The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

[Doomed Wombat]

We can? How long? A turn, two turns? How many upgraded kinetic ship weapons? How many chief administrators?

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ehhh Relic material isn't needed for kinetic ship weapons and I don't think giving Terminator armour to a chief admin's a good idea.

They're kinda hard to use and can actually be non beneficial if you can't, which requires a very very high level of training.

 

[Shard]

I don't think Divining the STC Construction at this time is the best idea.

Among other things (Telepathica Actions being full to back-and-then-some, ditto for Mechanicus), I think the DC to construct the STC Constructor will be prohibitive, and it'll get Dark Mechanicus on our asses like nothing else.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

I don't think Divining the STC Construction at this time is the best idea.

Among other things (Telepathica Actions being full to back-and-then-some, ditto for Mechanicus), I think the DC to construct the STC Constructor will be prohibitive, and it'll get Dark Mechanicus on our asses like nothing else.

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Mostly just bringing to attention that we can do it (which is nuts in and of itself)

For now I certainly want to get an idea of what the potential consequences of doing it are, as well as healing Ridcully first ect. ect.

On the other hand if we ever wanted a way to accelerate conversion to the progressives well... here's a way to do it.

 

[Enjou]

I'm pretty sure he means this action which doesn't have anything about it needing to be used thousands of light years away.

So greater divination: focus the STC remains recovered from storms end currently stored in Mag Mel

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I was talking about our free one, which you seemed to be asking about.

Anyways, we are nowhere near the point where we could fend off the DarkMech if we had an STC - they would send such an overwhelming force that we would stand no chance.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

I was talking about our free one, which you seemed to be asking about.

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oh Right, then no I'm not talking about that greater divination.

Anyways, we are nowhere near the point where we could fend off the DarkMech if we had an STC - they would send such an overwhelming force that we would stand no chance.

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I know

Mostly just bringing to attention that we can try to do it (which is nuts in and of itself)

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I do want to do it eventually (well I admit I do want to do it ASAP, but I'm not foolish... this time), but after we know all the consequences of doing so ect.

We could probably keep it relatively secret though, chaos knows most of what we do due to Avernus, but we keep it on the moon, so as long as only Tranth Ridcully us and Scott (as well as those that never come to Avernus) know about it we might be able to hide it for a bit.

Then there's the question of how valuable a repaired STC even is?

It wouldn't have any of the destroyed data on it after all.

It probably would have immense value to the reforms though.

 

[AlsoSprachOdin]

ehhh Relic material isn't needed for kinetic ship weapons

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You misunderstand something. I'm talking about all those years we invested in designing this armor, instead of designing upgraded ship weapons. And now we have the design, we not going to use it?

and I don't think giving Terminator armour to a chief admin's a good idea.

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Then stick 'em on the guys that don't get a lifeguard.
But do not freaking tell me that we're not going to get any use out of those years we sunk into this armor design. Do not tell me we need to wait until we have more RM to work with, because it's going to take 3 turns just to make one Cathedral to the God Emperor, turns the trust could have spent upgrading many guns, instead of just waiting to make shiny armor for a few characters that aren't actually Lin, Ridcully, or anyone we really do care enough about to spend Relic Material on.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

You misunderstand something. I'm talking about all those years we invested in designing this armor, instead of designing upgraded ship weapons. And now we have the design, we not going to use it?

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No Rotbart personally isn't commissioning a suit, but not tagging in Enjou and asking him to put it in the plan isn't going to change that.

Other people i.e. Surt, Sigurd, Inquisition agents ect. are almost certainly getting suits of their own.

But do not freaking tell me that we're not going to get any use out of those years we sunk into this armor design. Do not tell me we need to wait until we have more RM to work with, because it's going to take 3 turns just to make one Cathedral to the God Emperor, turns the trust could have spent upgrading many guns, instead of just waiting to make shiny armor for a few characters that aren't actually Lin, Ridcully, or anyone we really do care enough about to spend Relic Material on.

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ok, j'ai compris.

T'arrête un peu maintenant?

Getting irritable (or angry, hard for me to tell) isn't going to solve anything.

 

[AlsoSprachOdin]

No Rotbart personally isn't commissioning a suit, but not tagging in Enjou and asking him to put it in the plan isn't going to change that.

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I'm writing to the whole thread here, because was a lot more people than Enjou or you arguing and voting for that terminator armor over the ship weapons. And I want to know if they're fine with this too, if this was their plan or if I'm missing something.
Because investing four years of Tranth's time on the chance that a handful of characters on other planets might use this human-sized terminator armor doesn't really seem worth it, compared to four years of research that could have benefited the Trust's entire fleet.

But alright.
@Enjou
What do you think about ordering some terminator Armor for Rotbart, Ajax, Odysseus, a couple of our generals?

 

[Doomed Wombat]

I'm writing to the whole thread here, because was a lot more people than Enjou or you arguing and voting for that terminator armor over the ship weapons. And I want to know if they're fine with this too, if this was their plan or if I'm missing something.
Because investing four years of Tranth's time on the chance that a handful of characters on other planets might use this human-sized terminator armor doesn't really seem worth it, compared to four years of research that could have benefited the Trust's entire fleet.

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I'm perfectly willing to admit that with hindsight the Terminator armour wasn't the best move.

I'll admit I thought we might have a 5-10 more years before the orks turned up first, but they turned up as soon as they entered the period where they could which kinda threw my plans off.

At the same time I don't think it's been a waste of time at all, just not the most efficient use of it.

 

[AlsoSprachOdin]

I'll admit I thought we might have a 5-10 more years before the orks turned up first, but they turned up as soon as they entered the period where they could which kinda threw my plans off.

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If it's a sunk cost, lets at least find out how much.
@Durin
How much is a single human terminator armor going to cost us, in building, buying and upkeep?

 

[Doomed Wombat]

How much is a single human terminator armor going to cost us, in building, buying and upkeep?

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Astartes was about 2-4 RM, human is supposed to be significantly less so maybe 1-2?

 

[Shard]

Actually, are Transcend characters considered 'Mortal' any longer?

Does Grandmaster Primaris imply that Ridcully is more skilled than normal with other Psychic Disciplines, or is he just a User of them?

 

[HanEmpire]

[X] Plan Enjou T101

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Actually, are Transcend characters considered 'Mortal' any longer?

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Well they are ageless so I'd assume that also means they are no longer considered mortal.

Ridcully is apparently barely mortal anymore so...

Does Grandmaster Primaris imply that Ridcully is more skilled than normal with other Psychic Disciplines, or is he just a User of them?

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He's almost certainly skilled enough in their use, his long life is ensured by biomancy after all.

 

[Andres]

SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Spend Time With (Ridcully)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Jane)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Saint Lin)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Aryz)
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Spend Time With (Ridcully)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Jane)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Saint Lin)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Aryz)

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I'd like Aryz and possibly Jane to be replaced with Ophelia and/or Jacob.

SLOT A - Year 2 (Ridcully)
-Y2: Fanning the Flames
-Y3: A Contact
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
-- REPEAT IF FAILED, DD ON YEAR 5 IF NEEDED
-Y5: Wellspring of Power?
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5

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An important rule when dealing with psychic powers is that you should never ever ever ever take chances with psychic powers if you can possibly help it. I don't think we should have Ridcully use his powers until we've examined the new and unique way in which he uses them now. It's probably safe but, again, you should never take risks when it comes to the Warp unless you have to.

The major thing of course is that now we can try to reverse engineer the STC itself, if we want to try.

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Incorrect. There are two things which Ridcully can see which will guarantee he gets a point in Control if he succeeds. One of those two things is, by its very nature, something that has zero risk of Chaos corruption.

I am, of course, speaking about the Emperor's birth.

 

[guyfromtheplace1]

Incorrect. There are two things which Ridcully can see which will guarantee he gets a point in Control if he succeeds. One of those two things is, by its very nature, something that has zero risk of Chaos corruption.

I am, of course, speaking about the Emperor's birth.

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Or if that's too far back then the lighting of the Astronomicon.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Incorrect. There are two things which Ridcully can see which will guarantee he gets a point in Control if he succeeds. One of those two things is, by its very nature, something that has zero risk of Chaos corruption.

I am, of course, speaking about the Emperor's birth.

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I think you quoted the wrong thing there mate.

That's me talking about the STC, which we can now try to view and reverse engineer.

Not trying to get Ridcully an extra control point, which I'm currently not thinking about much ATM

 

[Shard]

I'd like Aryz and possibly Jane to be replaced with Ophelia and/or Jacob.

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Would second this motion. I can't really bring myself to be concerned about Aryz at all.

Also, on Discord, Durin has said that Spend Time With (Person) is more effective if we consistently spend time with the same people (Up to a limit). This is worth consideration in the current and turns.

I am, of course, speaking about the Emperor's birth.

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I must point out that this would probably require Ridcully to Divine into the Eye of Terra.

 

[Andres]

I think you quoted the wrong thing there mate.

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I did not. The Emperor's birth is the major thing, not the STC.

 

[AlsoSprachOdin]

I don't think we should have Ridcully use his powers until we've examined the new and unique way in which he uses them now. It's probably safe but, again, you should never take risks when it comes to the Warp unless you have to.

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I agree.
And besides, I think there's another very important detail we're overlooking here.

D: 8-4=4- High Grandmaster Ridcully combines few social skills with being even more strange then most psykers. As such he should never be used for anything resembling diplomacy.

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(my emphasis)
And yet we're sending this guy to make contact with probably the closest thing to the Eldar Emperor. I know he has that bonus with Eldar, but maybe send Klovis along with him?

 

[Doomed Wombat]

I did not. The Emperor's birth is the major thing, not the STC.

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okkkkkkkkkk...

I'll take that under advisement and remind you of that while he can see back tens of thousands of years, this was not only about 60,000+ years ago (which might be out of his range), it was probably something that's really hard to see and ya know the place where he'd have to look is in the Eye of Terra now...

I mean sure if @Durin gives the go a head I'm all for it, but...I still think the STC is more important as a matter of personal preference.

And yet we're sending this guy to make contact with probably the closest thing to the Eldar Emperor. I know he has that bonus with Eldar, but maybe send Klovis along with him?

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Not really.

Eldrad was always kind of a magnificent bastard, but he doesn't rule the Eldar he's just right most of the time.

And ya know he's kind of the same as Ridcully if not worse.

I'd imagine both their social skills are as bad as each other... at least I imagine it that way .

 

[Nurgle]

If we look at the STC we should wait till the defenses are sufficient ( cadia ) . Because repairing one would literally have the dark mechanics come for us. Not just the guys at atlas but the whole mechanicus.

I think we should keep spends in his time with Jane we may get lucky and both get trait increase. Or just find out how things are going with Rotbart oldest friend.

 

[guyfromtheplace1]

I don't think Divining the STC Construction at this time is the best idea.

Among other things (Telepathica Actions being full to back-and-then-some, ditto for Mechanicus), I think the DC to construct the STC Constructor will be prohibitive, and it'll get Dark Mechanicus on our asses like nothing else.

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Mostly just bringing to attention that we can do it (which is nuts in and of itself)

For now I certainly want to get an idea of what the potential consequences of doing it are, as well as healing Ridcully first ect. ect.

On the other hand if we ever wanted a way to accelerate conversion to the progressives well... here's a way to do it.

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I personally would like to divine for the network connecting the nine worlds that the Temple Cats rely on to function.
There is some suspicion that it is the World Tree of Norse myth.
And if it's a Webway alternative then Ridcully's new trait for seeing past attempts to block him out will be really useful in getting past any concealment.

In this quest I would personally hypothesize(guess wildly out my ass) that the World Tree is some kind of plant based alternative to the Webway, designed on Avernus by the Old Ones and intended to be able to repair itself and spread on its own to a greater extent than the current Webway without relying on the Old Ones or their servant races to spread it, but they never worked out all the kinks so it was never widely deployed.

I think the Emperor would be much more inclined to view the nine worlds favorably if we've somehow finished some form of the Webway project by the time he's back, aside from all the other advantages gaining access to such travel would show.

 

[Stormgear]

I personally would like to divine for the network connecting the nine worlds that the Temple Cats rely on to function.
There is some suspicion that it is the World Tree of Norse myth.
And if it's a Webway alternative then Ridcully's new trait for seeing past attempts to block him out will be really useful in getting past any concealment.

In this quest I would personally hypothesize(guess wildly out my ass) that the World Tree is some kind of plant based alternative to the Webway, designed on Avernus by the Old Ones and intended to be able to repair itself and spread on its own to a greater extent than the current Webway without relying on the Old Ones or their servant races to spread it, but they never worked out all the kinks so it was never widely deployed.

I think the Emperor would be much more inclined to view the nine worlds favorably if we've somehow finished some form of the Webway project by the time he's back, aside from all the other advantages gaining access to such travel would show.

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It'd definitely help for core world defense if we could warp around the area without having to worry about

Incorrect. There are two things which Ridcully can see which will guarantee he gets a point in Control if he succeeds. One of those two things is, by its very nature, something that has zero risk of Chaos corruption.

I am, of course, speaking about the Emperor's birth.

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[Citation Needed]

 

[Doomed Wombat]

[Citation Needed]

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Basically because Ridcully can see back multiple tens of thousands of years and isn't limited by distance + his power paragon trait he hopes we might be able to see emps birth.

To which I say... maybe.

Main problem is that Terra is now the centre of the Eye of Terra soooo we'll ask as one of our hair brained ideas.

@Andres110 want me to pose the question or you?