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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
So, about Mechanicus reforms. Weirdly enough, this time I'd rather side with conservatives, because as the reforms worded now, they are obviously going to slowly turn Mechanicus in underlings rather than allies.
I'd rather prefer to see that reforms a bit different, something like that:
Fabricator-General Scott has a plan to allow local secular authorities to oversee the construction and maintenance of the defences of Forge-Cities as well as the expansion of the Forge-Cities, and to allow Adeptus Mechanicus to create own subservient apparatuses of layman officials with functions of Administratum, allowing leadership of Forge Worlds to delegate some of their work on normal humans, much like how many Astartes Chapters ruled their homeworlds. While this would run into major opposition with the Adeptus Mechanicus, from those who see it as sacrificing some of the organisations autonomy, it would get some support from those who want to focus on more important matters rather then overseeing massive construction projects. Fabricator-General Scott would prefer this option as it is the only way that she can see to get her planned upgrades done by the time that the Ork Gods awaken.
Remember, we don't want to ensure our domination and centralize control over AdMech and rest of IT in our hands(Even and especially if we actually do
). Obsession with control is a way to Abomination.
And Mechanicus reduced to the same state as Ecclesiarchy is going to cause us diplomatic problems with non-corrupted humans.
I think that moons should become true Forge Worlds, with one of them becoming seat of Mechanicus. And only the mechanicus on Avernus would become our direct subordinates.
So I would rather see relationship of Avernus and Forge Moons as relationship between Terra and Mars.
TLDR: I don't think that we need to undermine their independence in-universe too much.
I'd rather prefer to see that reforms a bit different, something like that:
Fabricator-General Scott has a plan to allow local secular authorities to oversee the construction and maintenance of the defences of Forge-Cities as well as the expansion of the Forge-Cities, and to allow Adeptus Mechanicus to create own subservient apparatuses of layman officials with functions of Administratum, allowing leadership of Forge Worlds to delegate some of their work on normal humans, much like how many Astartes Chapters ruled their homeworlds. While this would run into major opposition with the Adeptus Mechanicus, from those who see it as sacrificing some of the organisations autonomy, it would get some support from those who want to focus on more important matters rather then overseeing massive construction projects. Fabricator-General Scott would prefer this option as it is the only way that she can see to get her planned upgrades done by the time that the Ork Gods awaken.
Remember, we don't want to ensure our domination and centralize control over AdMech and rest of IT in our hands(Even and especially if we actually do
). Obsession with control is a way to Abomination.And Mechanicus reduced to the same state as Ecclesiarchy is going to cause us diplomatic problems with non-corrupted humans.
I think that moons should become true Forge Worlds, with one of them becoming seat of Mechanicus. And only the mechanicus on Avernus would become our direct subordinates.
So I would rather see relationship of Avernus and Forge Moons as relationship between Terra and Mars.
TLDR: I don't think that we need to undermine their independence in-universe too much.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
So, about Mechanicus reforms. Weirdly enough, this time I'd rather side with conservatives, because as the reforms worded now, they are obviously going to slowly turn Mechanicus in underlings rather than allies.
I'd rather prefer to see that reforms a bit different, something like that:
Fabricator-General Scott has a plan to allow local secular authorities to oversee the construction and maintenance of the defences of Forge-Cities as well as the expansion of the Forge-Cities, and to allow Adeptus Mechanicus to create own subservient apparatuses of layman officials with functions of Administratum, allowing leadership of Forge Worlds to delegate some of their work on normal humans, much like how many Astartes Chapters ruled their homeworlds. While this would run into major opposition with the Adeptus Mechanicus, from those who see it as sacrificing some of the organisations autonomy, it would get some support from those who want to focus on more important matters rather then overseeing massive construction projects. Fabricator-General Scott would prefer this option as it is the only way that she can see to get her planned upgrades done by the time that the Ork Gods awaken.
Remember, we don't want to ensure our domination and centralize control over AdMech and rest of IT in our hands(Even and especially if we actually do
And Mechanicus reduced to the same state as Ecclesiarchy is going to cause us diplomatic problems with non-corrupted humans.
I think that moons should become true Forge Worlds, with one of them becoming seat of Mechanicus. And only the mechanicus on Avernus would become our direct subordinates.
So I would rather see relationship of Avernus and Forge Moons as relationship between Terra and Mars.
TLDR: I don't think that we need to undermine their independence in-universe too much.
It's not undermining their independence though. By allowing the Administratum to construct things, they're not removing their own ability to do so. If a forgemaster wants to build his own forge, then he should be allowed to do so- but otherwise, when there's a pending invasion or where danger abounds on all fronts, it's vital to be flexible. Besides, this means that we could build forges effectively twice as fast, with the Administratum building some and the Admech building others.
As long as we make sure that this openness doesn't lead to one side dominating the other, it'll be fine.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Sort of.So, about Mechanicus reforms. Weirdly enough, this time I'd rather side with conservatives, because as the reforms worded now, they are obviously going to slowly turn Mechanicus in underlings rather than allies.
I'd rather prefer to see that reforms a bit different, something like that:
Fabricator-General Scott has a plan to allow local secular authorities to oversee the construction and maintenance of the defences of Forge-Cities as well as the expansion of the Forge-Cities, and to allow Adeptus Mechanicus to create own subservient apparatuses of layman officials with functions of Administratum, allowing leadership of Forge Worlds to delegate some of their work on normal humans, much like how many Astartes Chapters ruled their homeworlds. While this would run into major opposition with the Adeptus Mechanicus, from those who see it as sacrificing some of the organisations autonomy, it would get some support from those who want to focus on more important matters rather then overseeing massive construction projects. Fabricator-General Scott would prefer this option as it is the only way that she can see to get her planned upgrades done by the time that the Ork Gods awaken.
Remember, we don't want to ensure our domination and centralize control over AdMech and rest of IT in our hands(Even and especially if we actually do
And Mechanicus reduced to the same state as Ecclesiarchy is going to cause us diplomatic problems with non-corrupted humans.
I think that moons should become true Forge Worlds, with one of them becoming seat of Mechanicus. And only the mechanicus on Avernus would become our direct subordinates.
So I would rather see relationship of Avernus and Forge Moons as relationship between Terra and Mars.
TLDR: I don't think that we need to undermine their independence in-universe too much.
We're not stopping them building their own hives we're just saying we can do it for you so you can focus on important stuff like technology and forges rather than wasting decades building the foundations for said forges.
- Location
- United states
As mentioned before but I think we should find a psyker divination order considering how damn useful divination has been for us. Might also be a really good idea incase Ridcully dies.
We kneecapped the Inquisition's autonomy back when the Trust formed.
- Location
- Germany
In comparison to their prior absolute independance of any authority save their internal lords and the Emperor, yes.
On an absolute scale they are still far too powerful for their function. An internal security and spying network doesn't need the kind of armies, assassins and hundreds of strong Psykers the Inquisition has.
True Metal Power
Lisa: The Hintful
- Location
- Russia
Then it should say ".. allow Adeptus Mechanicus to delegate construction and maintenance of the defences of Forge-Cities as well as the expansion of the Forge-Cities to local secular authorities". Currently it sounds more like it changes control of Forge Cities from AdMech to Administratum.
And I still think that they should get their own Administratum anyway rather than borrow our all the time, Edvin's already gonna need artificial liver soon with such workload.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Pretty sure that is what it says in universe. In game we know that functionally we're very unlikely to spend admech actions on it, but in universe she's not going to say now no more city building.Then it should say ".. allow Adeptus Mechanicus to delegate construction and maintenance of the defences of Forge-Cities as well as the expansion of the Forge-Cities to local secular authorities". Currently it sounds more like it changes control of Forge Cities from AdMech to Administratum.
And I still think that they should get their own Administratum anyway rather than borrow our all the time, Edvin's already gonna need artificial liver soon with such workload.
Except when it does, which in Warhammer means "every Tuesday".
- Location
- Germany
If the Inquisition needs that kind of manpower they can request it either from the Low Council or the governors.
If more than half of the Trust is so corrupted that they wouldn't help out and lend the Inquisition an army against something they have proven is a valid target we have lost anyway.
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
They still seem to really like recruiting psykers. I'd like to see what they're up to when it comes to using them productively. Do they all die when getting retrained in some kind of Inquisitorial training ground that's kept as a Blacksite or something? Are they being used for Ordo Malleus purposes of trapping Daemons and then torturing them for information?
@Durin
1. What kind of gear are the Blood Dragons Guards(wo)men packing?
2. Are they still using mostly flak jackets due to cost?
There's sensible, safe way to run things and there is Wh40k. Intelligence runs on rule o cool just as much as everything else. Situation where you need your host of battle psykers RIGHT NOW are bound to happen.
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
Remember that warp travel is slow and unpredictable and situations which would require Inquisition to deploy large forces often can't wait several weeks it would take for reinforcements to arrive, never mind the fact that any cohance for secrecy would be lost.
Also remember that Inquisition is Trust wide organization, and have to maintain presence throughout polity consisting of 18+ planets containing 350+ billions people, imagine how large inteligence apparatus of USA is, then multiply it by more than thousand times. Suddenly Inquisition forces doesn't look that big.
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- Location
- Germany
The same issue exists when the Inquisitorial troops have to come from their hidden base.
In fact requesting troops from the planet they are working on, or if that is too compromised from the nearest planet/s should be faster in most cases.
I'm not saying they shouldn't have enough troops to get a decent crew on their Stealth Cruisers, just not enough to be a risk to entire planets by themselves, as they are currently.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Not even close.
They're dangerous, but barring a massive ritual they don't have enough troops psykers or assassins to take and hold even the smallest of the nine worlds.
Never mind survive the reprisal.
At the moment the worst they can try is a decapitation strike. One that isn't likely to be effective seeing how many safeties the worlds have.
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- Location
- Germany
I didn't say they can hold anything.
But they do have Minor Psykers somewhere in the 5-digit area, hundreds of Majors to lead them, an unknown number of stormtroopers, they have exellent intel on all planetary defences and in the minds of most people still a lot of authority.
If they would try to take any planet exept Avernus, Muspelheim, Nilfheim and maybe Asgard they could propably decapitate, capture hot points, order the Militia/PDF to stand down and let the Inquisition do their job convincingly enough to at least sow a lot of doubt, possibly even be obeyed and then fullfill any objective they might have before the Trust can react.
An Inquisitor Lord who decides a Governor, or someone too close to him to expect rational action from the governor, is a Heretic should, in my opinion, have to go through a lot of investigation to present the Low Council and the Trust-General (Schwartz right now) convincing evidence, not have to decide that only he can save the Trust by doing what must be done.
And don't call that absurd, the Imperium had a lot of those guys running around and right now we can only hope the the control through peers works, not know anything about it.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
's a hell of a lot better than it used to be, and right now, we have bigger issues.
I don't think anybody in the =][= is stupid enough to muck around when we've got a potential Beast on the way.
- Location
- USA
weird turn 95 isn't threadmark?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
I do call it absurd.
At most they've a few thousand minor psykers a hundred or 2 minors none above gamma a few million storm troopers and at most let's say 10 assassin.
as for decapitation most worlds have alternate forms of government and it says in the constitution that they can't do what you are afraid of and if they do then people will know they're acting in opposition to the trust.
Finally what would they do it? If our inquisitors were nutters they'd have done something years ago and any new inquitors are hundreds of years in the future.
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- USA NYC
Speaking of the Inquestion with all the Psykers they take from Avernus. I kinda wonder if any of them have become Inquisitors themselves. As for what Ordo they joined I'm betting Malleus cause of Avernus at this point culteral hatred of Chaos
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
There are no Ordos other wise I don't think there are any new inquisitor, Klovis might have mentioned it, but what do I know.
- Location
- Germany
The last five turns alone make over 9000 Minors. And that is from those that made all tests and where fully qualified.
And while I'm reasonably certain our current three Inquisitor Lords are at least patient, I'm assuming they are already training new ones, it's a dangerous job after all. And while we can hope that those are reasonable, we won't know for a long time due to that organisations secrecy against people who should be their superiors (the Governors here).