from a Nog to a Titan-Scorpion in a moment's notice, entire squadrons can be slaughtered before the Shifter retreats in yet another form. With the immense variety of species they may mimic upon Avernus, it is all but certain that a Shifter has a form for any scenario imaginable.

    When slain, the Shifter does not 'revert' to a previous, true, form - In fact it is doubtful that the species as whole has a true form at all. Genetic analysis upon their corpses show high similarity to whichever species they were mimicking upon time of death, along with what appears to be unused genetic fragments of random assortments of other Avernite species - Leading the hypothesis that any individual Shifter is not, in fact, capable of assuming any form whatsoever at will.

    Due to their nature, however, working how exactly they are limited - if they are limited at all - has proven to be an immensely vexing process, as it requires either extended observation or the genetic analysis of an individual Avernite creature to establish whether it is a Shifter or not (and then their shapeshifting could quite quickly render your efforts moot). So far the only Biologis examination which have yielded any form of success whatsoever have involved considerable Diviner-specialists examining a few promising creatures - itself still a task of great difficulty even with samples, but at least one that doesn't require extended stays in the Avernite wilderness.

    Current analysis indicates they are intelligent, with a society consisting of various wandering tribes who roam throughout various regions of Avernus. Among themselves they appear to differentiate themselves based on a sort of body marking or paint which seems to denote ranking and capability - The Shifters appear able to shift their markings away and back seemingly at will, with numerous competing hypothesis as to why this is so. Perhaps the markings are biologically a part of the individual Shifter, or perhaps they are psychic in nature and attuned to the Shifter. Perhaps it is neither and the Shifter is simply able to shift them away - They had previously demonstrated the capacity to use their Shifting ability to regenerate themselves from even grievous wounds.

    Perhaps the only saving grace is that a Shifter's abilities appears to be restricted to self-Biomancy, and so we do not witness teleporting or precognitive metamorphic monsters - Yet observation suggests hints that it is possible that various individual Shifters are in fact very much capable of such non-biomatic feats.

    Research is still ongoing.

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    • [X] Argument to support having the Eldar pass on future advances- Quickest technology transfer, near certain chance of being noticed

    They'll figure it out anyway. Better benefit from it.
     
    @Durin
    1. Repost questions?
    2. Does argument in support of having the Eldar pass on tech advances also include additional meetings as well?
    3. What are the consequences of being noticed? I can't see the orks giving too much so Chaos is the main one at this stage? Is this a big enough threat to force greater unity? I mean the consequences may just be too great for us to comprehend.
    4. How long do we estimate it would take for them to notice in future advances option?
    5. In addition what does being noticed mean in this context? Our enemies figuring out that there's coordination, cooperation and the sharing of resources among major human polities facilitated by the Eldar, or will they be able to identify the participants. (Of course if they figure out the former the latter will probably come easily as well.)

    [X] Argument to support having the Eldar pass on future advances- Quickest technology transfer, near certain chance of being noticed
     
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    Doomed Wombat said:
    @Durin
    1. Repost questions?
    2. Does argument in support of having the Eldar pass on tech advances also include additional meetings as well?
    3. What are the consequences of being noticed? I can't see the orks giving too much so Chaos is the main one at this stage? Is this a big enough threat to force greater unity? I mean the consequences may just be too great for us to comprehend.
    4. How long do we estimate it would take for them to notice in future advances option?
    5. In addition what does being noticed mean in this context? Our enemies figuring out that there's coordination, cooperation and the sharing of resources among major human polities facilitated by the Eldar, or will they be able to identify the participants. (Of course if they figure out the former the latter will probably come easily as well.)

    [X] Argument to support having the Eldar pass on future advances- Quickest technology transfer, near certain chance of being noticed
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    1. yes
    2. it does
    3. chaos is the problem, if they notice they could start working together a bit more, not a lot but any is bad
    4. less then a century
    5. them noticing the participants, possibly excluding you for a while
     
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