I will point out that if Rhaenyra is trying to separate herself form Daemons way of doing things asking people to die for your glory isn't a good way to do it. Daemon would be all over that idea like white on rice. I also don't see Rhaenyra as the type that would truly enjoy war in itself she'd be similar to Rhaenys in that I think. Fight when necessary but don't go looking for trouble, very similar to the fist fight she got into as a kid.
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
I will point out that if Rhaenyra is trying to separate herself form Daemons way of doing things asking people to die for your glory isn't a good way to do it. Daemon would be all over that idea like white on rice. I also don't see Rhaenyra as the type that would truly enjoy war in itself she'd be similar to Rhaenys in that I think. Fight when necessary but don't go looking for trouble, very similar to the fist fight she got into as a kid.
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As Teen Spirit said, it may be outside of Rhaenyra hand. While I agree the Rhaenyra is not the type to seek problem, Triarchy is already trouble and a slave power. Westeros have defeated them in a War not too long ago taking and controlling the most strategic Choke point for Naval Trade and Warfare in the Narrow Sea.
If we tighten anti-slavery control in Stepstones like Ironborn anti-slavery raid and disrupt the most important sector supporting their economy War will be inevitable. They'll need to go to war or perish as Slave state as suddenly slavery become highly costly.
Well that's different then starting things with them that's them poking the dragon. The Triarchy started ther shit when Visery died right? If it's the same now they may be more cautious with an heir that is a known knight unlike her father who was a know peace keeper.
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Why on GRRth would we permit the Ironborn to raid ships transiting the Stepstones, when their doing so would subvert the authority of and make extraneous work for the Velaryon patrols (who are better agents to enforce an anti-slavery crackdown in any event), when they could hardly be kept from raiding only the slave ships we want stopped but would surely cause a lot of collateral damage (including among ships who paid at the RTA office at their port of departure for the privilege of not being molested in the Stepstones, proving the bankruptcy of the RTA's writ), and when they would hardly treat their slave prizes better as thralls and salt-wives than they would have been treated at their nominal destinations?
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No they started things beforehand, nearly killed the Sea Snake. And not to belabor a point, people need to stop depending on canon because we have so radically changed things from any canon
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I mean what is the qualitative different? If we start raiding Triarchy slave ship it is also starting things with them. It is in fact an act of War. If we confiscate Triarchy slave ship that go through Stepstones that is also an act of War.
Triarchy was the one that started this. They raided Westerosi ships and enslave its people. They've poked the dragon and was expelled out. Now it is up to the Dragon to burn them or not.
That was Quetzalcoatl idea. And to be generous they meant that the slave to be freed. I was answering them while using their idea as reference. It is clear Velaryon Patrol is better to control but they probably also intent to include Ironborn so they have stake in Rhaenyra's Future reign.
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Doesn't mean you needed to give it the time of day. Because it's silly. Even with stipulations on what legitimate prize-takings look like, because they'll be impossible to enforce.
Yes definitely free the slaves, on top of how horrible it is there no need to look like the dragon lords of old with their own slaves.
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If you see the whole of my argument I was using it as reference as his example of anti-slavery control that may trigger Triarchy war. I don't directly reference it as "your idea" there as it seems unnecessarily direct and may be rude. Not personally referring something seems like the norms here.
I mean threat of dragon fire is a good big stick. There's likely to be that one asshole who will ignore those order which is when you flambé said asshole and his ship. It be helpful if it's done in front of some the other iron born.
I think that's part of the vacation with Alicent on Dragonstone. Definitely a good time to pull those out before she need to go to the convent.
It's also heavily implied that one of our Dragonstone actions should already be spoken for so we're definitely in something of a crunch between that, Law study, and a need to destress. Would sure be a shame if the queen's oncoming child was a son and rocketed up our stress here soon 😬
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Resettling people not accustomed to North-like conditions on the New Gift could seem pretty unkind to them.
Yeah...if they aren't use to such extreme weather it probably won't end well. Also the North has stories of cannibalism for a reason, that be a hell of an introduction to Westeros.
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I take "not during winter" as meaning to be like the most favorable condition like in middle of summer with greenery abound. But may be it will still be harsher than expected.
The North does get summer snows. They can be seasonal workers that might work better.
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And this part of Essos is in the same lattitude as Dorne. Still settling New Gift is an interesting prospect even. I am always curios on how to stop or at least slow Night's Watch seemingly inevitable decline.
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You don't have to do that one next turn if you don't want.
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We keep getting IC warnings that we are making enemies with our antics and it's hardly metagaming to act on them and consider how we can build a firmer support base.
If we don't actually invest time an effort into preparing for a succession struggle we keep getting warned about by various people around us, we might as well abdicate in favour of someone else.
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I will say if you want Rhaenyra to be an actual military leader when a sucession crisis hits then fighting against the Triarchy would be the best way to get actual experince in that matter. Because this is fundmentally one of those things where the best way to learn is hands on experince.
Should probably have things locked down at home before doing that if that ends up happening. The last thing Rhaenyra needs is for Visery tripping down a flight of stairs falling to his death while she's away and having someone pull an Otto.
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Okay I've seen a number of comments about how we shouldn't do anything adventorous until things back home are secure.
I need to be blunt, unless every single man with any realistic claim to the sucession is dead, things are never gonna be locked down to the extent we're talking about. Empress Matilda in Real Life had her father make the lords of England swear like seven times to respect her succession and some random ass cousin who had an older brother still managed to spark a Civil war by raising his claim against Matilda. Rhaenyra's position is never 100% going to be locked down for a variety of reasons. And like I just said, fighting the Triarchy is a way of gaining experince that could be used in a sucession crisis.
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We should probably start looking at getting some basic education in warcraft at some point in the medium term. While fighting the Triarchy will be a great way to gain actual experience in war, we do still need to do some formal training in it before trying to lead in the field. Now the question of course is where can we actually fit that into our schedule...