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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
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noliar said:
If it will be in the Trust's interest for them to be on Avernus then why put them on the table?
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Because we haven't yet decided where saint Lin will be when Abom crusade attacks. If we house him on Avernus, we will leave most of our troops at home, if we house him on Svartalfheim we will deploy most our troops there. Don't act like Trust leadership are either incompetent idiots or are trying to screw us over.
noliar said:
What does Avernus gain by keeping fewer PDF than Alfheim
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Avernus is much more heavily fortified and our militia (aka. every adult) is significantly more skilled than all of Alfheim's army except grenadiers. Remeber that even if we take all the official armed forces away Avernus is 23+ billions veteran stormtroopers inside some of heaviest fortifications in the galaxy.
 
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noliar said:
We can't assume that - if we make them available for long term deployment we have to plan for them being on long term term deployment when we need troops. That's what we're agreeing to. If it will be in the Trust's interest for them to be on Avernus then why put them on the table? When we plan we have to give ourselves some margin for things to go wrong, especially in military planning.
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It will show Avernus' willingness to safeguard the Trust as a whole, giving us lots of diplomatic brownie points. It also gives flexibility to the Security Council's plans.

We also can assume that. The Trust military aren't idiots, they will never leave Avernus or Saint Lin's defence undermanned.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Not quite. IIRC Durin doesn't simply work on skill levels, grenidirs will always kill more than troopers and PDF (I believe the rank above that is for things like Myrmidons and astartes). So by sending out our PDF to strengthen the main body of the trust and getting their grenedirs we all benefit.


They're not, they can work against either or, the main issue is that there's very few of them to go around.


Because Valinor doesn't have enough to beat us.

You can say I'm wrong ect. ect. but at the end of the day I don't think they have the troops, ships or otherwise to properly defeat us. You saw the smack down we made against them the first time they tried and we used even less of our forces than we intend to use now.

Unless they summon an Archangyle (which we still have a counter too...two in fact) I have confidence we could beat them with our militia, albeit with horrific casualties.

I mean hells bells man they need to use battleships as sacrificial rams to get through our shields and even then only temporarily.
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I"m pretty sure our Millta could outright destroy most of the Trusts best elites except for a certian few.
 
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Tie.
Adhoc vote count started by TotallyNotEvil on Nov 6, 2017 at 2:03 PM, finished with 588 posts and 27 votes.
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[X] Avernus is willing to deploy 9 out of 13 of its armies on extended campaign and 1 more on short term basis.

This is more because I am worried about alphas.
 
@noliar You should probably edit your vote if you want 9 to win.

@casper I just realized, your vote is legitimatelly different than the leading "9/13" option. You also might want to consider changing it.
Doomed Wombat said:
I mean hells bells man they need to use battleships as sacrificial rams to get through our shields and even then only temporarily.
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So, doesn't a battleship weight something in the order of 110 trillion metric tons? Considering it's 2km high and 11km long and a cubic metre of steel weighting 8160kg?
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
@noliar You should probably edit your vote if you want 9 to win.

@casper I just realized, your vote is legitimatelly different than the leading "9/13" option. You also might want to consider changing it.

So, doesn't a battleship weight something in the order of 110 trillion metric tons? Considering it's 2km high and 11km long and a cubic metre of steel weighting 8160kg?
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thanks for the warning about it ill change it now
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
So, doesn't a battleship weight something in the order of 110 trillion metric tons? Considering it's 2km high and 11km long and a cubic metre of steel weighting 8160kg?
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Ships are mostly hollow, not a solid steel bricks. Largest concentration of mass will be outer armor, and even that is measured "only" in tens of meters, which is tiny fraction of overall volume.
 
I know that send a 11km ship of metal is a valid tactic(if a suicide one) but, I still make me think really stupid stuff thank for all these memes like:
either I immediately think 'drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword' or ' ramming speed' or even more ridiculous stuff as 'anti- ramming speed' (to use a ship to make the other ship either miss or be destroyed in the combination of being shot, being hit and the the heat of Atmospheric entry... and if psyker of both side would use piromance in this situation)
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Yeah, but aren't imperial ships all about "hyper-dense" steel and such?
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Doomed Wombat said:
Kinda.

The Hyper dense stuff makes me think you're thinking of Battlebarges.
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Even regular ships (especially heavily armored ones likes battleships) probably use alloys significantly denser than regular steel, however it would still be used mostly for outer armor (and possibly structural supports) which makes tiny portion of ship's overall volume.
 
[X] Avernus is willing to deploy 9 out of 13 of its armies on extended campaign and 1 more on short term basis.

Do we also add a list of what's happen with us since last time? If so one of the top things we need to bring up is that we made contact with the Eldar post Awakening and got a deal for sharing major galactic event with each other with the hint of more in the future.
 
AlsoSprachOdin said:
I said it's 10% chance over 20 years. And assuming it's only trips of Chaos holy numbers, the number is 0,5% per year.
Statistically, we'll have a demonic incursion every 200 years, or every 40 turns.
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AlsoSprachOdin said:
I said it's 10% chance over 20 years. And assuming it's only trips of Chaos holy numbers, the number is 0,5% per year.
Statistically, we'll have a demonic incursion every 200 years, or every 40 turns.
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This is a common statistics mistake, one that there was a paradox named after in fact.

For events which are not mutually exclusive (ie separate rolls on a die) you can't simply add up the chances, you need to take the multiples of the inverse chance, ie rather than .005 *n take 1- (1-.005)^n, where n is the number of events.

In this case this means a 63% chance of an incursion over 200 years and a 9.5% chance over 20 years.

TBH I think we should be keeping at least half of our army off extended campaigns, ie "we offer 6 for long term engagements and up to 6 more for short term basis"- our role is as elite units to break against a main assault or lead the charge, we really shouldn't be using our elites for long term engagements.

[X]Avernus is willing to deploy 9 out of 13 of its armies on extended campaign and 1 more on short term basis.
 
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[X] Avernus is willing to deploy 9 out of13 of its armies on extended campaign and 1 more on short term basis.
 
Undead Martyr said:
For events which are not mutually exclusive (ie separate rolls on a die) you can't simply add up the chances, you need to take the multiples of the inverse chance, ie rather than .005 *n take 1- (1-.005)^n, where n is the number of events.

In this case this means a 63% chance of an incursion over 200 years and a 9.5% chance over 20 years.
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I did as you say with the latter number, except calculated the chance of it not happening N years in a row, and then subtracted that from 100. I kept saying 10% because it was rounder than 9,5.
As for the 200 years, it seems intuitively correct that if there's a 1/200 chance of something happening every year, then statistically it'll happen every 200 years. I'm not sure how that 63% chance makes that intuitive assessment wrong, as that seems pretty good odds, and there is never a 100% chance that it'll happen, only an infinite approach to 100% as we extend the timeline.
 
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Is it possible for our psyker research and development team to use what Ridicully learned about empowerment to amplify the effects of worship using all the new knowledge of runes and the Warp we have learned to improve them.

Make new prayer rituals or altars to worship at that are approved by Saint Lin.

I don't know what for. A bonus to Imperial Trust Heroes. Worship empowered daemonic warding. Bonus to public morale. etc. would be nice.
 
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Vlad said:
Is it possible for our psyker research and development team to use what Ridicully learned about empowerment to amplify the effects of worship using all the new knowledge of runes and the Warp we have learned to improve them.

Make new prayer rituals or altars to worship at that are approved by Saint Lin.

I don't know what for. A bonus to Imperial Trust Heroes. Worship empowered daemonic warding. Bonus to public morale. etc. would be nice.
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Shrug.

Maybe. We have the finish Ridcully's action and do more Lin research. And do the resonance research we've been putting off since forever.
 
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