IIRC, Daddy told us not to make more female knights, which just means we'd either have to wait til he's dead or accept pissing him off. It might also behoove us to take incremental steps to normalizing female squires and knights by taking them from among our relatives at first (assuming they're so inclined) and passing it off as just more Targ exceptionalism until we're ready and secure enough to expand the program outside the family.
Laena would be an option since we can pass it off as institutionalizing dragonrider training along the lines of Westerosi knighthood.

Anyone raising a stink about that could just be responded to with "Oh, so you think women shouldn't be dragonriders?", which is not a very defendable position.
 
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Laena would be an option since we can pass it off as institutionalizing dragonrider training along the lines of Westerosi knighthood.
It might also be a better way to get Laena into our entourage than making her our handmaiden would be, since mentor-student may be a more justified hierarchy in the Velaryon mind than master-servant. It does, however, rely on Laena wanting to be squired, which she might or might not. We could pitch it as an adventure, but making good on that would require a bit more errantry or campaigning than we've done so far.
 
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It might also be a better way to get Laena into our entourage than making her our handmaiden would be, since mentor-student may be a more justified hierarchy in the Velaryon mind than master-servant. It does, however, rely on Laena wanting to be squired, which she might or might not. We could pitch it as an adventure, but making good on that would require a bit more errantry or campaigning than we've done so far.
To be perfectly honest, burning down the Disputed Lands so that the Triarchy doesn't pester us has so many advantages that I'm pretty set on going for it anyway. Adding Laena to the effort would massively boost the whole endeavor.
 
It might also be a better way to get Laena into our entourage than making her our handmaiden would be, since mentor-student may be a more justified hierarchy in the Velaryon mind than master-servant. It does, however, rely on Laena wanting to be squired, which she might or might not. We could pitch it as an adventure, but making good on that would require a bit more errantry or campaigning than we've done so far.

To be perfectly honest, burning down the Disputed Lands so that the Triarchy doesn't pester us has so many advantages that I'm pretty set on going for it anyway. Adding Laena to the effort would massively boost the whole endeavor.

Or perhaps, taking out the mountain clansmen of the Vale.
 
To be perfectly honest, burning down the Disputed Lands so that the Triarchy doesn't pester us has so many advantages that I'm pretty set on going for it anyway. Adding Laena to the effort would massively boost the whole endeavor.
Bring Laenor for an Aegon-Rhaenys-Visenya parallel. Leave out Rhaenys and Daemon, officially to secure the home fronts in the Crownlands and Stepstones (and Dorne behind the latter) from Triarchy retaliation, but really for the sake of the parallel. And really-really, to separate Laena and Daemon.
 
Bring Laenor for an Aegon-Rhaenys-Visenya parallel. Leave out Rhaenys and Daemon, officially to secure the home fronts in the Crownlands and Stepstones (and Dorne behind the latter) from Triarchy retaliation, but really for the sake of the parallel. And really-really, to separate Laena and Daemon.
We just need to work out ahead of time what to do with the liberated slaves. Additional peasants are always good as long as you have the land to spare, so we could probably hit up the Hightowers, Starks or Manderlys. The Vale is already strapped for space, so it's likely a bust in that regard. Though we might be able to find some room in the Crownlands. Or just ask dad to allow settlement in parts of the Kingswood, since that's his choice alone and tax paying villages are always good.

But once that's set, we can basically Sherman our way through the Disputed Lands until the Triarchy is willing to call it quits, force them to abolish slavery at dragonpoint and then leave them to it. It will take two decades at least for them to sort out the damage and they won't be ready to interfere in the Dance.
 
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We just need to work out ahead of time what to do with the liberated slaves. Additional peasants are always good as long as you have the land to spare, so we could probably hit up the Hightowers, Starks or Manderlys.
Hit up the Night's Watch. Settling a bunch of people in the New Gift to farm the land (not during winter, obvs) alleviates the Watch's short-term food problems. Then, devolve the New Gift back to its pre-Alyssane owners, on the condition that they increase and regularize their contributions to the Watch compared to current levels, given the infusion of newly-productive land.
 
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the voices in Rhaenyra's head sure do have a lot of ideas lol
i like to think of it as keeping Viserys and Otto on their toes😌
 
That all sounds like a project for after Rhaenyra is queen for a few years. Rhaenyra is already likely to have a conflict just getting her butt on the knife chair and getting the shiny hat.
 
On the contrary. Military victories are great to build public image and support and unlike our internal enemies, we don't need to wait for a civil war to break out to deal with them.

Let's be clear here. The Velaryons in charge of the Stepstones and Dorne part of Westeros is very bad for the Triarchy. If we don't neutralise them early, they will support our enemies in the civil war.
 
On the contrary. Military victories are great to build public image and support and unlike our internal enemies, we don't need to wait for a civil war to break out to deal with them.

Let's be clear here. The Velaryons in charge of the Stepstones and Dorne part of Westeros is very bad for the Triarchy. If we don't neutralise them early, they will support our enemies in the civil war.
On the one hand, yes. On the other, we do want a better pretext than "I wanna burninate all y'all to glaze my own rep;" and we also want to sow dissension among the Three Daughters so that when burninating time comes their resistance is weak and divided. Now, who do we know who's good at sowing dissention among enemies and fabricating pretexts for war. . . 🤔
 
On the one hand, yes. On the other, we do want a better pretext than "I wanna burninate all y'all to glaze my own rep;" and we also want to sow dissension among the Three Daughters so that when burninating time comes their resistance is weak and divided. Now, who do we know who's good at sowing dissention among enemies and fabricating pretexts for war. . . 🤔
I don't think we need to manufacture anything there. The second Corlys doesn't turn a blind eye towards slave trade through the Stepstones, the Triarchy can either do something or watch Tyroshs economy catch fire.

This is just a very volatile geopolitical situation right now and a decent casus belli will be easy to find.
 
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If we commit to burning down the Triarchy taking this action might be needed.
 
I don't think we need to manufacture anything there. The second Corlys doesn't turn a blind eye towards slave trade through the Stepstones, the Triarchy can either do something or watch Tyroshs economy catch fire.

This is just a very volatile geopolitical situation right now and a decent casus belli will be easy to find.
Fair enough, but for my point it doesn't matter much whether our pretext for war (call it a casus belli if you like, the sense is the same) is manufactured or provided by fortuna; we'd just like it to be better than what we have right now, which is a whim.

And we'd still prefer to fight a divided Triarchy over a united one, even with allies.

There is time to lay the groundwork; we won't be campaigning in winter, then as winter ends we'll be getting married. So we won't be ready and available to campaign til we're about nineteen.
 
Fair enough, but for my point it doesn't matter much whether our pretext for war (call it a casus belli if you like, the sense is the same) is manufactured or provided by fortuna; we'd just like it to be better than what we have right now, which is a whim.

And we'd still prefer to fight a divided Triarchy over a united one, even with allies.

There is time to lay the groundwork; we won't be campaigning in winter, then as winter ends we'll be getting married. So we won't be ready and available to campaign til we're about nineteen.
It's medieval times. It's not as if we need to move immediately after having a pretext.

How well we can divide them remains to be seen, though I don't see it as strictly necessary. Field armies matter very little when one side has dragons and the other doesn't. Our main concerns during campaign will be keeping regular scouting flights up, maintaining our baggage train and how to treat the areas we march through.
 
Supporting Runaway Slave groups and/or Maroonic communities making problem for Triarchy can be a good way to divide them. By nature of geography these communities most likely concentrated in Disputed Lands, the rich and fertile land connecting three cities of Triarchy. Additionally arming Freedmen and seizing land and wealth for them is a straightforward way to organize the land we March through.

With Disputed Lands unsafe to be traversed by the Triarchy army and Stepstones blocking their Navy, it will effectively divide Triarchy forces into the constituent city only. But this doesn't mean it'll be easy victory. Taking on Anti-slavery mantel on the back of Dragon may spook Pentos and Volantis fiercely into intervening. Bringing in Braavos and Summer Island in on this can be great way to check them making unwise move.

Setting up a Freedmen state in disputed lands and rural hinterland of Triarchy after our victory can also be a way to hobble Lys, Myr, and Tyrosh and by extension Volantis and Pentos long term. Depriving them of cheap slave-produced raw material and food they use to enrich themselves.
 
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Keeping a freedmen state alive would require the same amount of effort and resources as just taking over the Triarchy wholesale. Likely less, since it would have to deal with even more attempts to get it back under the heel of the surviving cities.

And I pitched taking over the Triarchy once already to extremely lukewarm response. Unlikely to be worth the in thread effort needed to make it work.
 
We most likely don't need to keep them alive as they can keep themself alive if enemy disarmament and wealth, arms, and land seizure are part of our march and peace treaty.

Alternatively we turn Triarchy and its constituent cities into Freedman state. We disenfranchise, disarm, and seize the wealth of Slave master and while enfranchising, enriching, and arming the Freedmen of Triarchy that have been the cog that run their Machine.

And if more support and help is needed Braavos and Summer Island are also politically incentivized to help too as fuck your to their rivals even if they are not involved in the war itself.

Taking over Triarchy is also politically and socially different thing to setting up Freedmen state. Conquering Triarchy probably involve integrating them to Westerosi Feudal structure and that may just turn Slave into Serf. Not exactly an enthusiastic prospect to many as it may involve putting down nominally-not-Slave revolt when they don't accept only nominal freedom under noble.

Anyway, Westeros being the closest Free power to most Free Cities probably have significant Free cities Freedmen and Runaway community that may extend their help to any endeavor we choose to do against Triarchy.
 
I mean we don't need to burn things to the ground. Rhaenyra can make the the iron islands privateers to attack slave ships. They can steal all their stuff with the condition that the slaves are freed and the crown get a cut of the goods acquired. It's also be a way to transition the iron islands over time to something more sustainable then straight up piracy. Which is what Yara was trying to drag her people to do.
 
Using dragon usually involve burning things to the ground and if we want the prestige of winning a war we must be involved in a war. Letting Ironborn to be anti-slave patrol is actually a great idea to spark that war.
 
I feel like war isn't something that should be in the scope of things Rhaenyra does until she's established on her throne and her heirs are at least close to Westeros age of majority. Glory in battle is all well and good but that means shit if Rhaenyra dies in it. The battle she should focus on is the inevitable conflict that will happen when she takes the throne. Because if she's physically away when that happens it's going to be that much harder to achieve being queen and then she stuck with a war on 2 fronts.
 
I feel like war isn't something that should be in the scope of things Rhaenyra does until she's established on her throne and her heirs are at least close to Westeros age of majority. Glory in battle is all well and good but that means shit if Rhaenyra dies in it. The battle she should focus on is the inevitable conflict that will happen when she takes the throne. Because if she's physically away when that happens it's going to be that much harder to achieve being queen and then she stuck with a war on 2 fronts.
This assumes that Rhaenyra will have a choice when the fighting with the Triarchy starts. Which she may, or may not. Westeros control over the Stepstones is a major problem for the Triarchy
 
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