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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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vsh said:
That's what I hope for. Also, I think that sirens soulfeeding and DA fearfeeding are related not only in effects but also in origins - that's one of those things sirens and eldar share.
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I find that unlikely, the Eldar do in fact do it for a reason (besides them being massive dicks and geedubs wanting grim dark) they do it to leach the souls of their victims because over their lifespans they are becoming more and more inflicted with the thirst, so they replenish their souls/feed the souls of their victims to slaanesh in exchange for their own.

It's got nothing to do with taste as the Eldar are not intended to eat, drink or otherwise consume souls, they just like being dicks and it draws out the soul.

The Sirens despite their similarities do not need that, they seem quite content to eat non sentient's souls, they prefer sentient because they have more of a "flavour," but are also capable of eating Daemons whole sale (they do it back in the Incursion), but its not like they haven't done it, there are trolls ect.

So I find it more likely the Sirens don't need to do anything resembling fear spicing.

And if I am wrong I have extreme reservations about teaching the Sirens that torturing people makes them taste better.
 
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I've seen multiple references to particularly old dark eldar straight up mass consuming souls, their thirst having grown so strong that merely leeching energy from slaves no longer provides satisfaction for them so its likely that the dark eldar have created means of "flavoring" souls for consumption, if only to try to stem the growing hunger in the eyes of their lords as they grow older and their needs grows.
Although I'm also going to point out that our allies in the trust are not going to look favorably on us trading with psychic aliens by selling them dark eldar soul blenders, it does not look good no matter which way you look at it.
 
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Enjou said:
It has a chance of happening, but much lower than the actual action.
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Nonetheless, it is spending actions on an automated process. Expand embassies is meant to make Diplomacy more interesting, not improve the efficiency of its most boring aspect.

Consider that all the Trust worlds have at least 8/10 opinion of Avernus. Even if there is major backlash it isn't going to have much of an impact.

We are buying one Rune that does one thing - it banishes hostile warp entities. It won't do squat against other psychic attacks.
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We don't actually know what it does yet, just what it is called. Assuming you are right however: banishing hostile warp entities is generally seen as an exceedingly valuable. Particularly for ships that need to travel through the demon infested warp.
 
nat_401 said:
I've seen multiple references to particularly old dark eldar straight up mass consuming souls, their thirst having grown so strong that merely leeching energy from slaves no longer provides satisfaction for them so its likely that the dark eldar have created means of "flavoring" souls for consumption, if only to try to stem the growing hunger in the eyes of their lords as they grow older and their needs grows.
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Unfortunetly that isn't an issue for them anymore as Yneed sheilds them from the thirst.

vsh said:
True that. Still, DA are known for decadence - maybe there is a thing or other that'll work as entertainment for Sirens too and wouldn't be immoral and dangerous both.
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Nope.

There is nothing, the entirety of Dark eldar society is decadent to the core and anything that would be used for pleasure alone probably uses the screaming souls of innocent virgins to power itself for extra grim dark.

Angelform said:
We don't actually know what it does yet, just what it is called. Assuming you are right however: banishing hostile warp entities is generally seen as an exceedingly valuable. Particularly for ships that need to travel through the demon infested warp.
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Its extremely vague.

For now lets assume Banish means tells Daemons to hop it probably weakens their hold in reality and thus makes it easier to get rid of them, but doesn't provide many passive benefits.

Worse case scenario it only works on minor daemons and nothing else.

Best case scenario its a general anti warp rune that we can scribble onto everything and when charged with power banishes most lesser daemons and warp powers, similar to the null field.

Its really good even in the worst case scenario, but lets not get too hopeful here.
 
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Angelform said:
We don't actually know what it does yet, just what it is called. Assuming you are right however: banishing hostile warp entities is generally seen as an exceedingly valuable. Particularly for ships that need to travel through the demon infested warp.
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The last update stated "From what little they have had to say this rune is entirely used against creatures that are outside of their proper realm of existence, in other words daemons." That tells us that it's only useful against daemons and the like (enslavers and whatnot should count as well), and it only works when they're out of their proper realm of existence - it won't be of much use inside the Warp, because that is their proper realm of existence.
 
Enjou said:
The last update stated "From what little they have had to say this rune is entirely used against creatures that are outside of their proper realm of existence, in other words daemons." That tells us that it's only useful against daemons and the like (enslavers and whatnot should count as well), and it only works when they're out of their proper realm of existence - it won't be of much use inside the Warp, because that is their proper realm of existence.
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that is what Klovis-Ultan thinks they are saying, the Eldar language can be rather metaphorical at the best times and the Sirens use a very ancient dialect of it
 
Alex pears said:
Unfortunetly that isn't an issue for them anymore as Yneed sheilds them from the thirst.
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Good point, totally forgot about Yneed and it's effect on the eldar. Although the lords on what is now Byzantium might have had the odd bit of tech or two for old times sake.

Thinking about it what effect on the dark eldar would it have if they haven't stopped nomming souls? if they can still eat souls and contain the energy and Yneeds protection stops this bleeding off then we could see the dark eldar lords getting a serious and growing buff.
 
nat_401 said:
Good point, totally forgot about Yneed and it's effect on the eldar. Although the lords on what is now Byzantium might have had the odd bit of tech or two for old times sake.

Thinking about it what effect on the dark eldar would it have if they haven't stopped nomming souls? if they can still eat souls and contain the energy and Yneeds protection stops this bleeding off then we could see the dark eldar lords getting a serious and growing buff.
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Who knows.

Given the DE info on what the Yinari did to them we can atleast infer that they don't like the DE.
 
thamuzz said:
They probably aren't willing to learn/speak it.
First, because it gives them an advantage in negotiations.
Second, because they are proto/parallel Eldar, and wouldn't be willing to lower themselves to our level.
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We've actually had no indication that they are like the eldar at least in terms of pride

In fact they've been quite reasonable (both from their perspective and from ours really), open to negotiations.

Obviously OC we consider their demand for cultists unreasonable, but the fact that they specified cultists indicates that they're a lot more tactful then the Eldar.

More likely they lack the vocal cords being aquatic.
 
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Since I now so little in the matter, I look at the wiki before I start to talk, but Eldar Language have a 'body Language' that they can use to 'talk' to each other, so maybe they like this for being able to talk to each other in the water without need to use powers (if they don't complete trust the other people)?

In the land the high gothic is kind of a good idea for us, but why they would like to this? is not like we are giving them a thing that they most have no matter the cost (for example if find a planet with one of the gear of the sons of the emperor or more grey knights or other things list of 'wishlist'^^).

I image that when our relation get stronger they will start to send a least one person that know how to talk the 'comum'.

hum. question, There is a interest for more 'familiar' relationships? and what happen in this case (what both parts gain or lost with this)? the ones that I fast read in the wiki are more a master/servant or master/slave kind of thing.
 
adamashield said:
hum. question, There is a interest for more 'familiar' relationships? and what happen in this case (what both parts gain or lost with this)? the ones that I fast read in the wiki are more a master/servant or master/slave kind of thing.
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I dunno if there's ever been a sentient familiar of the none chaosy varity.

We're in untreaded water here.
 
one more thing to study them^^, it will nice if this work like a choir (with obvious less power) or if they can choice who focus or shape what (like one is a better with piromancy and the the other with healing).

If this add to them (and us) we can try to start doing this is a higher number.

If we do this we definite should ask what make one of them become a 'lady', is the food? the 'bloodline'? the amount of power or focus? and how this work for their society? since the lady commands the ones with animal lvl intelligence so they probably have a 'biological' way to that (either with the mind of with some other biological way).
This is one thing that can we Truly can trade with them if we can (power I mean), if we can booster the 'lady' number or add more power to them, they will want to trade for more than just food (i think, like I said maybe food is what make a lady instead of a 'normal one').
Other stuff that probably someone had already talk is their relation with the rest of Avernus. to see if they have some predators or enemies and them we use a biological action of the mechanus to study those and give a answers to them (in a trade function) i am interesting to see how they interact with the deep ones (that probably counts as 'guardians') what they do when they 'wake up'? give them some of them on as 'food' (maybe the ones that are 'normal' are like this because of that, the deep ones eat a lot when they wake up)? or they need to other stuff?

They said that they count as people (to Avernus) and they are aware of some of the superweapons, but they live in the Ocean, so they have a vast number or they have 'contacts' or they using their power somehow (like their incredible mind-control to use in some 'birds' to discover stuff) and continuations to add knowledge to this day? So i am curious to how they now what they do^^.
 
Sentient familiars are common, sapient familiars are vanishingly rare.

Definitional quibble aside, it seems to me like familiars in this setting are highly symbiotic but still can retain a will of their own. So things like the siren familiar are unprecedented in degree but not in concept.

Side note: any ideas about what sort of familiar Ophelia should have? I'm holding out for something suitably epic, like a Tyrant Lizard or one of the sky dragons (which we know exist but haven't discovered yet).
 
Reynal said:
Side note: any ideas about what sort of familiar Ophelia should have? I'm holding out for something suitably epic, like a Tyrant Lizard or one of the sky dragons (which we know exist but haven't discovered yet).
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Why not a mountain dragon? They can't turn invisible and their fire breath doesn't have as much range, but their armour is much tougher and their breath is much hotter.
 
Enjou said:
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Sirens Trade (Agree to trade of the specified list of animals for Banish Rune)
-Y2: Diplomatic Relations (Svartalfheim)
-Y3: Re-Investigate (Muspelheim)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
-Y5: Diplomatic Relations (Vanaheim)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
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You should really change Diplomatic Relation actions to something else, with Expanded Embasies being built they are essentially a waste of now much more precious Diplomacy actions (we will have ~74% to increase the opinion of a planet from 8 to 9 an ~41% to increase it to from 8 to 10 over single turn from the automatic rolls). And if you really want to do it for some reason at least wait till the next turn when we will get +10 to relationship rolls from the embasies.
 
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