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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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For gods sake, we were told repeatedly why Sisters of Battle arent' a thing anymore due to them being way too supseptible to the Abomination which has lead to the sheer image of them being tainted due to them nearly all of falling. For the Ordo Dialgue it seems they are part of the non militant side but are still just as fanatical and zealous as the militant ones making them extremely vulnerable to corruption so imagine that nearly all of them fell after the Emperors death and the few that remained were likely told to ditch the SoB image and just become religious translators.
We have absolutely no reason to try to refound an order whose image is not only tainted by had nearly all of their members fall due to the organization being extremely supsepticle to corruption and even having finding SoBs would seem like they would have loyalists extremely skeptical/wary/untrusting due to how they likely had to deal with armies of SoB and being betrayed by the fallen members of their own. Hell, the Trust had to throw out a lot of things from the old Imperium including the Aquilla due to being tainted.
It also makes no sense IC since we alreay have people that can fill their roles without them being supsepticle to the Abomination in the same way a bloodthirsty berzerkser who loves to bathe in the blood of their enemies is to Khorne. The only thing they had going for them was power armor and their faith while with the former we can give PA out to most of the army and the latter is actually the main problem with them. It also makes no damn sense for the Trust to want to found and order of only women consideirng how much gender equality there is among the Trust.
Really feels like people are just whining about the Sisters of Batlle not being something that is good to have anymore. Especially all the IC reasons why they just won't work anymore. You'd think the players would learn to have more respect for the QMs decision on how to write his own quest instead of badgering him constantly just because some people don't like his decision on something.
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Indomitable Resolve: Cultural and Societal Observations on the Militarization of the Imperial Trust
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Indomitable Resolve: Cultural and Societal Observations on the Militarization of the Imperial Trust
By Junior Prefect Sven al-Nazari, Midgard Central Societal Research Institute.
Humanity has always known war; our societies over the ages have waged countless conflicts for countless causes for tens of thousands of years. Throughout this virtually infinite period of time human civilizations have reflected or otherwise incorporated warfare into our cultures and societies through militarization. When the we were once Sub-Sector Asgard of the Old Imperium we had reflected this; for Asgard it had been its tradition of Knighthood, for Vanaheim; service in the Imperial Navy, for Midgard it was to serve in the Imperial Guard. There is however one notable example that I am not immediately including into this listing; Avernus.
The Fortress-Deathworld of the Core was different in regards to militarization during the Old Imperium. For Avernites of the Helheim system, Martial service was and still is cornerstone of life itself. This can be attributed to two primary factors; the Avernus-Style or rather Cadian-Style Militia System implemented mere decades after colonization and the weight of survival. Both of which can be observed throughout the Imperial Trust. Under this Militia system as devised by the Cadian born first General of Avernus; Kenneth Drago all citizens regardless of Age, Gender or Status were to initiated into the Planetary Militia, while all children are officially inducted at the age of six, in truth their training begins at birth. Additionally all citizens would spend approximately 32 hours (or planetary equivalent) a week training or on duty within their Militia unit. The effects of this first factor were enormous; society itself was restructured radically around martial skill, teamwork, meritocratic advancement and egalitarianism. Another effect of this shift is in the growth of authoritarianism as society as society as militarized due to the vital role of hierarchy in conducting warfare. The other; the Weight of Survival permeated across all levels of Avernite society as they are fighting their Eternal War. The Weight of Survival is important because of the effects it has on creating a unified society; with a common enemy comes a common cause to unite behind. This can be observed on a large scale within the Trust as we have found ourselves besieged by Traitors, Orks and other foes.
There are several primary areas in which modern Imperial culture has be changed as a result to both of these factors; Duty Above All, The Forging, Society and Our Future. The first is The Forging, for in this context, how can one of the, if not the most defining moments of the Trust be absent when it had cemented the unity and brotherhood of the Trust, a brotherhood that would bind our worlds together and pave the way for its wide scale militarization. The Forging had taken place on three worlds. On Vanaheim Loyalist forces from Avernus had been dispatched to assist their rivals' security forces in combating a wide scale insurgency, on Jotunheim a joint Avernite and Asgardian expeditionary force had preserved Loyalist holdings while also crushing traitor forces across the planet over the course of a decade. The contributions of both worlds were significant for separate reasons; for Avernus it would help create a brotherhood between both worlds while for Asgard, a world that had during the Dark Age of Technology waged brutal after brutal if not catastrophic war against Jotunheim, set that ancient animosity aside for the sake of a greater union. Then on Midgard, the traitorous Angel of Betrayal assaulted our capital from within and without. While the Trust's then more powerful worlds may have been able to repel such an invasion on their own while less fortunate ones would have fallen, it was only through the combined efforts of the nine worlds and our nascent union that the forces of the dark gods had been destroyed. This event had been critical in not only in forging the ideals of community but in driving forward centuries and generations of fortifications and militarization as we have sought to come together against those who would do us harm especially as it had presented us with an immediate and present danger to unite behind.
Popularized as the mindset of the residents of the Capital and most of the worlds founded following The First War of Expansion, the phrase Duty Above All is part declaration, part oath and part worldview. It is to declare that one would uphold their duty to community, to their world, to their fellow humans above all others. The militia system has only given this a new barrel from which it can be unleashed. While it is not necessarily an ideal utilized by the other core worlds outright, it is nevertheless present in all Trust Worlds through the universal Militia System and through military service giving our enclave of humanity a common bonding beyond our shared belief in the New Imperial Truth. It has especially permeated throughout other aspects of daily life; military discipline and precision having become commonplace at home, in the workplace regardless of career, or even when amongst peers. Adding to this is the fact that a full tenth of our population currently serves in the Guard or the Navy and close to half having served, leaving all militiamen to know someone or several someones who are or were in the military if they themselves were not, further reinforcing the idea of Duty Above All and our martial nature.
Language; Militarization within the Imperial Trust has led to two interesting developments on the use of language. The first is the wide spread use of military or semi-military jargon in everyday life for citizens of the Trust. Phrases that define children's games such Hide the Cache, Loading Ammo or Search and Destroy refer to combat actions and military terminology while also referring to common children's games. The second development on the use of language is related to the first; the development of unofficial Battlespeak(s) within in the Trust. Everyone is taught similar terminology in their planetary militia, and its universal enough that accounting for extra worlds one such example being an ocean world having unique words to account for its unique status, nevertheless everyone in the Trust is capable of communicating through it. This is true even if the contexts of how they learned the words are completely different. In effecting become a second language of the Imperial Trust. As an aside however the Avernite variant though is quite different to the norm, as Avernites communicate more through body language and subtle motions in addition to shorter words, as well as having several different words for what on another world would just require one and lexicons of phrases that simply don't exist on other worlds.
Our Future is as it implies; our civilization's future, that is the role of our children. Like every other aspect of our society they too have been immensely affected by the Militarization. Initiated into the Militia-System during Induction Day (On Average after the Sixth birthday of the youth in question), Children enter the Junior Militia. Between sleep, militia training, and education, youths lives are centered around education and training for service. Rarely are children idle as they have so few hours in the week that they are not either resting, exercising their minds, their bodies or networking with their peers. For youths their training at first begins with games to familiarize them with military ranks, jargon while also bolstering their fitness with group activities and exercises. This extends into their general education in school as they engage in mock battles to test their teamwork and ability to cooperate. Eventually they learn Close Quarters Battle and Marksmanship before moving into vehicle training and later specialization training. Eventually however this basic and specialized training gives way to patrols and large-scale exercises and war-games, their schooling giving way to military service, civil careers or advanced education should they so chose. There is however another factor contributing to this aspect of society; the presence of the Astartes; the Varangian Guard themselves. With their presence within the Trust, an argument can be made that due to their wide recruitment base, that youths drive themselves to succeed as they aspire up to the great heroes.
These previously discussed aspects; Duty Above All, The Forging, Language and Our Future are in themselves major aspects in themselves. Yet at this same time, however, they each feed into something greater than the sum of its parts; Imperial High Culture. Each world has their individual cultures and subcultures, unique to themselves, yet at this same time there are profound universals that each of our worlds share that bind us closer than common laws. The New Imperial Truth has given us a common set of beliefs and ideals we can all agree and within good reason question, to allow us to use what was given to us but denied by the Old Imperium; our ability to think and chose and reason. The Avernite-Militia System has reinforced the ethos of duty, unity and discipline into our common society through meritocracy, egalitarianism, a sense of brotherhood, and the means by which we can work together to defend our homes and our remnant. We share common languages born out of militarism; not merely Low Gothic, but Battlespeak, which allows us to coordinate and communicate in battle efficiently while also giving Imperial citizens across all our worlds a means of bonding. Our Children; those who are the inheritors of what we have laid the foundations are intertwined in the militarization of society; as time progress naturally those who remember the time before the Great Threats rose will dwindle as the only reality they know is the one we live in now; a time in which we are besieged by traitors, the Orks or worse. For them our militarization and games that reinforce it will be the only reality that they know. Lastly is the Forging; the series of interplanetary conflicts that had made the Trust from merely an idea and into an adamantium-clad union against a hostile universe, in which failure will mean our end.
A/N: The Imperial Trust is an interesting society to look at when observed at a societal level; a massive system of militarization that has given it a means of universal employment, a way universal/egalitarian/meritocratic method of advancement that begins at childhood if not younger. Between the Planetary Militias, the New Imperial Truth, a shared history, a massive standing army (with an accompanyingly massive amount of the population likely being military veterans), and with an effective central government I'm not at all surprised at how unified it is despite the fact that it likely takes months to get from one end to the other in travel time.
So as a whole what do people think?
@Durin
Indomitable Resolve: Cultural and Societal Observations on the Militarization of the Imperial Trust
By Junior Prefect Sven al-Nazari, Midgard Central Societal Research Institute.
Humanity has always known war; our societies over the ages have waged countless conflicts for countless causes for tens of thousands of years. Throughout this virtually infinite period of time human civilizations have reflected or otherwise incorporated warfare into our cultures and societies through militarization. When the we were once Sub-Sector Asgard of the Old Imperium we had reflected this; for Asgard it had been its tradition of Knighthood, for Vanaheim; service in the Imperial Navy, for Midgard it was to serve in the Imperial Guard. There is however one notable example that I am not immediately including into this listing; Avernus.
The Fortress-Deathworld of the Core was different in regards to militarization during the Old Imperium. For Avernites of the Helheim system, Martial service was and still is cornerstone of life itself. This can be attributed to two primary factors; the Avernus-Style or rather Cadian-Style Militia System implemented mere decades after colonization and the weight of survival. Both of which can be observed throughout the Imperial Trust. Under this Militia system as devised by the Cadian born first General of Avernus; Kenneth Drago all citizens regardless of Age, Gender or Status were to initiated into the Planetary Militia, while all children are officially inducted at the age of six, in truth their training begins at birth. Additionally all citizens would spend approximately 32 hours (or planetary equivalent) a week training or on duty within their Militia unit. The effects of this first factor were enormous; society itself was restructured radically around martial skill, teamwork, meritocratic advancement and egalitarianism. Another effect of this shift is in the growth of authoritarianism as society as society as militarized due to the vital role of hierarchy in conducting warfare. The other; the Weight of Survival permeated across all levels of Avernite society as they are fighting their Eternal War. The Weight of Survival is important because of the effects it has on creating a unified society; with a common enemy comes a common cause to unite behind. This can be observed on a large scale within the Trust as we have found ourselves besieged by Traitors, Orks and other foes.
There are several primary areas in which modern Imperial culture has be changed as a result to both of these factors; Duty Above All, The Forging, Society and Our Future. The first is The Forging, for in this context, how can one of the, if not the most defining moments of the Trust be absent when it had cemented the unity and brotherhood of the Trust, a brotherhood that would bind our worlds together and pave the way for its wide scale militarization. The Forging had taken place on three worlds. On Vanaheim Loyalist forces from Avernus had been dispatched to assist their rivals' security forces in combating a wide scale insurgency, on Jotunheim a joint Avernite and Asgardian expeditionary force had preserved Loyalist holdings while also crushing traitor forces across the planet over the course of a decade. The contributions of both worlds were significant for separate reasons; for Avernus it would help create a brotherhood between both worlds while for Asgard, a world that had during the Dark Age of Technology waged brutal after brutal if not catastrophic war against Jotunheim, set that ancient animosity aside for the sake of a greater union. Then on Midgard, the traitorous Angel of Betrayal assaulted our capital from within and without. While the Trust's then more powerful worlds may have been able to repel such an invasion on their own while less fortunate ones would have fallen, it was only through the combined efforts of the nine worlds and our nascent union that the forces of the dark gods had been destroyed. This event had been critical in not only in forging the ideals of community but in driving forward centuries and generations of fortifications and militarization as we have sought to come together against those who would do us harm especially as it had presented us with an immediate and present danger to unite behind.
Popularized as the mindset of the residents of the Capital and most of the worlds founded following The First War of Expansion, the phrase Duty Above All is part declaration, part oath and part worldview. It is to declare that one would uphold their duty to community, to their world, to their fellow humans above all others. The militia system has only given this a new barrel from which it can be unleashed. While it is not necessarily an ideal utilized by the other core worlds outright, it is nevertheless present in all Trust Worlds through the universal Militia System and through military service giving our enclave of humanity a common bonding beyond our shared belief in the New Imperial Truth. It has especially permeated throughout other aspects of daily life; military discipline and precision having become commonplace at home, in the workplace regardless of career, or even when amongst peers. Adding to this is the fact that a full tenth of our population currently serves in the Guard or the Navy and close to half having served, leaving all militiamen to know someone or several someones who are or were in the military if they themselves were not, further reinforcing the idea of Duty Above All and our martial nature.
Language; Militarization within the Imperial Trust has led to two interesting developments on the use of language. The first is the wide spread use of military or semi-military jargon in everyday life for citizens of the Trust. Phrases that define children's games such Hide the Cache, Loading Ammo or Search and Destroy refer to combat actions and military terminology while also referring to common children's games. The second development on the use of language is related to the first; the development of unofficial Battlespeak(s) within in the Trust. Everyone is taught similar terminology in their planetary militia, and its universal enough that accounting for extra worlds one such example being an ocean world having unique words to account for its unique status, nevertheless everyone in the Trust is capable of communicating through it. This is true even if the contexts of how they learned the words are completely different. In effecting become a second language of the Imperial Trust. As an aside however the Avernite variant though is quite different to the norm, as Avernites communicate more through body language and subtle motions in addition to shorter words, as well as having several different words for what on another world would just require one and lexicons of phrases that simply don't exist on other worlds.
Our Future is as it implies; our civilization's future, that is the role of our children. Like every other aspect of our society they too have been immensely affected by the Militarization. Initiated into the Militia-System during Induction Day (On Average after the Sixth birthday of the youth in question), Children enter the Junior Militia. Between sleep, militia training, and education, youths lives are centered around education and training for service. Rarely are children idle as they have so few hours in the week that they are not either resting, exercising their minds, their bodies or networking with their peers. For youths their training at first begins with games to familiarize them with military ranks, jargon while also bolstering their fitness with group activities and exercises. This extends into their general education in school as they engage in mock battles to test their teamwork and ability to cooperate. Eventually they learn Close Quarters Battle and Marksmanship before moving into vehicle training and later specialization training. Eventually however this basic and specialized training gives way to patrols and large-scale exercises and war-games, their schooling giving way to military service, civil careers or advanced education should they so chose. There is however another factor contributing to this aspect of society; the presence of the Astartes; the Varangian Guard themselves. With their presence within the Trust, an argument can be made that due to their wide recruitment base, that youths drive themselves to succeed as they aspire up to the great heroes.
These previously discussed aspects; Duty Above All, The Forging, Language and Our Future are in themselves major aspects in themselves. Yet at this same time, however, they each feed into something greater than the sum of its parts; Imperial High Culture. Each world has their individual cultures and subcultures, unique to themselves, yet at this same time there are profound universals that each of our worlds share that bind us closer than common laws. The New Imperial Truth has given us a common set of beliefs and ideals we can all agree and within good reason question, to allow us to use what was given to us but denied by the Old Imperium; our ability to think and chose and reason. The Avernite-Militia System has reinforced the ethos of duty, unity and discipline into our common society through meritocracy, egalitarianism, a sense of brotherhood, and the means by which we can work together to defend our homes and our remnant. We share common languages born out of militarism; not merely Low Gothic, but Battlespeak, which allows us to coordinate and communicate in battle efficiently while also giving Imperial citizens across all our worlds a means of bonding. Our Children; those who are the inheritors of what we have laid the foundations are intertwined in the militarization of society; as time progress naturally those who remember the time before the Great Threats rose will dwindle as the only reality they know is the one we live in now; a time in which we are besieged by traitors, the Orks or worse. For them our militarization and games that reinforce it will be the only reality that they know. Lastly is the Forging; the series of interplanetary conflicts that had made the Trust from merely an idea and into an adamantium-clad union against a hostile universe, in which failure will mean our end.
A/N: The Imperial Trust is an interesting society to look at when observed at a societal level; a massive system of militarization that has given it a means of universal employment, a way universal/egalitarian/meritocratic method of advancement that begins at childhood if not younger. Between the Planetary Militias, the New Imperial Truth, a shared history, a massive standing army (with an accompanyingly massive amount of the population likely being military veterans), and with an effective central government I'm not at all surprised at how unified it is despite the fact that it likely takes months to get from one end to the other in travel time.
So as a whole what do people think?
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I may study but sociology is it not. It is a very interesting read through.
I'm not a sociologist either(Bachelors in IR) but the nature of the Trust's society has fascinated me, especially with the various large scale social engineering projects that have been done so far.
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- Australia
Yep.
Your rant had absolutely nothing to do with Outoftheinferno's question. Read questions before you answer them.
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- western US
I like the story. maybe expansion on more things in society could be done in the future.
like how often someones martial prowess comes up in their dealings with others. In theory your skill would only matter in a actual hand-to-hand fight. but we all know that the fact that someone *could* cut you down in a instant if they wanted to changes they way you deal with them, even if you know they won't. Especially since avernites respect such skills, they would likely respect the person with them even more so.
like how often someones martial prowess comes up in their dealings with others. In theory your skill would only matter in a actual hand-to-hand fight. but we all know that the fact that someone *could* cut you down in a instant if they wanted to changes they way you deal with them, even if you know they won't. Especially since avernites respect such skills, they would likely respect the person with them even more so.
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- United states
I got the impression that it was about more people constantly complaining and trying to come up with weak excuses to why we should have SoBs even though it makes no sense for anyone in the Trust to want an order that is highly supscipticle to the Abomination around and whose very image is tainted which means it makes even less sense to try to found another order of them. Especially considering that we already have people that fill their role.
Hell, the reason that the Imperium hated xenos was that supposedly they 'all' betrayed mankind. Well here most likely nearly every single sister of battle fell to chaos by way of abomination worship and considering all the hatred xenos got that lasted for literally thousands of years imagine that the very vast majority are going to be even remotely happy about the idea of SoB and this time it's actualy a very legimate reason in this case what with nearly all of them fighting for the Abomination. Having SoB around as is seems like it would likely make it harder to get along with other non corrupted humans considering that the vast majority fight for the Abomination and ended up betraying mankind.
If any somehow managed to remain uncorrupted imagine that the Trust would force any we came across to disband their order due to the mere image being tainted and just have them join up with the rest of our already existing militant church forces because the Trust is actually good when it comes to gender equality.
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- Australia
Nope. He was just asking if we had Sisters Dialogous before the Emperor died.
Also, I think you've been conflating the Sisters of Battle with the Adepta Sororitas.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
To answer your question yes we did, we brought them initially to translate the Troll's language.
One thing, you may want to tag Durin. He usually notices, but just in case.
sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
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- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
Look, as it is we have no reason to recreate the Sisters of Battle as they literally fall under the purview of our Helltroopers and Helguard. Lin has no interest in rebuilding the Frateris Militia (what I understand to be their full military), and the only reason the Hospitalers & Dialogus are still a thing is because the members of those orders which have not been corrupted are literally sub Paragon in their chosen profession. Really, the non-combat Ordos of the Adepta Sororitas are likely being rebuilt as non-segregated Offices within the church, as the whole reason they were segregated was because sexist Patriarchal bullshit.
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
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- Fólkvangr
Or again..Sword Maidens which are Durins version of the Norse Shield Maidens. A society of Noble warrior women. I'm currently in the process of reviving them with an omake. Always have to be honest.
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- United states
...You seem to be seriously missing the point. A society of Noble warrior women does not mean that they are exactly the same thing as the fanatical zelous nuns who nearly all fell to the Abomination. It's like comparing two different groups of people and saying that they are exactly the same thing becase they are both comprised solely of men.
It was repeatedly noted that the very image of them is tainted so anything even remotely related to them is likely just not going to be allowed for very obvious reasons including the political ramifications of having them around which is likely to be worse than xenos due to nearly all of them falling to chaos through Abomination worship which means that the rest of the loyalists had to deal with nearly of them turning on them which is not going to help things.
Seriously, if people want warrior women then they could just make an omake about that though since they already exist with people like the shield maidens doesn't make sense. Because honestly refounding the same group of people that literally had nearly all of them fall to the abomination and whose roles are already filled by both men and women makes no sense unless people just want warrior women.
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sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
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- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
But the Sword Maidens are not even remotely the same. They are a CLUB of women with a very specific interest in swordfighting. They are pretty much just a female-only Sword-Fighting League, not an actual military order. And they are primarily nobility with a smattering of non-noble military members. And they have never stopped being a thing, they just don't come up because they are NOT a militarized force. Warrior =/= Military, so they only wind up being mentioned when Vanaheim's culture gets brought up. Second to that, any members that are in the military are a part of whichever segment of they were recruited to (Militia, PDF, Guardsmen, Stormtroopers, and Life Guard equivalent), not a separate command structure entirely.
In Summation, Sword Maidens are Vanaheim Noble Women trained in sword (and likely shield) fighting as a matter of prestige/competition, not a military force or designation. And this has no bearing on if you write about them, but Sword Maidens are either Purple-Eyed ladies training in a Martial Art, or Soldiers who happen to spend their private life as part of a group of swordswomen.
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
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- Fólkvangr
I'm not saying they are the same at all. What I meant to imply was that we can/should build up the Sword Maidens to serve as our counter to the Sisters of Battle. One, culturally it's just kinda cool to have an all-female fighting force. Two, The abomination seems to like it's Sisters of Battles so let's show the Sisters to there new rivals, the Sword Maidens.
Again, I am working on an omake for them currently. Starting with there history and since Durin has not said a peep about there history, I am going to make my own.
They don't have to be. Again, we can, with motivation, write them to be an Order of Female fighters. If Durin is okay with it then he'll do it. Or he'll just say non-canon and we move on. But seeing all of this talk to me, gives me hope that he'll at least think about allowing them to be an Order of Female Warriors who gain recognition by the Trust Council.
Again, I am working on an omake for them currently. Starting with there history and since Durin has not said a peep about there history, I am going to make my own.
They don't have to be. Again, we can, with motivation, write them to be an Order of Female fighters. If Durin is okay with it then he'll do it. Or he'll just say non-canon and we move on. But seeing all of this talk to me, gives me hope that he'll at least think about allowing them to be an Order of Female Warriors who gain recognition by the Trust Council.
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- United states
Note, we already literally have many counters consideirng that the sisters are literally just soldiers with power armor that just serve chaos so we don't really need to have women to counter them since we have mixed units and it doesn't really make sense that only women can counter them. Especially since Avernites can pick up Jane's swordsman style which is not restricted to gender.
Also never really got the appeal of things like outright pushing for things like an all female order and talking about things like recognition from the Trust. I mean it's outright been mentioned that the Trust is equal gender opportunity and both genders are already treated equally. We have Scott who is the Fabricator General and Syr who is Rotbarts heir and one of the best generals in the trust and we have Jane who is one the deadliest swordswoman in the Trust and without a doubt the best psyker hunter.
Seems like pushing an all female order just because would actually be counter productive to gender equality since it's focusing too much on the gender which is why the Sisters of Battles were an all female order in the first place. Don't see anything wrong with something like that if it was like a club since it would make more sense to why a group only has women in it
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
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- Fólkvangr
Note: Yes we have counters to that but the Sword Maidens can be more than a counter than just a military counter. They can be women with children who are terrified for there future. They can be thinkers and philosophers instead of automatons like the Sisters of Battle. An they can also be heroes and mentors for Champions (Regimental Champions) or just inspirational figures for the average soldier.
Not everyone is an Avernite either, what about the colonists? Would they not benefit from living breathing, inspiration, Heroines? I think they would and it would add another cool tradition.
Is it better to be gender neutral? Yes, but this is also 40k and rule of cool is still in effect Red Bovine and sabreFather. For example, we have the precedent of not just bombing until it's dry of resistance because Durin said so. Why not have female fighters because the thread somewhat wants them?
At least lets have a vote I say. @Durin
I'm making a series of omakes currently about the Sword Maidens. Can/Would you allow them to be a different take of the Sisters of Battle? Not just for Vanahiem and Asgard but for all of the Nobles of the Trust who are in the core worlds but also the new colonies?
Not everyone is an Avernite either, what about the colonists? Would they not benefit from living breathing, inspiration, Heroines? I think they would and it would add another cool tradition.
Is it better to be gender neutral? Yes, but this is also 40k and rule of cool is still in effect Red Bovine and sabreFather. For example, we have the precedent of not just bombing until it's dry of resistance because Durin said so. Why not have female fighters because the thread somewhat wants them?
At least lets have a vote I say. @Durin
I'm making a series of omakes currently about the Sword Maidens. Can/Would you allow them to be a different take of the Sisters of Battle? Not just for Vanahiem and Asgard but for all of the Nobles of the Trust who are in the core worlds but also the new colonies?
sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
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- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
But our counter to Sisters of Battle are our elites and Battle Psykers. Until the Emperor's reincarnation there is no replicating them, and Avernus is the only place that would ever deploy an all female formation. Everything you are saying the Sword Maidens would be for are covered by our mass produced elites.
My argument is not that Vanaheim has Sword Maidens in its military, but that they don't serve a role any different from close combat formations aside from gender segregation. Now, that does not mean that Vanaheim doesn't have a major to massive gender skew to its melee specialist units, but Sword Maidens would be an unofficial designation for any such units that are all female. The closest you would get would be overspecialized equivalents to the Governor's Own that are exclusively female. Which really sounds more like a Battle Harem, but this is not BAHHSCQ (No SV, you are the Waifu; Original Quest), so meh. (Lost steam on my thoughts)
My argument is not that Vanaheim has Sword Maidens in its military, but that they don't serve a role any different from close combat formations aside from gender segregation. Now, that does not mean that Vanaheim doesn't have a major to massive gender skew to its melee specialist units, but Sword Maidens would be an unofficial designation for any such units that are all female. The closest you would get would be overspecialized equivalents to the Governor's Own that are exclusively female. Which really sounds more like a Battle Harem, but this is not BAHHSCQ (No SV, you are the Waifu; Original Quest), so meh. (Lost steam on my thoughts)
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
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- Fólkvangr
Also Asgard has Sword Maidens implying that both planets had to mutually accept that there women would work together in getting stronger and making connections. Possibly to avoid an Aesir-Vanir War. Lots of potential there.
ArchAIngel
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...This is 40k, where the fuck is anything about gender actually important?
Go grab a gun and die horribly, bait and tackle or fuzzy peach doesn't matter.
The reason SoB worked so well is that they had Faith. Which quite literally worked miracles. Making them generally good. Not because they had titties.
Worrying about gender is silly when the apocalypse is politely knocking every few decades.
Go grab a gun and die horribly, bait and tackle or fuzzy peach doesn't matter.
The reason SoB worked so well is that they had Faith. Which quite literally worked miracles. Making them generally good. Not because they had titties.
Worrying about gender is silly when the apocalypse is politely knocking every few decades.
Guys ple
hope is a asshole out to kill you in 40 k or use you in a plot.
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
What? I get the first part but also this is the Trust and Fan Fiction so hope is not that scary anymore Nurgle. Well, I guess, for you it might be.
Also to the thread I have an omake that needs a beta to pass it through. Any takers? Please?
Hope is Tzeench domain and hope is literally out to get you in 40 k.What? I get the first part but also this is the Trust and Fan Fiction so hope is not that scary anymore Nurgle. Well, I guess, for you it might be.
Also to the thread I have an omake that needs a beta to pass it through. Any takers? Please?