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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
Any suggestions?
[X] Plan True Metal Power T95
Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Thundabest Riders: Planning
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Helltrooper Power Combat Engineers
SLOT C - Year 4
-Y4: Helltrooper Jetbikes
Void Command
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Expand Shipyards: Small
--EXPEDITE YEAR 3
Administratum
Most actions are quite AM-heavy. We need to build up some reserves.
Not sure that digging under a sea full of horrors is a good idea... But on the other hand, we aren't gonna live in that tunnels. With enough precautions like good sensors, explosive charges and super-heavy blast doors, we should be able to keep whatever things lurk in the depths(except those which are able to reach our cities without tunnels anyway) away from our cities. On the plus side, invaders would have hard time with destroying those tunnels to cut islands from the rest of our forces.
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Underground Railways: Azure Islands
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Educational Review
SLOT C - Year 2
-Y2-Y5: Educational Review
Diplomacy
It seems that we don't need to buy relic material yet, it can wait until regular trade after next High Council meeting?
I think that we need to investigate relationship between Avernus and Quartok to understand how to improve it.
AM and Svartalfheim relationship can help us to understand how to justify access of non-mechanicus to higher technologies.
We need to understand Vanaheim stand in IT better, so there are also investigations of their relations with Asgard and Svartalfheim.
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Investigate Relationship(Avernus, Quartok)
--REPEAT IF FAILED
-Y2: Investigate Relationship(Svartalfheim, Adeptus Mechanicus)
--REPEAT IF FAILED
-Y3: Investigate Relationship(Svartalfheim, Vanaheim)
--REPEAT IF FAILED
-Y4: Investigate Relationship(Vanaheim, Asgard)
--REPEAT IF FAILED
-Y5: Re-examine(Freyr)
Adeptus Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y4: Motherhood
-Y5: Psyker Hunting
AdMech
Guess I've overestimated effect of upgrade on AdMech politics and underestimated danger of unrest. So no Titans yet. Explorator action is GA Nova Cannon because it's going to be very useful against space hulks and other big 'ard shooty fings.
SLOT A - Year 5 (Explorator)
-Y5: Upgrade Kinetic Weapons: Grav-Accelerator Nova Cannon
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT B - Year 4 (Biologis)
-Y4: Complete Examination (Maximal's Choice)
SLOT C - Year 1 (Free)
-Y1: Hand Off: Defences and Expansions
Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Oversee Missionaries
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Those in the Shadows
Astra Telepathica
I think that we can allow Xavier off the frontline, and use the time to start an order.
Suggestions about it's organization?
Rune Of Banishment is incredibly effective against daemons, the most dangerous asset of rogue psykers. The sooner we get it, the better.
SLOT A - Year 1 (Ridcully)
-Y1: Military Assistance
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y2: Fanning the Flames
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
-Y3: Military Assistance
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
-Y4: Fanning the Flames
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
-Y5: Spying on Gods: Gork and Mork
SLOT B - Year 1 (Xavier)
-Y1-Y4: Deploy
-Y5: Create Psyker Order(Divination, Central)
Order Of Ashes: Choirs of strong pyromancers with addition of some diviners for targeting, specializing in large-scale applications of pyromancy in siege warfare, against big and slow targets like fortresses or armies, using their powers from relative safety and prepared environment, like specifically warded fortifications or war machines, allows them to need less control at cost of lesser precision and use speed.
SLOT C - Year 1 (Tamia)
-Y1: Siren Rune of Banishment: All Psykers
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1
Personal
We should try to normalize our relationship and seek compromises with conservatives instead of keeping pushing too hard, that's why I think we should spend some time with the new governor of Vanaheim.
Also, more time with Jacob while he's still likely to get bonuses. Julius can wait for next turn.
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Jacob)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Jacob)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Jacob)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Aryz)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Governor Mikaelsson)
Total AM - 9,277,550
[X] Plan True Metal Power T95
Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Thundabest Riders: Planning
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Helltrooper Power Combat Engineers
SLOT C - Year 4
-Y4: Helltrooper Jetbikes
Void Command
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Expand Shipyards: Small
--EXPEDITE YEAR 3
Administratum
Most actions are quite AM-heavy. We need to build up some reserves.
Not sure that digging under a sea full of horrors is a good idea... But on the other hand, we aren't gonna live in that tunnels. With enough precautions like good sensors, explosive charges and super-heavy blast doors, we should be able to keep whatever things lurk in the depths(except those which are able to reach our cities without tunnels anyway) away from our cities. On the plus side, invaders would have hard time with destroying those tunnels to cut islands from the rest of our forces.
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Underground Railways: Azure Islands
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Educational Review
SLOT C - Year 2
-Y2-Y5: Educational Review
Diplomacy
It seems that we don't need to buy relic material yet, it can wait until regular trade after next High Council meeting?
I think that we need to investigate relationship between Avernus and Quartok to understand how to improve it.
AM and Svartalfheim relationship can help us to understand how to justify access of non-mechanicus to higher technologies.
We need to understand Vanaheim stand in IT better, so there are also investigations of their relations with Asgard and Svartalfheim.
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Investigate Relationship(Avernus, Quartok)
--REPEAT IF FAILED
-Y2: Investigate Relationship(Svartalfheim, Adeptus Mechanicus)
--REPEAT IF FAILED
-Y3: Investigate Relationship(Svartalfheim, Vanaheim)
--REPEAT IF FAILED
-Y4: Investigate Relationship(Vanaheim, Asgard)
--REPEAT IF FAILED
-Y5: Re-examine(Freyr)
Adeptus Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y4: Motherhood
-Y5: Psyker Hunting
AdMech
Guess I've overestimated effect of upgrade on AdMech politics and underestimated danger of unrest. So no Titans yet. Explorator action is GA Nova Cannon because it's going to be very useful against space hulks and other big 'ard shooty fings.
SLOT A - Year 5 (Explorator)
-Y5: Upgrade Kinetic Weapons: Grav-Accelerator Nova Cannon
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT B - Year 4 (Biologis)
-Y4: Complete Examination (Maximal's Choice)
SLOT C - Year 1 (Free)
-Y1: Hand Off: Defences and Expansions
Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Oversee Missionaries
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Those in the Shadows
Astra Telepathica
I think that we can allow Xavier off the frontline, and use the time to start an order.
Suggestions about it's organization?
Rune Of Banishment is incredibly effective against daemons, the most dangerous asset of rogue psykers. The sooner we get it, the better.
SLOT A - Year 1 (Ridcully)
-Y1: Military Assistance
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y2: Fanning the Flames
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
-Y3: Military Assistance
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
-Y4: Fanning the Flames
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
-Y5: Spying on Gods: Gork and Mork
SLOT B - Year 1 (Xavier)
-Y1-Y4: Deploy
-Y5: Create Psyker Order(Divination, Central)
Order Of Ashes: Choirs of strong pyromancers with addition of some diviners for targeting, specializing in large-scale applications of pyromancy in siege warfare, against big and slow targets like fortresses or armies, using their powers from relative safety and prepared environment, like specifically warded fortifications or war machines, allows them to need less control at cost of lesser precision and use speed.
SLOT C - Year 1 (Tamia)
-Y1: Siren Rune of Banishment: All Psykers
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1
Personal
We should try to normalize our relationship and seek compromises with conservatives instead of keeping pushing too hard, that's why I think we should spend some time with the new governor of Vanaheim.
Also, more time with Jacob while he's still likely to get bonuses. Julius can wait for next turn.
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Jacob)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Jacob)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Jacob)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Aryz)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Governor Mikaelsson)
Total AM - 9,277,550
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Given the malus on diplomacy with them, I'd prefer to wait for a time when we're not needing to use every double down on Ridcully's stuff to make the war go faster and the civil war in Tugozak's domain bigger.
We were told we should probably wait on this until the campaign is over.
Ridcully is the one who should be creating a Divination order, not Xavier.
We're not going to be able to spend time with either of them given we're on campaign, so it'll minimize the effect if we do. Also, the Governor of Vanaheim doesn't exactly like us, so correspondence from the front probably wouldn't be the best way to get him to.
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Aramis
An unwilling witness
- Location
- Who cares?
Wait, what's the symbol for the Trust then?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
There was one thing it was inferior and very complex Tranth has also proven Albee to adapt rounds not meant for impalers to them.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Iirc an empty throne
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. the moons belong to you the cities to the Admech, everything within a system belongs to that systems planetary governor with very few exceptions
2. they have an equvilent, far smaller scale however due to how feudel the AdMech is
3. she has no problems with the idea
go into more detail for the Order, I want at least a full sentance describing what they do if not a paragraph.
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
I think that correspondence should work fine at least with Aryz. Maybe we actually need to meet Mikaelsson personally first, but starting the dialog would show that we are ready to seek compromises.
And why do you think that we need to buy RM? It seems that we can wait until the next meeting.
Nine Stars IIRC?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
Added expedite Y3 on Attack Craft Reserves.
Added the description of Diviners Order(Suggestions?)
Changed Biologis action to Maximal's choice.
Any suggestions are welcome.
Added the description of Diviners Order(Suggestions?)
Changed Biologis action to Maximal's choice.
Any suggestions are welcome.
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
It seems that you're right. Changed it.
Also, why do you think that we need to trade with Svartalfheim now?
Well, maybe. But we still have many PDF on Avernus, probably we can start with them.
Well, the initial creation of an order is firstly an organization work, and Xavier is a much better administrator. Ridcully would be needed later to share his knowledge.
@True Metal Power
Any order needs be founded by someone who specializes in what that order does for the best possible results. You cannot mix and match actions for orders. You can have Xavier and Ridicule found a order together at the same time but you cannot just have someone come on half way through and take over.
Ridicule beeds to be the person founding a divination order. He is the best one for the job by a far margin. We cannot have Ridicule found a divination order because Ridicule has to spend half his actions inflaming the orks.
Xavier should either found a demon hunting order, warding order or being sent to the lines burning ork fortifications.
Any order needs be founded by someone who specializes in what that order does for the best possible results. You cannot mix and match actions for orders. You can have Xavier and Ridicule found a order together at the same time but you cannot just have someone come on half way through and take over.
Ridicule beeds to be the person founding a divination order. He is the best one for the job by a far margin. We cannot have Ridicule found a divination order because Ridicule has to spend half his actions inflaming the orks.
Xavier should either found a demon hunting order, warding order or being sent to the lines burning ork fortifications.
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
@Durin
1) Can you add rules about Cheating to FAQ? And about Double Downs and Expedites too, please, finding them wasn't easy?
2) Does Investigate Relationship(Group A, Avernus) give bonus to Diplomatic Relations with said group?
3) How likely are the problems if the Diviner Order creation would be overseen by Xavier instead of Ridcully?
4) To me it seems that Administration stat is more important than specialization here, is it right?
5) What are the problems we can expect if we start augmenting PDF? We have many of them on Avernus, and also we're rotating forces.
6) How much does successful upgrade of Sanctus Furorem would change balance between progressives and conservatives?
7) How reforms would change the balance?
8) How much negative effects of Unrest depend on Morale? Because IRL even heavy discrepancies don't result in civil wars if the opponents aren't desperate enough.
9) If we were to do both the reforms and upgrade, then how would the order in which we do it affect balance of the sides?
1) Can you add rules about Cheating to FAQ? And about Double Downs and Expedites too, please, finding them wasn't easy?
2) Does Investigate Relationship(Group A, Avernus) give bonus to Diplomatic Relations with said group?
3) How likely are the problems if the Diviner Order creation would be overseen by Xavier instead of Ridcully?
4) To me it seems that Administration stat is more important than specialization here, is it right?
5) What are the problems we can expect if we start augmenting PDF? We have many of them on Avernus, and also we're rotating forces.
6) How much does successful upgrade of Sanctus Furorem would change balance between progressives and conservatives?
7) How reforms would change the balance?
8) How much negative effects of Unrest depend on Morale? Because IRL even heavy discrepancies don't result in civil wars if the opponents aren't desperate enough.
9) If we were to do both the reforms and upgrade, then how would the order in which we do it affect balance of the sides?
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@Enjou
I have nothing to critizise and no reason to start working on a seperate plan. Just a few minor thing to point out to think about.
I have nothing to critizise and no reason to start working on a seperate plan. Just a few minor thing to point out to think about.
- I expect that after the campaign in turn 97 we will get the option to recrute replacements. To have a slot open first year that turn the easiest way would be to exchange the Jetbikes with the Thundabeast Riders.
This is only a possibility because a) the slot will open up in the second year neverless and b) next turn it can be resolved on a different way.- Running tally: You spend 5,093,000 AM in Military actions
- You choose to build more Defence Station because of their low AM cost. I have to point out that we have reached the number already that is advised. With more the defence might start becomeing top heavy.
@Durin Is there a problem or should other defensive installation and/or ships be first increased?
A way to sidestep the defence entirely is building small shipyards (bonus: only 1/5 the cost of the Stations). Building more is planed anyway.- Running Tally: You spend 99,200 AM in Void actions. New Total: 5,192,200
- There are really no economic choises for Admin but given Scotts reform I am against doing two expand actions. Next turn we want to invest two slots in the admech to upgrade the cities. As such would you invest 1 slot/5 actions into Educational Review and the four year slot into Economic Focus (Edwins choise)?
- Running Tally: You spend 4,740,000 AM in Admin actions. New Total: 9,932,200
- I can follow your reasoning for not doing Quartok actions. BUT! In your current plan you are not useing the year 5 DD on something critical (the armor has already a chance of 94%. Just food for thought.
- Running Tally: You spend 0 AM in Diplo actions. New Total: 9,932,200
- I am of the opinion that Jane needs 1 Hunt action per turn instead of every two turns. But that is only a sore spot I keep poking. I will not ask Durin because I already have (twice) and he ignored it. FAQ says to let the question go.
- Running Tally: You spend 0 AM in Arbites actions. New Total: 9,932,200
- Explorer choice is good. It alows us to choose next turn what to do in case the research project failed for whatever reason. That would only leave the Ace variant without stealth.
- Biologis is alright through I still don't know if we need to formally do a survey of Duat as it is not listed in the Mechanicus page.
- I stand by your choice for reformation.
- Running Tally: You spend 34,000 AM in Mechanicus actions. New Total: 9,966,200
- Nothing to add to Ministorum actions.
- Running Tally: You spend 0 AM in Ministorum actions. New Total: 9,966,200
- Ridcully have already done Fanning three times. With the two added this turn it increases to five. That is one less than half of what is needed in total in half the time avaiable. Disturbing 7 over the next 3 turn should be possible if tight to sheldule.
I would favor if Xavier would in the later half of his time start the Banishing Rune while Tamina start one of the two Resonance researches. Durin even said that the rune can be Expedited. It is just expensive.- Running Tally: You spend 1,660,000 AM in Telephatica actions. New Total: 11,626,200
- I think that meeting that often with Jacob is not needed. Would it be an option to meet with Schwarz and either Aelfric Abingdon or Gaius Julius?
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
@Enjou
I'm supportive of the plan as a whole, though I think we might want to select Investigate Relationship (Avernus, [Asgard, Vanaheim, Svartalfheim]) or even Investigate (Reputation of Vanaheim) instead?
In any case,
[X] Enjou
Oh, and you're spending a lot of turns on this. I cannot countenance this. We want to do so many other things with our Mechanicus actions while simultaneously needing to upgrade Forge Cities to Forge Hives that we simply cannot afford to waste actions. Yes, I say waste. The Upgraded Titan would have to have the Firepower of an equivalent 3 or 4 Ophelias for me to consider it 'Worth it', in terms of opportunity cost.
I'm supportive of the plan as a whole, though I think we might want to select Investigate Relationship (Avernus, [Asgard, Vanaheim, Svartalfheim]) or even Investigate (Reputation of Vanaheim) instead?
In any case,
[X] Enjou
Strongly disagree. You're spending a treasured resource (Mechanicus Unrest) to obtain slight military power. We get high-ranking beta and gamma psykers rather often, in fact to the point where they have a degree of expendability. They can well serve as replacements for Titans, even if of slight inferiority.
Oh, and you're spending a lot of turns on this. I cannot countenance this. We want to do so many other things with our Mechanicus actions while simultaneously needing to upgrade Forge Cities to Forge Hives that we simply cannot afford to waste actions. Yes, I say waste. The Upgraded Titan would have to have the Firepower of an equivalent 3 or 4 Ophelias for me to consider it 'Worth it', in terms of opportunity cost.
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
So next action after building the defence stations should be to build defense platforms, then heavy defence platforms, then defence stations again and so on. Though I agree that continuing to expand our shipyards seems like the best idea since they seem to be overworked currently.
We have no shortage of Thrones, Production, Metal, Promethium or Food currently so Economic Focus is waste, better focus on minor but parmanent increases from Education Reform.
The younger he is, the better the chance he has of getting his stats increased or getting new traits, best get couple more tries while we can.
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
Have you read my post? I do it to to prove new ways, not just for some guns on legs. Titans aren't just war machines, they are holy symbol of Omnissiah. By upgrading Sanctus Furorem we are shifting balance of power in favor of progressive faction.
AdMech politics are more than just game mechanics.
That would double them up and give them a higher chance. I am alright with that as well.
I proposed Economic fous because a few turns back we had not enough.
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
Eh, we were spending more Thrones than we were making but we have masive reserves so it's not an issue. And even if were are in real danger of running out we can always just exchange some of trade credit we have with Midgard for Thrones, it's not that they have much else that can interest us anyways.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
The problem is that 8 unrest is untenable in the long run if we want to follow Scott's plan for reforming the Admech. She already told us that things will be tight even as they are. We really should trust her on this- she has a much better perspective on how to go about getting this done.
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
But by expanding Mechanicus cities in Helheim system and building more important temples of Omnisiah in them you advance the cause of progressives as well.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
I quite frankly don't know who to support (mostly cause I parsed out both)
I will note @Shard that Titans can be world killers unupgraded.
@True Metal Power going for hand over is powerful as well since it shows the conservatives the benefit of interaction with normal humans and other liberal ideas, especially if we do it and go from expanding 1 per decade to two.
Best case scenario after we do one the campaign ends and admech stability goes down then we do the other (best bet is probably everyone getting scared from whatever info Gork and Mork give us if it shows what the new Gargants can do all the better)
Even better case scenario would be doing the titan getting nat 100 and admech stability going up cause of awesomeness.
Either way both actions are certain successes and we MIGHT get an action to reduce instability at some point in the near future.
Sorry about awkwardness ect on phone and working
I will note @Shard that Titans can be world killers unupgraded.
@True Metal Power going for hand over is powerful as well since it shows the conservatives the benefit of interaction with normal humans and other liberal ideas, especially if we do it and go from expanding 1 per decade to two.
Best case scenario after we do one the campaign ends and admech stability goes down then we do the other (best bet is probably everyone getting scared from whatever info Gork and Mork give us if it shows what the new Gargants can do all the better)
Even better case scenario would be doing the titan getting nat 100 and admech stability going up cause of awesomeness.
Either way both actions are certain successes and we MIGHT get an action to reduce instability at some point in the near future.
Sorry about awkwardness ect on phone and working