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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
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random_npc said:
generally speaking, the narrower the focus the easier. "what is the deciver doing" is harder than "who is he doing it with", at least once you know what he's doing.

that said, I'd be willing to specify further and check if it's the tau. narratively, they are due for a buggering.
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Slaanesh IS getting a major powerup soon, if Vect has anything to say about it.
 
AlsoSprachOdin said:
Report yourself to the Inquisition.
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I am an Inquisitor, albeit a member of the Recongregationism :p

Red Bovine said:
No I mean from practical standpoint if we are using the Deceiver as a focus to find who he has been interacting with than that is practically the same since we would be looking for everyong the Deceiver interacted with which means divining the Deceiver. Would especially be odd if that kind of thing is not taken into account for beings like him since it's pretty obvious.
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Yes, but as I said it also means diving other people.

People who are not the deceiver and thus do not have divine levels of hiding.

Nurgle said:
Doomed wombat love of the Tau is well know. He is. xeno lover afteralll. :p
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I also an Inquisitor of the Xeno Hybris...

Though I will admit a lot of bias...

Though speaking of radicals...
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Yes, but as I said it also means diving other people.

People who are not the deceiver and thus do not have divine levels of hiding.
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You're not getting it. The issue is that for that to work we would need to divine the Deceiver himself since it seems like any time he interacts with anyone than the full anti divination measures are in place because again for us to divine who the Deceiver has been talking to we need to divine the Deceiver himself which is the problem.
 
AlsoSprachOdin said:
Also, I see people find my torpedo-pod-torpedo idea funny, for some reason.
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There are a few issues that to render it really impractical.

  1. Where are we going to mount these new torpedoes within torpedoes? They'll be pretty damn bulky and we just got told that overly exposed torpedo launchers is a quick way to lose a ship
  2. It's going to be larger and bulkier, with more momentum and less agility. That means in space it can be hit from farther away with greater accuracy and likely has worse acceleration
  3. The very nature of using submunitions and secondary launchers means you are using a lot of volume on the missile on essentially wasted space.
I mean, theoretically if you wanted a stand off weapon capable of oversaturating a ship's turret network it would probably be something along that direction, but at the very best you'd be losing raw damage output and making it hideously vulnerable to strike craft.
 
Red Bovine said:
You're not getting it. The issue is that for that to work we would need to divine the Deceiver himself since it seems like any time he interacts with anyone than the full anti divination measures are in place because again for us to divine who the Deceiver has been talking to we need to divine the Deceiver himself which is the problem.
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And you don't seem to get what you're saying. We are not divining the deceiver directly, we are divining people who have interacted with it who are not the deceiver and as such do not have its protections. We do not need to divine their specific interactions with it, we just need a list of names to hand over to the Eldar, they can take the rest from there.

In short we are divining people, not the God.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
And you don't seem to get what you're saying. We are not divining the deceiver directly, we are divining people who have interacted with it who are not the deceiver and as such do not have its protections. We do not need to divine their specific interactions with it, we just need a list of names to hand over to the Eldar, they can take the rest from there.

In short we are divining people, not the God.
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It took a Perfect Critical Success to learn that there was a power behind the Quartus Imperium. If the tau really are the Deceiver's patsies, we'd probably only discover they're patsies on a perfect Critical Success.
 
Andres110 said:
It took a Perfect Critical Success to learn that there was a power behind the Quartus Imperium. If the tau really are the Deceiver's patsies, we'd probably only discover they're patsies on a perfect Critical Success.
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Hence why I want to try and divine the issue directly and not work down our long list of potential people, who we may have actually divined already.

We know we don't need a perfect critical success to divine the deceiver itself, just close to one.

We don't need to get the exact people, just give the eldar something to narrow it down.
 
@Durin

1. How far away is Ridcully from reaching Paragon Primaris Psyker?
2. When rolling for Transcendence, it is just one roll or is it one roll per possible Transcendence? (So in Ridcully's case, was it just [one Transcendence roll] or was it [Transcendence roll for Control and Transcendence roll for Diviner]?
 
Pod'noughts might not be practical but LAC carriers might be worth considering. Our defence monitors are better armoured, better armed and cheaper than warp-capable escorts. We clearly have freighters capable of transporting monitors between star systems so it shouldn't be hard to design one able to keep up with our fleet.

@Durin
1 Would it be viable to transport Defence Monitors with our fleet in place of conventional escorts?
1b Would we need to design a dedicated carrier ship for them?
2 I don't recall the ship graveyard or data core having a Monitor, would it be worth making an updated design to take advantage of our more advanced tech?
3 Do any of our admirals have strong objections to the idea?
 
Andres110 said:
@Durin, I have added this to the Zaghâsh omake. If you want it removed I will remove it.
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its fine
Angelform said:
Pod'noughts might not be practical but LAC carriers might be worth considering. Our defence monitors are better armoured, better armed and cheaper than warp-capable escorts. We clearly have freighters capable of transporting monitors between star systems so it shouldn't be hard to design one able to keep up with our fleet.

@Durin
1 Would it be viable to transport Defence Monitors with our fleet in place of conventional escorts?
1b Would we need to design a dedicated carrier ship for them?
2 I don't recall the ship graveyard or data core having a Monitor, would it be worth making an updated design to take advantage of our more advanced tech?
3 Do any of our admirals have strong objections to the idea?
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1. yes, Tau do it
1b. it would
2. you already ahve
3. they worry about orphaned monitors and creating vulnerabilities, also Defence Monitors would greatly icnrease your supply chain as they are only supplied for weeks without resupply rather then months or years
 
Doomed Wombat said:
And you don't seem to get what you're saying. We are not divining the deceiver directly, we are divining people who have interacted with it who are not the deceiver and as such do not have its protections. We do not need to divine their specific interactions with it, we just need a list of names to hand over to the Eldar, they can take the rest from there.

In short we are divining people, not the God.
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But by logic we would actually need to divine a god because we are divining their interactions with people. Considering that said god is really good at hiding stuff than it just seems like it would make perfect sense that any interactions it did with people would be obscured. It was noted that being too broad with divination doesn't really work which is why we can't just divine STCs. It's just too broad and the ones that haven't been found yet are likely to be hidden anyway and a broad divination makes it extremely easy to miss things because we don't really know what we are looking for specifically.

If it were that easy than all chaos needs to do to take out any of the Eldar's allies or even find us would be to just divine who they have been interacting with to a significant degree. See the problem here?
 
Red Bovine said:
But by logic we would actually need to divine a god because we are divining their interactions with people. Considering that said god is really good at hiding stuff than it just seems like it would make perfect sense that any interactions it did with people would be obscured. It was noted that being too broad with divination doesn't really work which is why we can't just divine STCs. It's just too broad and the ones that haven't been found yet are likely to be hidden anyway and a broad divination makes it extremely easy to miss things because we don't really know what we are looking for specifically.

If it were that easy than all chaos needs to do to take out any of the Eldar's allies or even find us would be to just divine who they have been interacting with to a significant degree. See the problem here?
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I highly doubt that the Deceiver has been interacting with many people if nothing else due to having its mobility restricted (Necrons have alternate FTL, but the webway is still king, C'tan may have their own method of travel, but I still doubt its as good as the webway, as they needed to make the Dolman gates to take advantage of it) and interactions with a specific being are far more focused than all beings the Eldar have interacted with, which at its upper limits is vast numbers of beings across the galaxy.

And no I don't see the problem with that.

Knowing who is an ally of the Eldar does not translate to them being taken out it just translates to them knowing who is an ally of the Eldar, a status which increases the difficulty of taking them out considerably.

+ For a lot of people it's kinda obvious they're allies of the Eldar even if they're not being explicit about it.

And of course the Eldar seem to do as much of their stuff from within the Webway as possible, which seems near unbreakable to just about everyone, God or not.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
No we could only get him to move for certain areas within our general direction, not get him moving in an entirely new one.

We are the strongest threat in the region and we're one of the closer ones. We're first priority for any waaargh and the resulting one likely isn't going to have someone with the brain power of a satsuma leading it this time.

We had a choice of best defended worlds and Valinor cause those were the only ones we could reasonably direct him towards as I recall. Orks home in on the best fights.

And no we couldn't have intensified or redirected raids hitting Turoq, that would require us to send troops all the way over there to do the redirecting. Ridcully isn't just making divinations and then poof redirection, we actually have to send stealth ships and troops to put his divination into action so no it is really post favours, physically we are incapable of doing that.
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...I think you are underestimating satsumas there wombat.....
 
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