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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 593 80.4%

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    Votes: 145 19.6%
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Adhoc vote count started by HanEmpire on Nov 1, 2018 at 6:30 PM, finished with 363 posts and 86 votes.
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[X] Fall Back- You have mapped out almost all of the path and confirmed Isha's presence, with the plague in you pushing forward leaves to great a risk of dying and losing all that you have gained. - Retreat, earn major favour from Eldar on survival and minor favour on death.

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You know, I thought the Green Awakening was enough to get us over our hubris with Ridcully, but it really hasn't. Not just this, too—there was the whole debacle where we were thinking about explicitly scrying for Turoq's true name as well. While ultimately saner heads prevailed, it was a close thing.

While I do view this as one of the better places to risk him, simply due to the galactic importance of the mission, I find the way so many people are taking his eventual success for granted grating. Even with the truly massive omake support this whole endevour has had, right now he 'only' has somewhere between a 60 and 80 percent chance of getting to Isha, with getting out having too many variables to easily calculate.

We're gambling, and if we win we're winning big, with Ridcully almost certainly picking up another Paragon trait at the minimum as well as having a major galactic power with excellent strategic mobility and a lot of unique assets owing us big time. The thing is, people are focusing far, far too much on that and just seem to not be acknowledging that it isn't anywhere close to a sure thing—or even that the reason this is at all possible is that we got ridiculously lucky in rolling a nat 100 that let us pick up a +30 to rolls going forward.
 
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We know and I have tried to ask people not to discuss things like its a done deal, but...well.

What can you do.

Still we've likely got one last omake from @Rurik coming so in case that changes anything @Durin.
 
Nurgle said:
If we get a honorbound favor I think we should use it to wipe out all orks and chaos polities in 1000 years. Hear me out If we have no enemies than we can easily build a multi sector empire that can actually do something on the galtic level ina century or two. Imagine if the colonies had the Am em and other tech we don't let them have. We could afford to put the pdf in power armor all the pdf's. We could literally found multiple billion men colonies every year.
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While it would be nice to be rid of them, I think that might be a mistake. Colonization is a long process, and just because the local Ork and Chaos domains are gone doesn't mean fights won't come - there's still non-Chaos xenos in our region of space, and nothing will stop any large Chaos forces from moving in to replace the polities that have been killed off. (all of the Chaos tainted worlds will stay as such for a long while) And let's face it, Tzeentch isn't going to give up going after us.

We also would still lack a faster method of travel, which means that our fleets would be stretched thin trying to ensure all of our space is adequately defended. It's going to take us a long while before we have the kind of fleet needed to adequately defend a multi sector empire with current travel times.

IMO if we do get an Honourbound Favor out of this we might actually be better off not spending it, or at least splitting it into major favors and going from there. If the other Chaos polities in the area are aware that we can just call the Eldar down upon their heads if they try to destroy us, they'll be hesitant to try. We might use a major favor to have them wipe out the Chaos domains and the one Ork domain in 200 LY (if one honourbound favor is worth three major, and can be used for 1000 LY I don't see why a single major couldn't be used for a much smaller area with much smaller polities than the ones further out) to prove that we can do that, which would give us some breathing room, and then keep our two major favors in our pocket.

Another reason we might want to keep at least one major favor is that if Abbadon sends a Black Crusade at us at some point, being able to call on Eldar support would be extremely valuable.
 
Ruirk said:
@Durin Okay I have an idea for a possible favor. How big a favor would it be, assuming it is plausible, to get a permanent on-site Eldar research/instructor team?

My idea is that we could get a serious boost towards our psychic research and potentially a means to help increase the chance of successful psyker trails. While I imagine the Eldar training methods aren't one-to-one to ours, they have tens of thousands of years of training methods to use.

Meanwhile their insight into psychic technologies/doctrines/tactics would be a great boon for the research team. Plus the Eldar themselves could maybe learn a thing or two from the stuff down on Avernus.

Would that be possible?
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major an long term not permanent
notanautomaton said:
@Durin

1. How do the new Warlord Titans match up against Beast Gargants of the same weight class?
2. Are we getting options to make Avernus patterns of the other three Titan classes?
3a. Would there be some sort of set bonus for completing researches on the Five and Chaos as a whole?
3b. For all four types of god research?
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1. it depends on the Waaagh level, tier 1 win easily, tier 2 win, tier 3 stand a chance
2. yes
3. likely
xXxBlueViperxXx said:
@Durin
1) Do the invading armies know what the trust core worlds are capable of?
2) do they know about to say the blank population of Niflheim
3) the capabilities of Muspelheim
4) if they don't know how big of a shock would it be.
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1. aproximatly
2. unknown
3. most of them (well the ones you know of. you are pretty much certain Muspelheim is hiding something big)
4. running into a few dozen starforts by surprise? an terrible shock
kjh787 said:
@Durin

Now that you have subscriber benefits, have you considered having a banner made for the advertising system on SV for Embers?
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I forgot you could do that
anyone a bit more artistic then me want a go at making a banner?


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you have an hour or so to finish your omakes
 
Ptolemy said:
Even if the benefits are exaggerated, the Omnicopaeia would likely still be exceptionally useful if it exists.
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Might be worth divining for either it specifically, or useful archeotech and stc stashes in general.
Do you think divining for STC stashes would be one action? Or a series of actions splitting the galaxy into areas? Edit and following up on leads.
 
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Durin said:
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One of the most active votes of all time in the quest, 87 voters.
Adhoc vote count started by DeusFerreus on Nov 1, 2018 at 7:17 PM, finished with 376 posts and 87 votes.
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Enjou said:
While it would be nice to be rid of them, I think that might be a mistake. Colonization is a long process, and just because the local Ork and Chaos domains are gone doesn't mean fights won't come - there's still non-Chaos xenos in our region of space, and nothing will stop any large Chaos forces from moving in to replace the polities that have been killed off. (all of the Chaos tainted worlds will stay as such for a long while) And let's face it, Tzeentch isn't going to give up going after us.

We also would still lack a faster method of travel, which means that our fleets would be stretched thin trying to ensure all of our space is adequately defended. It's going to take us a long while before we have the kind of fleet needed to adequately defend a multi sector empire with current travel times.

IMO if we do get an Honourbound Favor out of this we might actually be better off not spending it, or at least splitting it into major favors and going from there. If the other Chaos polities in the area are aware that we can just call the Eldar down upon their heads if they try to destroy us, they'll be hesitant to try. We might use a major favor to have them wipe out the Chaos domains and the one Ork domain in 200 LY (if one honourbound favor is worth three major, and can be used for 1000 LY I don't see why a single major couldn't be used for a much smaller area with much smaller polities than the ones further out) to prove that we can do that, which would give us some breathing room, and then keep our two major favors in our pocket.

Another reason we might want to keep at least one major favor is that if Abbadon sends a Black Crusade at us at some point, being able to call on Eldar support would be extremely valuable.
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Actually that is a better idea. That is 238 worlds than up for grabs and gives us living space. Minus the necron non chaos worlds.
 
Speaking of which when will we have Lin cleanse those corrupted worlds? After we have done all of the chaos gods? Studying the abomination may help with that.
 
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Durin
1.can the eldar cleanse corrupted worlds?
1a.if so how well can they do it ?
2b.can they teach us how and what price would they ask in return ?
 
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